A Prescription for the BJP's Revival

#627 burnt pakoray: did you wash your face this morning? your post smells of burnt oil.

Actually the Paki Army band baja and money launderers in the silicon valley can only but churn out propaganda to eulogize and support that haramkhor army!!

They would go to any extent to support the zina-ul-haq's regime of army-mullah peddling hallal stuff to the ordinary awaam while indulging in all sorts of corruption and money launderying out of kickbacks.

I would like to see the army and their bhaands in the prison for all their nefarious and corrupt deals done in the past 10 years of musharaff's rule!!

shankar: Riaz sahib is acting less like Limbaugh (who is not comparable, given his far wider audience, and also I am sure Riaz sahib doesnt do drugs), and more like one of countless Indians on chowk whose sole presence is defined by a need to ridicule Pakistanis.

I have of course tried to advise Riaz sahib not to become a Pakistani arjun or a Pakistani jay thakeray or some other kind of Indian lowlife that has infested chowk, but he doesnt listen!!

I suggest you just treat im the way I treat rats from your side of the border.

cheers.

#537 Posted by shankar

"The Indian leadership should try a little harder to improve relations with China"

Yes. It was wrong to have spoiled the relations with China. It was Nehru's folly. China promoted Pak only to spite India.

#536 Posted by KHYBER

"I hope india and pakistan work sincerely to prevent these barbarian acts both in india and pakistan,but unfortunately there are reports that indian RAW is supporting Taliban."

Steps in this direction has already been initiated by Pakistan. They have refused to hand over the named criminals to India. Also they have helped the Paki court to release the most wanted terrorist.

Cooperation my foot!

Re: # 620
I know I am talking about China's PLA as an example for Pak Army.

Like PLA, Pak Army also operates a range of civilian businesses professionally and profitably that results in significant taxes to the treasury.

The next step for Pak Army is to use their cooperation and friendship with PAL's retired officer corp who brought in the capital to run PLA-connected private businesses to contribute more to the nation than they take from the people, as PLA did.

This is not as big a leap as you imagine, if Pak govt cuts their military funding and lets them loose to bring in capital and do civilian business with the world.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 618

Khybar:

"... in countries where leaders like Iran can tell EU to quit nuclear discussions,those leaders are not from feudal class,they are not corrupt either..."

You are pointing to the correct problem, but to the wrong solution. Democracy is like "Rung laati hai hina pathar pe ghis jaane ke baad".

It will being the leaders out if they will have opportunity. Iran, and yes India in its own way are examples among several. Please do not miss my point, allow, support, create, live and improve democracy. This form of government allows citizens to do that. Military dictatorship does not.

Create Pakistani democracy.... Yes you can.

Re: # 618

Khybar:

"'' . Democracy is freedom to choose, and education is a fundamental right'' thats true but in majority of 3 rd world countries fundamental rights of citizens are denied even if there is democracy in those countries,thats why I am reapeating that '' Education is necessary for democracy ''"

There are many things that are denied in Islam but you do not give it up. Why, because it is your religion. The same applies for Pakistani democracy, you do not give it. Why, because it is your democracy. Riaz looks at America and says that is the only democracy. He looks at rail road track in Mumbai and say this not the democracy we want.

This is all balony according to me. Pakistan is capabale of having ITS very own democracy, Not Indian, Not American, just as Iranian have their democracy. You must support it. For all I care in Pakistani democracy there may be one more institution to deal with, which is army, and not just executive, judiciary and legislative. So be it.

After all Iranian democracy has added one more institution of their own - the Islam.

Putting down democracy on education or other flimsy grounds, all I can say is "uneducated" Pakistani awam voted better than Riaz & co. Riaz & Co. still lives in "Not India". They are old, their slogan has lost relevance, they have no new vision no new dream for young Pakistan. They are a failed generation and for now Riaz & Co. is bankrupt of ideas to bring a change in Pakistan. They want to bring Army back, why because India will destroy Pakistan. A very sad affair.

Riaz:

You are talking of Cheen and I am talking of Pakistan.. Please quit and understand the Pakistani cards and play with them.

Re: # 616
The PLA's budget was cut by Deng who then allowed the PLA to pursue profitable ventures and export opportunities to fund itself. Later, when PLA achieved signicant industrial growth targets generating lots of foreign exchange and tax revenues, Deng forced spin-off to private sector.
So the PLA contributed far more than it sucked in from taxpayers.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 615anil...I am not against democracy,what I am trying to say is that in 3rd world countries reforms in education are needed and education should be aggressively spread in 3rd world countries so people can elect strong and honest leaders.
'' . Democracy is freedom to choose, and education is a fundamental right'' thats true but in majority of 3 rd world countries fundamental rights of citizens are denied even if there is democracy in those countries,thats why I am reapeating that '' Education is necessary for democracy ''
secondly in countries where leaders like Iran can tell EU to quit nuclear discussions,those leaders are not from feudal class,they are not corrupt either,thats where I stress that people must be educated so they don't have to vote for corrupt leaders or those who use religion for their political interests.

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.com/

Re: # 614
Khyber,
More than education, the voters need a degree of autonomy and independence to vote freely.
Unfortunately, it is not possible when you are depedent on the goodwill of the feudal lord whose land the poor voters live on.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Regarding Education. I believe anyone who lives and has a family, want their kids to do better than themselves. A chabriwala also knows that education is the key to improve, that is why it is a right. If chabriwala is given means then he will ensure his kids get education. Afterall parents were sending their kids to Lal Masjid hoping it would be better for their kid.

Education is the right that communities should take initiative and control. In many sense that is the case in the U.S. where upto secondary education is not Federal, not State but local government matter. Local government is more like community doing it themselves. They pay local taxes to run local schools. This system has problems, where communities do not have income to pay taxes then what. But this is a good problem to have, and many try to find solutions with the help of community / corporate sponsors, state and federal support. At all time the initiative is with the community.

Therefore, I do not see education being a pre-requisite to democracy. Democracy as precursor to education so that communities are empowered to manage education. The voting by Pakistani awam destroys Riaz's dictum that without education people cannot govern themselves and hence military is needed.

He forgets, that even in the military jawans are from the poors. Generals have the power. This structure sucks about 35% of Pakistan's annual budget for 1 million strong. The rest 159 million have 65%.

He forgets if such a privileged class is created, even civilians will deliver better results.

His war drums on democracy are all humbug. Dream on and dream big, you are the destiny. Riaz is a failed generation.

Khybar:

What comes first? Education or democracy. Democracy is freedom to choose, and education is a fundamental right, that is why I even supported education at Lal Masjid.

History is a witness in Pakistan too, that Pakistani awam in the most recent election made a right choice. They were given limited choice of leaders to choose from. This weakness can only be overcome if democratic institutions are allowed to build and let others grow into leadership within.

I know, Riaz does not like me giving Indian example therefore, I will not give the example of BJP routing in recent elections there. Instead I will say look at Iran. Ahmadnejad won, some felt cheated. 10% of votes were recounted to results were confirmed and Ahmadnehjad's election was certified. Mousavi's statement was let the peacful struggle continue. Of course it must and it would till next election. That is the time to go for a change. This is democratic. Iranian mullahs behaved better than the U.S. Supreme Court, who denied Gore's petition for a limited recount. In both cases results were accepted and people moved on.

Today's news, Iran told EU to quit nuclear discussions. Why could they do it, and Saudis or Pakistani Generals are not able to do it? The answer is in democracy. Institutions feel empowered to stand up.

Re: # 613anil... yes,its true that , ''Democracy requires faith and belief and time to build institutions for the people, by the people, and of the people. It gives a voice, a hope to those who may have nothing else.''
Education is necessary for democracy,Democracy can only grow and develop when people are well educated and aware of their rights and duties. Education is a vast subject, so I can't get too much into it here but education enhances one's ability to get better work and become an informed citizen, which is important in a democracy and for peace. If people are left uneducated, they won't know too much about a possible better life. I don't see how a democracy can function adequately unless the general population has at least the ability to read to know what is going on in the government so that they can choose leaders intelligently. If the people are uneducated in the democracy, then the minority of educated people will pass laws and elect officials who promote their interest rather than interests of the general population.

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.com/

Re: # 611

Khybar:

"... Democracy requires educated citizens or voters..."

Democracy requires faith and belief and time to build institutions for the people, by the people, and of the people. It gives a voice, a hope to those who may have nothing else. It is not a panacea. Riaz's micro (build roads etc. etc.) and macro detours are nonsensical. He thinks he can dance through it, and that his dance is better than peacock's dance in the rainy season.