A Prescription for the BJP's Revival

Re: # 591

Riaz:

"....WELL RIAZHAQ sahib,army had that chance,Pakistan had four military Pharaohs and what they did,I don't have to tell you..."

Riaz read the above, a young Pakistani trying to have dream is telling you. This is not from me. Now please do not try to go after him as you go after right wing hindus.

Re: # 587 anil
[...Pakistani immitators do more damage, when they look at sewer east of border to portray how beautiful they are...]

As if roads and sewers in pakiland are washed with windex everyday (thanks Sri Ram Mullah32)...

Pakis can't even copy what sewer-rat bhindoos have achieved, in terms of education, technology, corporations... let alone copy any other foreign model... Pakis like Riaz know how to burn themselves in jealousy of shining bhindia... LOL

Re: # 590

Riaz:

".... the usual rant is not going to change the reality of India's failures nor should it encourage Pakistanis (or any other people) to look to India as a model of success..."

Only in your nightmare and desperation you would think that I am saying the above. You need to check your mental age in that case.

Let me spell it out.

Look to democracy in Iran.
India is not the bar for Pakistan.
Indian sewers are Indian problems.
You are foolish to think that "Not India" is your standard.

BTW, I challenge you to quote me where I have said Pakistan should use India as an example. Get out of your nightmare, and stop listening to your own echo. I for one is not saying what you are claiming. You are already old, I cannot say that grow up. I can only say leave the stage for younger Pakistanis to create their dream and not your nightmare created by "Not India".

Riaz:

It seems you remain consumed with India. Your reason to not allow democracy in Pakistan is that it will benefit India is laughable. Your harping of problems in India is just as pathetic.

Yes, India has those problems, so what!!!

Is that a good enough reason to feel good? Is that a good enough reason to not let young Pakistanis have create, live and build a Pakistani dream?

Get over it Riaz, that nonsensical discussion may rile up right wing hindus. Its effect on me is just the opposite that Riaz is making a fool of himself. His yardstick of measure for Pakistan cannot be "Not India". His bar for Pakistani dream must not be kept lower to "Not India".

Give up your obsession about "Not India", and do something about "For Pakistan".

it did not embed..this is in shivsena raj..poor minorities have to struggle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcWhMnJ4nWQ

Pakistan army remains in firm control of businesses worth an estimated $40 billion about 10% of the economy. The Pakistani military's "welfare foundations" run thousands of businesses worth tens of billions of dollars, ranging from street-corner petrol pumps to sprawling industrial plants ,retired army officers get civilian jobs while college/uni grads remain jobless,I hate to sat this but army played ugly role in Pakistan's progress.

RIAZhAQ in his post 552 says,'' I believe military rule offers the best hope for an industrialized, educated and prosperous Pakistan that will hopefully lead to a real democracy with a mostly middle-class population. ''....WELL RIAZHAQ sahib,army had that chance,Pakistan had four military Pharaohs and what they did,I don't have to tell you.

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Re: # 585
Anil,
It seems you are blind to the deaths of millions of Indian children from starvation and disease each year while criticizing others. It is nothing but the failure of India's corrupt and poor democratic governance that makes decisive action against hunger and disease impossible.

India suffers from some of the same ills as Pakistan in terms of the conflict between the interests of the middle class which sits higher on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and the majority of urban slum dwellers and rural poor who are stuck at the bottom. It continues to be tale of two Indias...India Shining and India Starving.

You personal attacks and the usual rant is not going to change the reality of India's failures nor should it encourage Pakistanis (or any other people) to look to India as a model of success.


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 588

Dishonest nation, dishonest people. Watch what yuor fellow countrymen did. This nation can never progress.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/4od#2926306

Maulana Fazlu (the army pimp terror chief) is seriously injured....according to The Nation.

Is this just game play?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/P olitics/02-Jul-2009/Fazlullah-seriously-injured-Malik

Re: # 577

Tahmed sahib:

Yes, I too support special economic zones in Pakistan, India and elsewhere. The means chinese used, restricted labor movement, did not pay peasants who grew crops, local fuedal like mandarins collecting taxation without any payments or accountability to Bejing are just a few to mention. The list is so long, that Deng Xiao Ping is on the record to say that China cannot do it for too long.

My point is that China's system reflects its people. India's does too. And Pakistani immitators do more damage, when they look at sewer east of border to portray how beautiful they are, and how they must copy foreign model to succeed. I say to them, forget east of the border, let it have its railroads for morning delights. Just look at your west of the border and think.

Pakistanis like Riaz must understand the card they are dealt are the ones they have to play. They cannot play with Chinese cards, that is mental masturbation nothing else.

Re: # 582

Its a game of mirrors and face. India does not do it - its warts and all out there.

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Its a game of mirrors and face. India does not do it well or at all - its warts and all out there.

Re: # 578

Riaz:

You are merely spilling your disgust with zero ability to create, live in and improve a system for governance.

You do want to understand that Pakistan's history shows up in your face that no military ruler can last long enough to build a nation. There are too many fractures in that society, only fools will compare to South Korea and other East Asian and Chinese models of totalitarianism will not work in Pakistan. Accept it, and do not drool over their success with envy. You are not dealt those cards so please not be a fool to imagine and play their game. Allow those who want to build and those can emerge, it will be good for Pakistan.

You guiding principle "Pakistan Identity" = "Not India" has failed you. Your generation has failed Pakistan.

This principle blinds you, because you cannot accept there is something India has achieved, because in that case according to your guiding principle, Pakistan has become inferior at least on that count. You scrounge the world over to find negative about India, to prove according to your principle hence Pakistan is better. In your principle, anything positive in India is not possible, that it in your mind will make Pakistan look bad. With such a naive principle you only paint your hatred.

The record of military in Pakistan is so short lived that only fools will accept it as nation building.

You scrape the bottom of the barrel or inspect the sewer pipes, railroad tracks of Mumbai to put down democracy. You blindly ignore that west of your border, in Iran, there is a democracy too.

Did you have read today's news; Iran kicked EU out of nuclear discussions. What does your cherished military do? This should make you feel ashamed instead. Democracy in Iran gives a pride in identity, something oodles of wealth in autocratic Saudi Arabia, or your imagined poverty stricken Pakistan’s military cannot deliver.

You should not even use the title of “Pakistan” Alumni. Your appropriate title is “Chumcha of Pakistan Army” .

Let younger Pakistanis dream, don’t tarnish them with the nightmares you and your generation created there.

Re: # 583 what is jang

this is in shivsena raj

Re: # 581 Dost, the Chinese are exceptionally good in the game of mirrors. You always see what they want you to see. Their efficiencies are not that great, but having copied Hong Kong experience - they have started replacing the old Commies threats with capitalists threats.

Having been there a number of times, and into the hinterland, i can safely say, that you need to go beyond the surface to see what is hidden behind the below_50%_occupancy_rate steel and glass buildings.

One thing is there though - there is good education, health care - but poor sanitation outside the major cities (Beijing, Shanghai etc). beggary is increasing, and a certain basic honesty which I saw some 15 years back has disappeared over the years. When I first went there, the taxi ride from the airport in Beijing to centre was trouble free. now on a recent visit, when I tried to get a taxi myself - I found myself in a rum situation, when the hosts representative turned up and and the rest was the usual story.

Its a game of mirrors and face. India does not do it - its warts and all out there.

major#580:

Both the 'great leap forward' and 'great cultural revolution' were unnecessary and probably put the clock back on China's progress. Mao's achievements are in spite of and not because of those two traumatic episodes.