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Re: # 144
tahmed sahib, Unfortunately, the practice of female feticide is not limited to the Indians living in India. It extends to the Indian diaspora in the West.

The male-female ratios of British Indians are also getting increasingly skewed in favor of male children. Since the 1970s, the at-birth male-female ratio of British Indians has dramatically change from 103:100 to 114.4:100, excluding the birth of the first or the second child.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Sri ram mullah32 - now that we have answered that question here is another one - why does pakiland has more terrorists in a square mile than any other place in the world?...

here is the article
source:http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/features/womb- rent-surrogate-mothers-india



Womb for Rent: Surrogate Mothers in India

WebMD Feature from "Marie Claire" Magazine

By Abigail Haworth

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Customer service, tech support...these days we outsource everything to India. So why not pregnancy? Here is a report on the growing number of Indian women willing to carry an American child.

The midday sun is ferociously hot outside the Akanksha Infertility Clinic, a scuffed concrete building in the small Indian city of Anand. Crammed into a single patch of shade by the gate, a stray cow and a family of beggars — caked so uniformly in dung-colored dust they resemble clay models — wait out the noontime heat.

Hearst Maireclaire Photo of India Pregnant Bellies

Inside, the lobby is jammed with barefoot female patients in circus-bright saris. Nurses in white Indian tunics scuttle among them, hollering out names and brandishing medical files. The air smells faintly of sweat and damp cement. On the walls, blurry photos of babies and newspaper clippings celebrate the clinic's raison d'être: "The Cradle of the World" declares one headline.

In this case, the metaphor is also literal. The Akanksha clinic is at the forefront of India's booming trade in so-called reproductive tourism — foreigners coming to the country for infertility treatments such as in vitro fertilization. The clinic's main draw, however, is its success using local women to have foreigners' babies. Surrogacy costs about $12,000 in India, including all medical expenses and the surrogate's fee. In the U.S., the same procedure can cost up to $70,000.

How surrogacy came to be so popular in the choking backwater of Anand, a dairy community with a population of 150,000 in India's western state of Gujarat, is a long story. The short answer is Dr. Nayna Patel, 47, the clinic's director. A charismatic woman with flowing hair and a toothpaste-commercial smile, Patel single-handedly put Anand on the map when, in 2003, she orchestrated the surrogacy of a local woman who wanted to "lend" her womb to her U.K.-based daughter.

The woman gave birth to test-tube twins — her own genetic grandchildren — and the event made headlines worldwide. Afterward, Patel was inundated with requests for surrogacy. She now has 45 surrogate mothers on her books, mostly impoverished women from nearby villages. Twenty-seven of them are currently pregnant, and each will be paid between $5,000 and $7,000 — the equivalent to upwards of 10 years' salary for rural Indians. More than 50 babies have been born at the clinic in the past three years, half to Westerners or Indians living overseas.

Another example of third-world exploitation? Globalization gone mad? The system certainly lends itself to the criticism that foreign women unwilling or unable to pay high Western fees happily exploit poor women at a tenth of the price it would cost back home. The system also avoids the legal red tape and ill-defined surrogacy laws women face in the U.S. (Not to mention that India, unlike some developing countries, has a fairly advanced medical system and doctors who speak English.) Or is it a mutually beneficial relationship?

Re: # 145 not only that, you guys must have heard about the latest in India - womb rentals(T)

Its for real, and there are plenty of people from America, Arab countries etc going there and renting wombs. You guys are behind times in your research. It is more economic then the stuff you are talking about.

Keep with the times and upto speed, kiddos

Riaz Sahib: I guess we can call fetus killing and dowry burning as being part of the Indian School of Economics.

#142 Riaz Sahib: In other words, there is a hundred fold profit!! Same like dowry burnings where sri ram gets the dowry as return on investment.

#142

You are an ignorant close minded fool. Let me tell remind you of something. An Indian woman kicked your vaunted "martial race" army's ass so hard that half your country was liberated from people of your ilk.

It is people like you and your ilk who treat women like cattle. Who do you think you are fooling with warped "scholarship"? By running your mouth off, you have demonstrated not just to us, but your own countrymen and compadres that they have had enough of your brain farts.

Let me leave you with this thought. Indian women kick ass. Watch out for them. They have more grace and knowledge in their little finger than you will ever learn in 5 life times.

Now shoo...

Re: # 140
tahmed:
Girls are considered a burden on parents' while boys are regarded as parents' social security cards in India.

So, there has always been a bias against women in Indian society....as can be seen by the customs of suttee, abandoning of widows to fend for themselves and the occurence of female infanticide shortly after birth. In some cases the little girls born live are poisoned or strangulated while in other cases they are left to starve to death.

But I think one of the main reasons for the recent accelerated rate of female feticide is the abuse of ultrasound technology to determine the gender of the unborn.

The purveyors of the ultrasound business in every city, town and village of India entice parents by telling them to "spend 500 rupees now and save 50,000 rupees later.” The cost of the ultrasound scan is Rs. 500 and the required dowry for marrying daughters off exceeds Rs. 50,000.00.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 125 Posted by bhs75 on July 4, 2009 11:30:50 pm

bhs75 sahib/sahiba?

What many call religion, actually contains two components: one is the spiritual content, which is written in holy books, and the other component is the organization of people surrounding these holy books.

The arguments has always been between many organizations of these spiritual meanings that is being promoted, and accentuated at any given time in history.

The bigger these organizational structures are the more they have for promoting their own understood values.

Now, would it be possible for the muslim world which continues to claim that they belong to "a religion of peace" get Sudanese President Bashir arrested and have him tried for genocide in Darfur?

Riaz Sahib: Why do you think Indians kill female fetuses?

Chowk staff,

Please be careful and considerate regarding this red flagging business. For some reason, only indian interactors are being red flagged, although it appears to me that no chowk violations have been committed. You must understand that your own slogan of "unflinching idealism" is being marginalized.

Re: # 129
nkg, I usually avoid talking to extreme bigots like you but I'll make an exception this time.

Instead of looking at accomplished middle-aged Indian women, you should compare the at birth numbers as pointed out by pundit(#85) earlier. What India is doing now is killing future Indra Noyis of India.

Here are stats from the CIA world factbook

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2 018.html

India at birth: 1.12 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.1 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.9 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

Pakistan at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.88 male(s)/female
total population: 1.04 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

As pundit (#85) also said, "numbers from Pakistan are comparable to the most countries including many western countries but the Indian numbers are worst in the world".


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Rainbow: you write "DO YOU NEED RELIGION ??? Lets spread love and peace,in 2009" isnt "love and peace" religion as well? if you were to be fully rational, why would "love and peace" be so important? love and peace are clearly necessary for the survival of humans. but what are humans but merely one of thousands of species that form 1% of all species that ever lived, occupying this thin outer later we call the biosphere that covers this tiny speck of dust we call the earth that forms part of an insignificant part of the known universe?

so - like it or not, giving importance to "peace and love" makes it a religion too. since pure logic would say nothing associated with humans is worth mentioning.

#124: rainbow sahib is against all religions, not just islam. but you are welcome to exempt hinduism if you like. after all, we all know that hindus are so pious.

tahir the G man how are you saab?

RAINBOW-09 is a certified confused clown who 'is losing his religion' by repeatdely listening to REM's song with the same title.