A Prescription for the BJP's Revival

Re: # 606

Riaz:

"...As to Pak military, I think you are simply repeating all of the allegations that are motivated by a desire to weaken Pakistan ..."

This is your lame rant to fool Pakistani awam. If their vote is counted your rant will remain a rant. Even Modis, and Thackreys know that they cannot afford to, and they must not fight Pakistan. Cost of winning, let alone cost losing is too high.

Why don't you know it?
Is it because you do not want to know it?

Re: # 606RiazHaq.....,'' Whenever Pak army is given a task, whether building weapon systems, roads, ports, disaster recovery, running schools or hospitals, or defending Pakistan's borders, they do a much better job than other institutions in Pakistan.'' I do agree on this point,Democracy requires educated citizens or voters,unfortunately in Pakistan our rate of literacy is less then 60%,if I agree with you that army general would be better then an elcted PM,it will work only if such a general is honest and don't embed with feudal corrupt politicians like Gen Mush did,out of four military Pharaohs ,GEN MUSH was welcomed by liberals,progressive minded people in pakistan but he screwed up by shaking hands with corrupt politicians like choudry brothers etc.

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.com/

Re: # 605

Tahmed sahib:

"... why this preoccupation with labelling pakistan as a "failed state"? ..."

I have not labeled this. This is what was quoted in Pakistani newspapers, and that is where I read it.

As far as I am concerned, I have always looked forward not backward. These indicators or labels do not say anything about the ability of Pakistani awam. As you know I have maintained that they voted in the fair election. They want a dream, they want to live and work to improve their life, like any other human being on this Earth.

This is the message and my bone with Riaz. He is the one who loves quoting such statistics. I merely pointed for Khybar to break from the past and have a dream and dream big. This is more important. Pakistan can do it, Twenty20 world cup is a recent example. Success of Pakistani entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley whom I know speaks no less than it speaks for Indian or Chinese entrepreneurs.

Riaz,

Perhaps your army would be admired if they did what the Pakistani awam pays it to do---WIN A WAR!!

Lick your fingers Murli...here comes a doosra..

Tahmed,

In the 2009 list, China is 57 & India is 87. Now that's a surprise!

You can get negative stuff about EVERYTHING , including God, Jesus, Mohammed etc etc.by googling the web.

Thats why Riaz amuses me. He will get data to support his bigotry, ignore or pooh pooh articles & experts who don't support his views & then believes what he says is gospel truth. I wont be surprised if many of Riaz's family members are from the military & the ISI.

I'll bet you if India was 10 on the list & Pakistan was 87; Riaz will make it a featured blog on his web page, post it on Chowk Ilogs in bold letters & repeat it in every other post.

Riaz is vying to be Pakistan's Rush Limbaugh...too bad he doesn't have a bigger audience:)

Riaz, thanks for your honest response.

I personally have no ill wishes for Pakistan. I just think that one should rather pay price in the short term to build solid foundations (democracy) to reap the rewards in the longer term.

Anyway, it's your nation and all we can do is wish you all the best.

Re: # 602
Pardesi, With respect India, I am not focusing on poverty alleviation as much as chronic hunger and millions of deaths each year resulting from it. It's much more basic than poverty.

As to Pak military, I think you are simply repeating all of the allegations that are motivated by a desire to weaken Pakistan . Army is the only meritocracy where a poor or middle class person has a chance to rise to a decent life...something the feudals do not offer to their serfs on their lands.

Army runs its organization and business far more efficiently than other institutions in Pakistan.

Whenever Pak army is given a task, whether building weapon systems, roads, ports, disaster recovery, running schools or hospitals, or defending Pakistan's borders, they do a much better job than other institutions in Pakistan, in spite of all the propaganda to the contrary.

As I explained earlier, there are three power centers in Pakistan: Feudals, clergy and military that Pakistanis have to choose from. I think the best choice is the military in the absence of any other better alternatives. And I say this as someone who has no personal or family connections with the military.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

anil sahib: why this preoccupation with labelling pakistan as a "failed state"? india is 57th on the same list (out of over 200 countries) e.g. - so you are hardly in a position to point fingers towards pakistan as if india is hunky dory where you can grandly proclaim pakistan's "failed generation" etc.! and back in the 1960's Pakistan was being held up as a model developing country while it was india that was considered to be a failure with what was jokingly called the "hindu growth rate" of 4% by international economists.

and the same list had pakistan as 34th only last year from where it jumped to 9th - and in fact during this year arguably pakistan has made a significant change for the better by calling the bluff of the taliban via the "swat deal" and turned the nation against them, thus permitting military action. So, while such lists have some merit, reality is not so simple that you can encapsulate it in such simplistic lists.

Just remove any spaces. It should work.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/06/militarys-role-in-pakistans-industrial.h tml

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/ayesha-siddiqa-s-military-inc-deflective-a nd-derogatory-book
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 601RIAZ..THOSE links are not working,please chk your message window.

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.com/

Riaz, OK let's start by agreeing with you that -

1. India has not been able to eliminate poverty as fast as it should have.
2. Chinese have done a wonderful job for common folks. we all wish we could have done that too.

Also let's forget about future of India and China. Who cares how far and what speed they move.

What are your thoughts about your country's future. Let's look at your realistic options -

1. You dont like democracy. It's slow and painful.
2. You are probably not rooting for Taliban.
3. The army - You seem to like that option. However, are they not as corrupt as any other civilian leaders? Are they not usually in bed with feudals? Dont they manipulate your finances to hog the largest portion of the pie? How are you going to fire them if they dont do what folks expect them to do? How will their record be different this time than last time?
4. I hope you are not wishing for Chinese style communist monopoly?

Just trying to see where you stand.

Thanks.

Re: # 597
It seems chowk inserts blank spaces randomly in links.

Here's a second try:

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/06/militarys-role-in-pakistans-industrial.ht ml

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/ayesha-siddiqa-s-military-inc-deflective-an d-derogatory-book
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 598

Riaz:

"...Regardless of the words you use, your mantra of democracy is motivated by your Indian brainwashing that renders you unable to see faults in any democratic system..."

If it is a mantra, then repeat after me.

LOOK TO DEMOCRACY IN IRAN...

Khybar sahib:

Please have a dream and dream as big as you can for your Pakistan. Please do not waste time reading how good the shade of occupation by army as a proof has been.

Let that feed nightmares of Riaz Haqs. Make this generation and their thinking irrelevant. Let your imagination, and not nonsense in the blogs capture your imagination. This is a failed generation that put your dream of your motherland among the top 10 failed states.

Re: # 594
Regardless of the words you use, your mantra of democracy is motivated by your Indian brainwashing that renders you unable to see faults in any democratic system.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 591
First of all, you are offering highly exaggerated picture of military businesses. Even Siddiqa Agha does not claim the kind of numbers you are talking about.

Second, military businesses are run profitably, managed professionally, compete with other businesses and pay substantial taxes, unlike the feudal lords who pay no income tax on farm income.

I suggest you read the following to educate yourself and get a more balanced picture of the reality of military businesses in Pakistan:

http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/06/militarys-role-in-pakistans-industri al.html

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/ayesha-siddiqa-s-military-inc-deflecti ve-and-derogatory-book
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide