What Will Happen if the USA Withdraws From Afghanistan

Re: # 153,GoldFinger, Ahmad Faraz my favt revolutionary poet, was from kohat but not Bangash,his family is SYED,very well known in kohat, Peshawar,his close relative was my class mate in college,his one brother was my college professor,really nice people.

"They should get out as soon as possible. Or they'll be picked off like clay pigeons in target practice."

The above words of warning to America are attributed by the NPR radio to former Soviet Afghan war veteran, Lt. Sergei Maximov, on the 20th anniversary of the humiliating defeat of the Soviet empire twenty years ago.

On February 15, 1989, the last Soviet troops pulled out of Afghanistan, nine years after they swept into the country. The Soviet action involved more than 600,000 Soviet soldiers and resulted in large numbers of killed and wounded both among them and among the Afghan population.

Remembering the fateful war that brought down the Soviet Union, another war veteran, former sergeant Boris Raisky, chimes in, "I realized we were fighting a counterinsurgency against local partisans. By definition, that's an unwinnable war."


You can read more at http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/02/twentieth-anninversay-of-soviet-defeat.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

30 years before 1857 there was no war.the third maratha war was fought i 1817-18
Agha Amin

your facts are all wrong.the british suffered maximum casualties at chillianwallah in 1849 in all battles fought agaonst all including india , afghanistan,iran.

tantia topi never went to nepal.he was caught in 1859 and hanged.
Agha Amin

"Largest casulties British suffered was in the battle of Hadapsar (mountain of bones) near Pune. Yashwantrao Holkar defeated British in that battle."

I am not talking about 1857. I am talking 30 years before.

One who calls Tatya's surname as Topi, probably reads British Company babudom written books. Pavo thoda Paw (firang bread) khana Kum Karo.

Shivaji made every one Kshatriya including Mahars and Dhangars (sheep herders). Holkars were Dhangar. Bajirao I, was a Bramhin by birth but was a brave Kshatriya by profession with second wife (keep) a Muslim.

Shinde did not participate in 1857 as Marathi Karhade Bramhin Janshi Ki Rani did. Tatya and many Marathas went to Nepal after the defeat in 1857.

By the way Tantia Topi was a Maratha Brahman and not from Kanpur.In any case he was stationed at Bithur distinct from Kanpur with the nana sahib
Agha Amin

note that your facts about Scindia are all wrong.Whole of Gwalior contingent of Scindiia consisting of Hindustanis revolted and joined Tantia Topi.Scindia was left with no army a and was an hopeless old man sitting in his palace in Gwalior.

Also note that the main fighting was at Delhi and casualties suffered by british at Delhi from june 1857 till its capture in september exceeded all other british casualties in 1857 combined.
Agha Amin

the highest , most numerous british casualties suffered in any single battle was Chillianwallah on 13 January 1849.Your facts are all wrong.
Agha Amin

Largest casulties British suffered was in the battle of Hadapsar (mountain of bones) near Pune. Yashwantrao Holkar defeated British in that battle.

If Shinde (Scindia of Gwalior) had joined Tatya Tope of Kanpur, Company rule would have ended in 1857. Similarly Holkars of Indore, Gaikwads of Varodara and Bhosales of Nagpur/Ranchi should have participated. Savarkar's book on the 1857 history needs to be read by all Indians. JLN company made us read British fed history. We look at our ancestors through British colorful lies and not our own eyes.

in september 2002 i wrote an article for Nation Lahore titled Essence of the Matter.The crux was that all pakistani generals who meddled in politics were men of humble origin with social climber urges.Nation was warned not to publish my articles and did not do so till mid June 2003.
Agha Amin

abdali was a great man but an opportunist.the base of his rise was collaboration with the race the pashtuns hate the most;the iranians.first the saffavids and later the afshars.he was lucky in decamping with treasure of nadir shah looted from delhi when nadir shah was murdered by his nobles.h founded afghanistan but failed to create an empire.pashtuns are great warriors but not empire builders like turks and persians.they are erratic.the ghilzais rose in 1709 , overthrew the persians,overran persia and by 1729 were destroyed.they were the real heroes.the durranis were shameless opportunists who collaborated with the hated persians .but luck had it that they founded afghanistan.as u study afghan history.who were leftists all non durranis, ghilzais.who were royalists.all durranis.its all tribal.thats why the pakistani establishment has succeeded in making the pashtuns fight each other.thats why they feared khalqis and now the anti pakistan taliban.its all ethnic.we must understand that pakistan in its present form is a punjabi state with some second and third rate khattak and yusufzai pashtun and mohajir auxillaries.its very funny.
Agha Amin

i have spent about 34 years trying to decipher all this my friend madani.

the english east india company was a commercial entity.it only went for money.there was no money in keeping useless places like nepal or afghanistan.so they neutralised them and made use of them as mercenaries and buffers.

jun bahadur of nepal led a nepal army into oudh and participated in final attack on lucknow in march 1858.on the other side he gave asylum to many sepoys who withdre from oudh to nepal via the terai and bara banki in may-dec 1858.he gave asylum to hazrat mahal.he gave asylum to ancestors of syed hashim raza father of ali raza of national bank.he was not a crude man like the pakistani pashtun like naseerullah babar or a punjabi chakwali tutoring taliban.they were men of high calibre.yes many taluqdars of oudh sought asylum in nepal like beni madho a hindu rajput and so many others.

you study the pakistani generals.all rom humble origins with immense ambition and all social climbers.too keen to please their spiritual father in DC.

afghanistan was misused , manipulated and thec pakistani generals made money using afghanistan while acting as startegic procuress for USA and Saudi Arabia.all glorified in name of islam.all actually dirty tactical garbage collecting and dog catching.as you know in indo pak sweapers do the dirty jobs and pakistani establishment acted as sweaper of usa and saudi arabia.
Agha Amin

Re: # 156

pavocavalry...that could be an interesting undertaking...I too have been harboring thoughts for a long time to finish a book...but its not happening...have you by the way read "The History of the Pathans" by Haroon Rashid...a very ambitious 12 vol. project I reckon...dealing with all the various Pashtun tribes...Ahmed Shah Abdali happens to be one of the great heroes of Pashtun history, though if you have unearthed any evidence otherwise from that point of view, do enlighten, because we already know what his antagonists think...

Re: # 158 Incidently Karl Marx wrote for english newspapers about that (1987), and he had sympathy at same time he was aware of innate problems of india.
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Major Shaib... There was/ is another state similar to Af. stan and that is Nepal. Nepal faught wars with british and were able to get stalemate. ( It would have been possible for company to put more troops and make different future one can argue). They accepted conditions not to be hostile. The ruler of Nepal understood similar to as you said about afghan ruler who accepted situation as not not much better can be done.
The ruler of Nepal was quite remarkable man during 1857. He had full sympathy for Indians seeking to establish own rule. Under tough situation he did courageous decison to give protection to many fighers and their leaders protection. Many maratha cheftans and central indians escaped and they were givn protecion by king.He told one of maratha leader if he had never visited england he would have joined their side. He told him you have not seen factory in England which can produce thousands of rifles in a day. He was aware of industrial might and and how they can mass produce arms.
He tried to help even when company officials were very angry.
He was able to use personal connections with company people to save some of rulers who had rebeled against, one of such case was Nabab of Banda who definitely would have been hanged as openly joined marathas like Tantya topi.

It is sad when informed military man like mr. Romair write "british win " easily. British did not win easily , they were nearly in big trouble so crown took over. It will be better for mental conditions all subcontinental residents read your book carefully. The Indians rebels faught very well and even though out gunned , no central leadership or money its was great struggle. You clearly exposed british lies about chase of Tantya topi, how they were saying they did better even though they were out gunned. As you critically examined by their own records and showed Tantya topi was totally handicapped in every respect.
One of reason we do not know truth and neither we want to arrive at truth ( as we accept truth we are inferior), that really leads to inferirity complex. If one reads your book can have pride of our ancestors in healthy way but we should not be proud as we have not done much recently except boot polishing american masters than britsh masters.
Also still inferiority filled people are debating why indians lost? They will not be this gullible if they take pains to read your book and draw conclusions the the war was won but battle was lost. The process towards liberation was already on its was just waiting game. In professional life its frustrating to deal with real brain dead people , slowly you become brain dead.
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