Pakistan Crisis - Seven Problem, Seven Solutions

Re: # 42
refreshingly apt!especially the last one.also it is the freedom to wear what one likes.

just the other day i had read something by a prominent Pakistani actor,to the effect that he does not want any Indian films showing in Pakistan.patriot.i cannot help agreeing with him.not that i felt transported to my school days, when patriotic zeal was at its peak.i am sure if anyone would have said in those days, that we are banning Indian films we would have shouted ‘yaaaayyyy’!!not that we cared for Indian films, rather we were used to comic books and movies, that showed popular cowboy heroes on the silver screen.but the real reason is, Pakistan is experienced both before and after the ban on Indian films.before, it was the older folks clinging to their identity on nostalgic grounds only, that is all.after the ban, Pakistani movies did prosper and were good!after the days of Waheed-Star-Murad, the film industry floundered.
the atmosphere in Pakistan is not conducive now, to shobiz.now the important question is-is it statistically tru that most of the BPDs(borderline personality disorder) and Dyslexics find their way into the movie world?if so, what about the bpds and dyslexics in Pakistan, what is their future if they will not be encouraged.already some people are sadly calling dyslexi a -the rich man’ s dis-ease.meaning only the rich can afford its remedy.what about the jobless poor will they starve to death?surely Mental health care societies must gear up to prevent this.all those who are already in the shobiz, i would not mind if they reach out around the Globe to find a market for their talents and find a good livelihood for themselves.bpd and dyslexics have a statistical list of proven successful treatment.wake up people to psychotherapeutic care, to avoid the vicious circle of suicides and violence.if you cannot give him a field for his talent, give him a treatment and remedy, to make him a better man adaptible to other jobs notdictated by his talent.

#126, all those who vote for the PPP know their rights thanks to the rabble rousing of ZAB. We know that feudalism is older than industrialism but the dynamic of both is the same, it is the internal contradictions of both systems that lead to their eventual downfall but the art of manipulation to avoid or mask those contradictions has been perfected by the capitalists of the present unlike any feudals. By "education" and "skills" you mean the "fitting in" kind of education that the Pakistani middle class talks about, that is no education, consciousness arises out of deprivation, the educated cannot see beyond their daily orbits and look through the cultural web tied around them by the elite, those lower down have a more pristine vision due to their deprivation that makes this entire web a lie...but you need bigger brains than you currently possess to understand these things...struggle of workers has nothing to do with industrialism rather with the mean conditions similar to feudalism that it enforces on the people, feudalism was overthrown in no small part through just such discontent, the bourgeoisie could not have handled it by themselves. Your posts are full of half baked knowledge, misunderstood "facts", appeal to authority and then covering up of the inadequacies of your earlier posts through outright nonsense when they are called out. You have chosen to mess with the wrong person....

Re: # 125
Feudalism is a lot older than industrial societies. In industrial societies, the workers did learn to organize and fight for their rights because they had the skills, the literacy and the opportunity. This happened in the industrialized north in America, not in the rural South.

How many landless farmers have you seen in Pakistan who even know what their rights should be as human beings, much less demand their rights?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz writes "An industrial worker in an industrialized society is never as helpless as a Pakistani peasant serf on the land of his feudal master"

That is because you are conveniently forgetting the years of struggle and similar mean conditons that industrial workers had to go through to get the rudimentary rights they have and they had to go through a great depression that marked the end of capitalism as you know it were it not for the manipulations that led to those few rights. But as I said earlier all these things require a bigger brain than you possess, a simple translation of Pakistani feudal peasants to the industrial workers of today in Western nations ignoring the long history in between is only the forte of either PMA graduates or code coolies....

Re: # 123
Please learn to tell the truth and handle the truth, rather than engage in a personal vendetta of lies, baseless rumors and innuendo against those you disagree with. It'll do you a lot of good.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 121

HpSauce - I am curious to know what was Riaz's contribution to Intel chip. He generally seems like a very dishonest guy to me.

If the story about getting kicked out of TiE is true - then I have only sympathies for him (ahem...) and I can understand why he is so full of vile against India.

Re: # 120
Your personal attack and lies about me (this white lie about TIE, that reveals your own moral and intellectual bankruptcy) just show how incensed you are by the news I shared. Learn to deal with the facts, spare the personal innuendo.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

For starters do you really want me to reveal what was your contribution to the Intel chip you claim to have produced?

be truthful, man. Dont claim more than what you should claim for.

It catches up at sometime.

Riaz you need to polish your self . The level of Intellectual Dishonesty shown by is not shown by any true pakistani. Even the goons of ISI have more honesty than you.

ARE YOU REALLY A PAKISTANI or a troll.

here it is for you Riaz - the man who bull shits on his CV. all the way through and who got chucked out of TiE for intellectual dishinesty.

One would have thought you learned your lessons. But then your state as a paindoo and a dishonest one is your final state. You cannot imporve on it:D


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One of the most significant human rights acts of the U.S. government is the designation of "countries of particular concern," or CPCs, for ongoing, egregious violations of religious freedom. CPC designation is not an end point, but the beginning of focused diplomatic activity required by the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (IRFA) from which important obligations in the form of consequent actions flow. Pursuant to the IRFA statute, the Commission issues recommended responses for the President, Secretary of State, and Congress to follow up on the CPC designations.

In addition to its CPC recommendations, the Commission has established a Watch List of countries where religious freedom conditions do not rise to the statutory level requiring CPC designation but which require close monitoring due to the nature and extent of violations of religious freedom engaged in or tolerated by the governments.

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weep and cry man. The compnay is hilarious and sad.

We should empower and strong our Judiciary. Strong Judiciary leads to strong institutions and strong institutions leads to strong and healthy democracy. Without strong judiciary, every good effort will be like Mopping with open nul.

Re: # 116; "wage slavery where the worker living in miserable conditions, much more miserable than when he was tied to the land puts him or her in an equally controlled situation while enhancing his or her alienation because he or she does not determine what work they do and are removed from the fruits of their labor."

I disagree with your premise entirely. An industrial worker in an industrialized society is never as helpless as a Pakistani peasant serf on the land of his feudal master.

Just look at the difference between workers in the modern industrialized societies today and the poor landless peasants in "medieval" Pakistan now, and you'll understand what I mean. There is huge gap between their skill levels, literacy, education, health and sense of personal autonomy.

The situation of Pakistani landless peasants is comparable to that of black slaves in the American South in the 19th century. Even the indentured labor the Brits used in Africa and the Carri bean were much better off than Pak peasants today.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#115 I think you misuderstand the eniter question, wage slavery where the worker living in miserable conditions, much more miserable than when he was tied to the land puts him or her in an equally controlled situation while enhancing his or her alienation because he or she does not determine what work they do and are removed from the fruits of their labor. The revolution against the feudal order was brought about by the capitalists opportunistically siding with the discontented serfs against the feudal order. In the case of discontent against the industrialists who have raped and pillaged the land and made humanity suffer moreso than any feudal could have, the world's condition speaks to that, no feudal can side with the workers to upset that order, only a socialistic revolution can do that because no worker wants to return to the land to be a serf just as much as he doesn't want to be a wage laborer. He wants to control his or her own destiny unlike the middle classes in Pakistan who want military dictatorship and enslavement. But I guess you need a bigger brain to understand these issues. Code writing and understanding society, small business starting and understanding social institutions are different things, don't try to argue beyond your caliber of reasoning.

Re: # 114
A feudal lord "owns" his "slaves" because they live on his land and do his bidding, or they risk being punished by the feudal lord who can withhold their food and water and being put in the feudal's private jail.

The farm hands are usually illiterate and unskilled, because their master wants to keep them that way in a traditional, unmechanized feudal farm setup in Pakistan.

An industrialist employs his workers who have a choice to live wherever they like and can choose to work for a different employer. The industrial workers are usually more skilled and more literate (than farm hands) because that's what the industrial jobs demand.

The revolutions are usually brought about by the self-employed small business owners and petty shop keepers types who have little more autonomy than either the farm hands or the industrial workers.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Interesting observation by 102 about feudalism and industrialism, isn't the peasant serf equation that prevents democracy matched by the capitalist and worker division? Some say that the middle class is the reason for democracy and not industrialism but I'm not too keen on that. So cannot a middle class arise in feudal dominated societies since it was this "middle" if I recall my history correctly that led to the overthrow of the feudals and industrialism, the serfs didn't overthrow the feudals by themselves. You are confusing us....