Am I a Skeptical Muslim?

Then one CANNOT compare the muslima with modern hindu Nari.

Muslimas are still under intense pressure from Allah's shariah, the mullahs and the ummah- hindu Naris do not have any such pressures to remain at home as home makers.

Re: # 173

Riaz ul Haq ji,

South India was also under muslim rule for brief period. We all remember Mohud from delhi darabar sending his goons to Melakute and other places to destroy Ranganath temples.

Hampi was under intense attack by the momeen goons.

There are still remnants of muslim genocide in Bangalore.

These infanticidal tendencies must be more prominent in poor class and have more to do with poverty than anything else. This is a similar repsonse to the extreme situation of muslim jehad against hindus. when a culture and society is under intense pressure the first victims are the weak and poor!!!

#178...
Ultrasound does not change the culture....Those from bunsiness and farming community generaly take advantage of it...Otherwise, they would have killed their daughter after birth or used their womenflok as domestic animal...Killing does not aggravate the situation...
Ultrasound technology is nothing new in India, at least 20 years old. If you study the state and central board exams of recent years, the overwhelming dominance of girls in topper list will tell the real story....they are all between 15 to 17....
The problem is there for long time, but state Govts are trying to address it...The way, I see girls enrolment in primary and secondary schools, it does not look very bleak for India...
Furthermore, most of the BJP ruled states, they have introduced so many pro girl sops ( MP, Gujrat and Karnataka), and in Bihar even the 50% of the seats in village body is reserved for women...
Only place India is realy not making progress is reservation of seats in parliament and state assemblies...Once that is implemented; states like Rajasthan,MP and UP will join the mainstream....Long way to go; but enough to sustain society.....

Re: # 176
You are missing the whole point by talking about the past when Indians didn't have access to ultrasound technology.

The reality is shifting very rapidly and it is being recognized by Indian government as well as various world bodies.

Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0II7souKPy4


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 159
Instead of overall male-female ratios, look at the child gender ratios (page 36) to see what is going on now. It paints a very different picture between India and Pakistan, showing Pakistan's more balanced male-female ratio which is consistent with the CIA World Factbook data as well.

Page 36, Figure 7

http://www.economics.pomona.edu/GarySmith/Econ190/PakistanSexRatio.pdf






Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 173
Riaz...
I am in Bangalore for last 8/9 years and know the local culture very well...
I don't need to collect data from ABC or Pak alumni?
In lot many western sites, India is now plauged by AIDS epidemic...How absurd that is I know very well...

Sorry for the bad words....

Will you mind to answer my query?
If women discrimination in India is so high and women enjoys good social and family rights in moslem countries, why their stat does not reflect that comparing India?

If you have any specific reason to state, please let everyone know....

In Banglaore, the women workforce participation in IT ( not BPO) and Research areas (Bangalore houses large number of R & D centres- IBM,HP,Intel, AMD, GE,GM, Morotola, Nokia, Samsung, Philips and NXP, Texas Instruments...) is more than 25%. In teaching job that is much higher (specialy primary education)....

I will give you some explanations...
Female infanticide is practised mostly in Bania and Farmer families of norther and western India, where anyway the girl child would have been treated like that in moslem country....Killing a girl at birth is inhuman, but using women as subhuman species and using them as domestic animal ( like many moslem countries) is far more inhuman....

Re: # 162
The cowards kill little girls because they are afraid of Muslims? That's the most convoluted explanation I have ever heard.

BTW, he is also wrong on his assertion that it's a strictly North Indian problem. It's been happening in the South as well, and it has been documented by Australian TV (see #173).
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 159
Still denying, distorting and obfuscating?
Did you note the all-important at-birth ratios?

Here are the latest statistics from the CIA's The World Factbook on male-female ratios in India, Pakistan and China:

India at birth: 1.12 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.1 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.9 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

Pakistan at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.88 male(s)/female
total population: 1.04 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

China at birth: 1.1 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.13 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.91 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

The at-birth male-female ratios in Pakistan are comparable to most of the rest of the world, including the West, but the Indian ratios are the worst in the world. In spite of China's one child policy, the ratios in China are better than India's.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2 018.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 160
Fear of Muslims?
South India doesn't have the problem?

Well, ABC Australia has produced a whole documentary to document female infanticide in Tamil Nadu. Here's a YouTube video clip from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnmtKLQRh6g

In India's southern state of Tamil Nadu, female infanticide is so frequent that all second daughters are known as 'the girl born for the burial pit'.

Desperately poor families routinely kill girl babies after birth for fear they can't afford to raise them or provide the extortionate dowry required by a groom's family. Pavati's husband killed her second daughter the day she was born. She went home to her father's house and didn't eat for a month following the death but with two other children she had to return to her tiny hut and carry on. Another baby, Hymera was luckier, brought to a safe house by her uncle despite fierce opposition from his neighbours. Now she is cared for by people who value her life. Teenage girls sit in a circle in a coconut grove discussing the strengths they will need as India's next generation of mothers. A report on the attempts of agencies, such as the Indian Council for Child Welfare, to stop infanticide through re-education, training of women and providing homes for unwanted girl babies. So far prosecuting local mothers for murder has done little more than punish the saddest victims of a social tragedy.

Produced by ABC Australia
Distributed by Journeyman Pictures


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

A rare free and frank assessment that too from a Muslim pen...congratulations.

Now what is to be done. IMHO, all muslims from top to bottom should agree for :-

1. No use of Islam for grabbing or controlling political power.
2. Military should not interfere in political Establishment.
3. Secular Islamic nations i.e. governments neither encouraging Islam nor discouraging Islam. Islam be best left to its followers and community.

Political Islam or use of Islam for political purposes should be strict No and Religous Islam should only be YES.

Re: # 141

it's Sahib.

I do not say everyone is a saint among us, there are few who always give religion a bad name.Islam is a religion of peace but like I said, few have misused it & that has hurted the image & claim of the religion, and normally when one does that everyone else suffers.

Bashir's case is no different,he misused his power and had many killed but that does not mean that "islam" told him to do so !!! that is an act of a single person, not the community. you think we should say all hindus are bad for what happend in gujrat?, no, again that was act of a few but everyone suffers,this is how it goes.

9/11, wather muslims were involved or not, that is another debate but it has hurt the image & reputation of muslims everywhere and even though alot of us condemns 9/11, we still come under the radar, cause of our association with the religion. that is why I have said that some have "kidnapped" my religion.

I say again, every religion holds within it a message of peace, but the religious hatred has grown so much that all the positive things are overlooked now a days.

peace.

tahmed ji,

I have lived in south india for quite some time and have soaked through their culture as well.

The phenomenon of female infanticide is typical of Hyryana, Punjab and all such regions which were in the direct zone of conflict with the muslim hordes.

Johur was a practice that was became in vogue in rajasthan and surroundings after the sexual slavery of the hindu queens in harams of the muslim bandits became well known.

clearly, then "purdah" of hindu women became strictly enforced during the moghul rules. In face hindu women did not wear blouses till the muslims forced them into long purdahs and ghoonghats.

Even till last century women in south never wore a stitched thing called blouse. All the denigration of female as Abrahmic sin became more pronounced with muslim rule.

I am not saying that it is all because of muslims - but muslim slavery contributed a lot more to these practices of female infanticides and sati that is still deep in the hindu psyche!

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Re: # 138
Riaz Haq...
You are not answering my question......
If female infanticide is such a big problem, how India has decent (though not enough) female population in list of high achievers?

I have given two examples
a. Koneru Hampi- World Number 2 in chess ( aged bellow 25)
b. Saina Nehwal- World Number 7 in Badminton. (aged bellow 25).

In 10th and 10+2 exams, girls outshine boys....
In Civil Services examinations,success of % of women are increasing day by day...

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/3-women-take-long-road-to-ias-top-3/ 454654/

Can you please provide women high achievers from moslem world? And theose women should be brought up in misla country, not in USA, India , UK or some civilised place..

Ahmed saab, I challenge u to produce a news of dowry burning in the last one month. Bride burning cases are very 'rare' and those case wudnt change statistics anyway, unless every household does it. Moreover dowry is not an all-India issue.