Denial of Right of Self-Determination to Kashmirs

Interesting interesting!
ok undeniable facts..
1. Mom India was divided.. so creation of pak was a VERY TOUGH pill to swollow for the Indians! shows even today!
2. Kashmir is being held against its will by India; (read ANY 3 good books on kashmir, whether Pakistani, Indian or neutral or goto Encarta's latest Ed for a quick ref (Open-mindedness is mandatory to come to the logical conclusion)
3. India satisfied a bit of its thirst for revenge in 71 by doing what we all know it did in east pakistan (only to create ONE MORE muslim country! the advantage of which for Islam r hardly discussed but r already showing!). Actually lets accept, india just expedited the inevitable!
4. The current glory/limelight for India from the west has obvious reasons.. its enimity with China & Pak being the top 2 in that order, the 3rd & 4th being it population and of course its IT sector. and YESS thats about it !!
5. Most independent/international stats that matter to the COMMON MAN show not much diff between the 2 nations; both r almost equally bad, so not much to cheer about on either sides.. sorry!
6. What india doesnot understand is something very serious.. let me summarize it for them..
pakistan is the moderate state (moderator??) between war-torn AFGHANISTAN (that defeated USSR (somehow) and is now giving the USA a run for its money)and INDIA..!! suppose all Pak's enemies (US, India in particular) are able to divide pakistan, slice it down, so to say.. What does that bring to INDIA's doors!!?? the AFGHANIs! the pathans.. and history bears witness to what plundering these guys did for centuries as invadors of the rich india!! use ur imagination plz!
7. What Pak is going thru at present is bad govt and what i would call a bad show on the diplomatic front.
8. In my view, India is the biggest problem for pakistan today (as always!?)
No 1 :- Clear violation of the Indus Water Treaty (construction of Baghlihar dam on pak's share (Chenab river) cutting down the flow to Pak from 55mn csc to 19.5 and now almost 9! that would dry up considerable parts of pak and would definitely result in a war if continued/enhanced
No 2 :- Clear infiltration of RAW in Baluchistan. (Undeniable proofs of the same can be had from the internet even)
No 3 :- Negative media campaign against pak.
CONCL : Keep doing what u r doing, sir,.. i dont stop my enemy if its busy drilling a hole in its own boat!!

this was about to happen via the taliban......luckily for them, unlike before, the punjabis stopped them.......i think it is time for the punjabis to let them through, straight to panipat.

Vaise we have heard about brave Hindu Punjabis like Mahraja Porus, Raja Salwan, Bhais' Sti Das, Mati Das, Dyala etc. We have heard of brave Sikhs like the Gurus, Babas Jodh Singh, Deep Singh, Hari Singh, Gujar Singh etc.

BUT how come we never hear of brave Punjabi mussalmans till they started fighting as mercenaries of the British. Then again few and far between.

Hemant

Re: # 155

"in fact, all of south asia would have been one pakistan" again do not recall any of your great islamiques calling the nation as such. It would still have been Hindustan.

Well I am glad you admit whose progeny you are.

Hemant

Re: # 135

"And some fools mistake truculence as bravado" Beautifully written. Many years ago a Sardar co traveller gently reminded some interactors in a train compartment that the Tamil tigers were not exactly North Indians.

The unfortunate problem is that while physical stenght is an attribute it is not the only one. The tribes of southern Africa are the toughest people in the world but when faced with the belligerent Boers and their disciplined fire with just muzzle loaders they crumbled like ninepins (read about the Afrikaaner festival of Dingaan's Day). Pakistanis the difference between a soldier and a civilian is training. Courage is the not the absence of fear it is the overcoming of it. Why have I used the word unforunate above simply because our neighbours across the borders see that the generally smaller size of people in India as a sign of inferiority and indulge in misadventures.

In Africa they have a saying that the bravest of Lions does not attack a Ratel (a kind of a badger).

The ratel having the unfortunate tendency to detesticluate any animal foolish enough to attack it. It literally goes for the balls.

Hemant

Re: # 109

Let us See. There are 4 khans in bollywood and between them they have given 30 or so hit movies compared to 1 Amitabh or Dharmendra who has given a similar number alone.

Gene pool my left foot. I wonder why is there a tendency among muslims/pakis to render themselves as the illegitimate progeny of central asians.

Hemant

"...yes blood mixing has been the main problem......we have passed on our good looks to them, and have gained only their submissive genes in return......it has, without a doubt, been a bad deal for us...."

So they hybrid is proud of the rape of his dadi and associates with rapists... hmmmm

Remember "we" are not capable of anything on "our" own. "we" need Pathan bahadurs to do our bidding. Lage raho munna bhai. But this time around don't forget to zip up your posterior when you invite Pathans. Good Luck.

what about the right of self determination of Azad {ghulam} kashmiris?

ahmadmadani #: "I taken position if we think central asian blood is more then we have good racial qualities but blood mixing have led to problems. Only one can say our forefathers were of martial race and we have pride of them that is acceptable"

...yes blood mixing has been the main problem......we have passed on our good looks to them, and have gained only their submissive genes in return......it has, without a doubt, been a bad deal for us....

however, i think, now, we have isolated ourselves from them, and can purify our genes again......after which it will be time to rule over them......

this was about to happen via the taliban......luckily for them, unlike before, the punjabis stopped them.......i think it is time for the punjabis to let them through, straight to panipat.......

i'll give it another fifty years, after which we will be back as the ruling class, and they will be our subordinates again........at which time, at least i will make sure that we convert all of them.......had we done that earlier, dost-mittar, anil, shankar and all the rest on this site would be on our side, and there would be no kashmir problem.......

in fact, all of south asia would have been one pakistan......we were far too kind to them......

shankar ji, i know how to manage my studies.... thanks anyway for the unsolicited advice.(bytheway,my classes start only on august one and besides , whenever i ahve commented here , it is only through my fone when i am tired after perusing Harper's biochem).It hardly takes a minute to comment here.

Finally Nauman, nai denge Kashmir. Kar lo jo karna hai! Agar himmat hai to chhin ke le jao. :)

kamath#148:

Borivili is an old-timer at chowk and his identity is quite apparent from his previous interacts. You can verify by visiting them if you wish.

Hindu_sikh beta,

Even though I'm honored you would read what I said 10 yrs ago...Grey's Anatomy & Chatterjee's Physiology are huge books to read in 1st MBBS. I don't recall I had time to read anything else, much less useless banter & one upmanship in Chowk:)

I am thinking seriouly fellows.

Why don't Indians hand over the following to Pakistanis? To start with;
- Kashmir,then Tajmahal and Agra,then comes Delhi, Lucknow,Ahmadabad, Bijapur etc. Don't forgetRann of Kutch too. After all most Pakistanis as I understand are the heirs of Grand Mughuls you see.

Then Pakistani and Indians will have total peace in the Indian sub-continent.

Kamath

Re: # 147 Sardar Mitter:

As I know Borivili is another poor and dirty suburb of Bombay. Are you sure Borivili is a Indian Muslim? There are dozens of Muslim sects like Bohras. Khojas, Bearys etc. But Borivilis!!!! Um, Um..
Kamath

Re: # 67 Beorn:

Sir: Here in this Cyberspace we write in and discuss topics in English. So why do some suddenly revert or regress to write in Urdu? Perhaps would you be kind enough to give an English translation please?

ahmedmadani#132:

Madani saheb, that was my non-serious response to Romair's non-serious comments. I agree that Gen. Thimmaya was the best general produced by South Asia. I wish that he had stood up to Nehru and saved us from the utter humiliation from China.