Dost Mittar June 24, 2009
#660 Posted by malikrashid on July 2, 2009 11:49:17 am
Re: # 657
Anil
The acceptance of Pakistan army as anything but subservient to the civilian rule would amount to no change and a potential reversal to dictatorship will always loom large.
Anil
The acceptance of Pakistan army as anything but subservient to the civilian rule would amount to no change and a potential reversal to dictatorship will always loom large.
#659 Posted by malikrashid on July 2, 2009 11:48:20 am
Re: # 656
DM saheb
I intended to point at some flaws that we accomodate due to political pressure but they inherently negate the basis of a modern state by incorporating a medieval bias.
DM saheb
I intended to point at some flaws that we accomodate due to political pressure but they inherently negate the basis of a modern state by incorporating a medieval bias.
#658 Posted by anil on July 2, 2009 11:20:14 am
Re: # 634
Riaz:
"....Unfortunately, democracy has gained the status of a major western religion whose faithful followers turn a blind eye to all its faults..."
This shows bankruptcy of your vision for the future in Pakistan.
"...The democracy bigots ignore all the negative consequences of how it is practiced..."
This is your myopia, and shows how quickly to descend to name calling.
Riaz:
"....Unfortunately, democracy has gained the status of a major western religion whose faithful followers turn a blind eye to all its faults..."
This shows bankruptcy of your vision for the future in Pakistan.
"...The democracy bigots ignore all the negative consequences of how it is practiced..."
This is your myopia, and shows how quickly to descend to name calling.
#657 Posted by anil on July 2, 2009 11:14:26 am
Re: # 655
Rashid:
I am suggesting four pillars - Executive, Judiciary, Legislative and Armed forces. In case of Iran the fourth pillar is Islam through Khamenei (ayatollah). I am also suggesting that start like this, as it may allow peace and tranquility that is needed for nation building. Please do not forget democracy allows you to change the system, as nation evolves.
This musical chair in Pakistani power struggle is more harmful, no one system has gotten long enough chance to build the nation. All the ingredients to build a nation are there in Pakistan, but fractured nature of the country, and dominant nature of the army, as a combine, are the road block to build the nation. Democracy allows a way, not Army, not religion alone.
Rashid:
I am suggesting four pillars - Executive, Judiciary, Legislative and Armed forces. In case of Iran the fourth pillar is Islam through Khamenei (ayatollah). I am also suggesting that start like this, as it may allow peace and tranquility that is needed for nation building. Please do not forget democracy allows you to change the system, as nation evolves.
This musical chair in Pakistani power struggle is more harmful, no one system has gotten long enough chance to build the nation. All the ingredients to build a nation are there in Pakistan, but fractured nature of the country, and dominant nature of the army, as a combine, are the road block to build the nation. Democracy allows a way, not Army, not religion alone.
#656 Posted by dost_mittar on July 2, 2009 11:12:37 am
Maliksaab:
"These are self-defeating ideas for the growth of democracy like the muslim personal law and the hindu code in India."
You have no idea what hindu code is? Hint: there is little 'hindu' about it.
"These are self-defeating ideas for the growth of democracy like the muslim personal law and the hindu code in India."
You have no idea what hindu code is? Hint: there is little 'hindu' about it.
#655 Posted by malikrashid on July 2, 2009 10:35:33 am
Re: # 621
Anil
You are suggesting army, judiciary and legislature as three institutions of the state. It sounds self-contradictory. I acknowledge your intention of incorporating the army as a pillar of state, within a democratic system. But the example of Iran presents clergy as the final arbiter instead of the people. The role of army in Turkey signifies the importance of holding un-willing citizens and areas within the state. These are self-defeating ideas for the growth of democracy like the muslim personal law and the hindu code in India. Accomodating such faults in the foundation will give rise to a building that will not stand tall.
Respect. Peace.
Anil
You are suggesting army, judiciary and legislature as three institutions of the state. It sounds self-contradictory. I acknowledge your intention of incorporating the army as a pillar of state, within a democratic system. But the example of Iran presents clergy as the final arbiter instead of the people. The role of army in Turkey signifies the importance of holding un-willing citizens and areas within the state. These are self-defeating ideas for the growth of democracy like the muslim personal law and the hindu code in India. Accomodating such faults in the foundation will give rise to a building that will not stand tall.
Respect. Peace.
#654 Posted by RiazHaq on July 2, 2009 8:07:08 am
Re: # 653
The blog you refer to is my blog and I wrote the post you have provided the link for.
I have two blogs:
Haq's Musings: www.riazhaq.com
South Asia Investor Review: southasiainvestor.blogspot.com
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
The blog you refer to is my blog and I wrote the post you have provided the link for.
I have two blogs:
Haq's Musings: www.riazhaq.com
South Asia Investor Review: southasiainvestor.blogspot.com
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#653 Posted by boowhoo on July 2, 2009 7:57:53 am
#5 Posted by boowhoo on July 2, 2009 7:56:42 am
Re: # 4 riaz haq, we all read the blogs you cut and pasted this from
http://southasiainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/07/global-warming-impact-in-south -asia.html
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#4 Posted by RiazHaq on July 2, 2009 7:49:21 am
At 8 feet below sea level, Pakistan's financial capital Karachi shows up on the list of world's mega-cities threatened by global warming. Other South Asian cities likely to come under rising sea water in the next 100 years include Mumbai, Kolkata and Dhaka.
The rapid melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas would also cause floods followed by water scarcity that, coupled with hotter temps, could lead to crop failures and potential famines and wars.
So the global warming issue is important for Pakistan's future. But currently 40% of the Pakistani households have yet to receive electricity, and only 18% of the households that have access to pipeline gas. So Pakistanis have a long way to go in terms of generating sufficient energy for the growing population. But it's important for Pakistan to seriously pursue renewable sources such as wind and solar...especially in view of the fact that Pakistan is an exceptionally sunny country and Pakistan is fortunate to have something many other countries do not, which are high wind speeds near major centers. Near Islamabad, the wind speed is anywhere from 6.2 to 7.4 meters per second (between 13.8 and 16.5 miles per hour). Near Karachi, the range is between 6.2 and 6.9 (between 13.8 and 15.4 miles per hour).
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Re: # 4 riaz haq, we all read the blogs you cut and pasted this from
http://southasiainvestor.blogspot.com/2008/07/global-warming-impact-in-south -asia.html
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#4 Posted by RiazHaq on July 2, 2009 7:49:21 am
At 8 feet below sea level, Pakistan's financial capital Karachi shows up on the list of world's mega-cities threatened by global warming. Other South Asian cities likely to come under rising sea water in the next 100 years include Mumbai, Kolkata and Dhaka.
The rapid melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas would also cause floods followed by water scarcity that, coupled with hotter temps, could lead to crop failures and potential famines and wars.
So the global warming issue is important for Pakistan's future. But currently 40% of the Pakistani households have yet to receive electricity, and only 18% of the households that have access to pipeline gas. So Pakistanis have a long way to go in terms of generating sufficient energy for the growing population. But it's important for Pakistan to seriously pursue renewable sources such as wind and solar...especially in view of the fact that Pakistan is an exceptionally sunny country and Pakistan is fortunate to have something many other countries do not, which are high wind speeds near major centers. Near Islamabad, the wind speed is anywhere from 6.2 to 7.4 meters per second (between 13.8 and 16.5 miles per hour). Near Karachi, the range is between 6.2 and 6.9 (between 13.8 and 15.4 miles per hour).
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
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#652 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 2, 2009 7:26:38 am
Re: # 651 are you suggesting that the books were cooked during mush-e-ruff's time!
#651 Posted by RiazHaq on July 2, 2009 7:01:22 am
Re: # 635
Economic growth or decline is never just a coincidence. You can see some nations do very badly in the best of times, while others do well in the worst of times. Economies do not run on auto pilot. Policies and management do matter. Economies have to be actively managed.
Pak economy, in particular, is not globalized. Trade in Pak accounts for only 10% of its GDP, while it is 15% of GDP in India and 25% in China. So the impact of global economic crisis should not have been so huge as to cut growth to one-forth of what it was under Musharraf.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Economic growth or decline is never just a coincidence. You can see some nations do very badly in the best of times, while others do well in the worst of times. Economies do not run on auto pilot. Policies and management do matter. Economies have to be actively managed.
Pak economy, in particular, is not globalized. Trade in Pak accounts for only 10% of its GDP, while it is 15% of GDP in India and 25% in China. So the impact of global economic crisis should not have been so huge as to cut growth to one-forth of what it was under Musharraf.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#650 Posted by tahmed32 on July 2, 2009 6:37:25 am
juror: you need polls to tell you that Musharraf was the dicator who was replaced in 2008 after almost a decade of building up the taliban, not Zia?
It doesnt matter whether you worship the taliban or hate the taliban - their ass is fried anyway. The question is: when will they bring the dogfather of the taliban, musharraf, to court?
It doesnt matter whether you worship the taliban or hate the taliban - their ass is fried anyway. The question is: when will they bring the dogfather of the taliban, musharraf, to court?
#649 Posted by juror on July 2, 2009 5:29:33 am
khyber,these polls are stupid,even American Presidents don't believe in these so called polls.You are talking about Taliban,i was not,i hate taliban too.
#648 Posted by KHYBER on July 2, 2009 5:25:48 am
juror,we are not living in denial, these are facts,don't hide your head in sands and think everything is ok,r u goona deny this new poll , Pakistani Public Turns Against Taliban'' by
www.worldpublicopinion.org,i dont know what IMRAN KHAN AND QAZI HUSSAIN will think when they read that , Seventy percent say their sympathies are more with the government than with the Pakistani Taliban in the struggle over Swat. Large majorities express confidence in the government (69%) and the military (72%) to handle the situation. Retrospectively, the public leans (by 45% to 40%) toward thinking the government was right to try to make an agreement in which the Pakistani Taliban would shut down its camps and turn in its heavy weapons in return for a shari'a court system in Swat. But now 67 percent think the Pakistani Taliban violated the agreement when it sent its forces into more areas, and 63 percent think the people of Swat disapprove of the agreement.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
www.worldpublicopinion.org,i dont know what IMRAN KHAN AND QAZI HUSSAIN will think when they read that , Seventy percent say their sympathies are more with the government than with the Pakistani Taliban in the struggle over Swat. Large majorities express confidence in the government (69%) and the military (72%) to handle the situation. Retrospectively, the public leans (by 45% to 40%) toward thinking the government was right to try to make an agreement in which the Pakistani Taliban would shut down its camps and turn in its heavy weapons in return for a shari'a court system in Swat. But now 67 percent think the Pakistani Taliban violated the agreement when it sent its forces into more areas, and 63 percent think the people of Swat disapprove of the agreement.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
#647 Posted by KHYBER on July 2, 2009 5:09:19 am
Thanks tahmed,hate summer time but thank God no load shedding here...lol
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://thepathans.blogspot.com/
#645 Posted by tahmed32 on July 2, 2009 5:06:38 am
Khyber: Good morning to you my friend. Hope the week is going well for you so far.
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