Ahmad Bilal September 12, 2009
#1 Posted by Gladiator1 on September 16, 2009 1:08:32 pm
You read "A case of exploding mangoes", sat down and tried to write your own version,RIGHT!!It was pretty distasteful seriously.
#2 Posted by KHYBER on September 16, 2009 4:17:31 pm
Zia was the most hateful dictator, Zia was founder of drugs and arms culture in Pakistan .Zia was the dictator who damaged Pakistan most. Pakistan is still reaping what he had sowed. His actions caused shias and sunnis to start fighting amongst themselves, people were scared to speak freely because he banned everything from public rallies to anti-govt demonstrations. Zia contributed much to the rise of fundamentalism, obscurantism and retrogression that is threatening Pakistan today. During his regime corruption was on peak. only poor people were punished. Zia ul Haq was a traitor of Pakistan, a betrayer of its people. Zia damaged the prospects for a functioning federation by vesting more powers in the office of president and making the parliament subservient. He introduced the eighth amendment in the constitution which empowered the president to dissolve elected assemblies, a power which was frequently used by his successors in the presidency. Zia’s policies of jihad in Afghanistan and Islamisation in Pakistan promoted radicalism and sectarianism in society, which has since then gained monstrous proportions. He skillfully exploited Islam to legitimize and consolidate his military dictatorship. Presenting himself as a simple, pious and devoted Muslim, he institutionalized religious radicalism in Pakistan. Zia butchered many innocent Palestinians in the name of Operation against Black September {a militant organization of Palestinians). He was unholy nexus of mullah and military in Pakistan, a culprit behind sectarianism and ethnicism in Pakistan .Zia who ruled for 11 years (1977-88) played havoc with every civilian institution in Pakistan. Today if Pakistan is called world's most dangerous country ,the honor goes to General Zia and his team of army officers .General Zia had no respect for constitution and democracy, These are the GOLDEN words of NAWAZ SHARIF’S political father, guru, and mentor General Zia-ul-Haq “constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper which he can tear any time he wishes." For eleven years he ruled by keeping 1973 constitution suspended through Martial Law Regulations, Martial Law Orders and the Provisional Constitutional Order of 1981. The worst conditions of law and order, unparalleled corruption in national life, seemingly unstoppable sectarian violence, political opportunism, tax evasion, smuggling and anti-people stance of all governments after 1977 are some of the legacies of the departed ruler, the most ruthless of all dictators Pakistan has had so far. Gen. Zia was a master in the art of seeking favors from the right quarters, someone who did not mind stooping low in his attempt to conquer hearts. Ministers in ZA Bhutto's cabinet used to narrate an incident when during a break at a meeting a few drops of tea trickled from the cup on to prime minister's shoes. Gen. Zia quickly took a handkerchief from his pocket and wiped the shoe clean.
#3 Posted by KHYBER on September 16, 2009 4:22:55 pm
Ahmad,That cruel baster died but his ghost is still there killing innocent people.
#4 Posted by eleventyone on September 16, 2009 4:40:38 pm
what I remember about Zia's death was that idiot Azhar Lodhi wailing and sobbing on PTV and my grandmother crying while watching it, haha.
I am actually getting really tired of these accounts of people who were delighted at Zia's death. Would like to read an account of someone who was sad when Zia died, since I distinctly remember there being a lot of them.
I am actually getting really tired of these accounts of people who were delighted at Zia's death. Would like to read an account of someone who was sad when Zia died, since I distinctly remember there being a lot of them.
#5 Posted by KHYBER on September 16, 2009 5:10:09 pm
Re: # 4 eleventyone,I have respect for your grandmother,like many innocent Pakistanis,people don't understand that hypocrite mullahs, politicians and generals use name of our religion for their political and personal interests,for the last 62 years Islam has been used as powerful tool by these hypocrites and Zia was the champion of all these hypcrites. Zia,used this tool of Islam and played it criminally with the emotions of people of Pakistan. It’s all his sowing which we are reaping today. Also,lets not forget that During the Cold War, imperialism used Islamic fundamentalists against the left. The fundamentalist parties were the closest friends of imperialism in the Muslim world.
The shameful alliance of imperialism and fundamentalism was exposed in Pakistan in 1977 during a movement against Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. The fundamentalists started a movement against Bhutto in 1977 based on his rigging of elections. Some left and bourgeois parties also joined hands with the religious parties. Bhutto was a populist nationalist leader and an irritant for imperialism in the region. During this movement, the dollar was devalued in Pakistan. This was the only such instance in Pakistan, indicating the flood of dollars reaching Pakistan during those days.In pakistan, the ruling classes has always exploited religion to justify its regimes or to win popularity. The unelected governments used religion to argue that Islam and Western democracy do not match, while so-called elected governments used religion to gain popularity whenever it was threatened.
The shameful alliance of imperialism and fundamentalism was exposed in Pakistan in 1977 during a movement against Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. The fundamentalists started a movement against Bhutto in 1977 based on his rigging of elections. Some left and bourgeois parties also joined hands with the religious parties. Bhutto was a populist nationalist leader and an irritant for imperialism in the region. During this movement, the dollar was devalued in Pakistan. This was the only such instance in Pakistan, indicating the flood of dollars reaching Pakistan during those days.In pakistan, the ruling classes has always exploited religion to justify its regimes or to win popularity. The unelected governments used religion to argue that Islam and Western democracy do not match, while so-called elected governments used religion to gain popularity whenever it was threatened.
#6 Posted by tahmed32 on September 16, 2009 5:12:47 pm
#4 those who were sad at Zia's redirected flight to hell are perhaps no longer sad after seeing the bearded fruits of the seeds that Zia planted.
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on September 16, 2009 5:29:28 pm
Khyber #7 thanks. btw, it looks like those who used to oppose your calls against the taliban invasion during the dark days earlier this year are no longer trying to paint the taliban as pious muslims either. some people just take longer before they can see through the mask of "islam" that these scoundrels - taliban, zia etc. - wear.
#9 Posted by KHYBER on September 16, 2009 5:37:58 pm
Re: # 8Tahmed32,Thanks and very true,some people just hide their heads in sand and can't read writing on the wall,they are just deaf,dumb and blind.
#10 Posted by RiazHaq on September 16, 2009 6:17:48 pm
Bilal: "Pakistan has survived through another dictatorship."
The question now is how can Pakistan survive another spell of feudal rule in the name of "democracy"? People of Pakistan, especially those crying hoarse for democracy, have such short memories. They have forgotten the lost decade of the 1990s. And the bad old days of slow or no growth, huge job losses, dramatic increase in poverty are here again.
As the Economist magazine in its June 12, 2008, issue put it:" (The current) macroeconomic disarray will be familiar to the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party of Asif Zardari, and to Nawaz Sharif, whose party provides it “outside support”. Before Mr Sharif was ousted in 1999, the two parties had presided over a decade of corruption and mismanagement. But since then, as the IMF remarked in a report in January, there has been a transformation. Pakistan attracted over $5 billion in foreign direct investment in the 2006-07 fiscal year, ten times the figure of 2000-01. The government's debt fell from 68% of GDP in 2003-04 to less than 55% in 2006-07, and its foreign-exchange reserves reached $16.4 billion as recently as in October."
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
The question now is how can Pakistan survive another spell of feudal rule in the name of "democracy"? People of Pakistan, especially those crying hoarse for democracy, have such short memories. They have forgotten the lost decade of the 1990s. And the bad old days of slow or no growth, huge job losses, dramatic increase in poverty are here again.
As the Economist magazine in its June 12, 2008, issue put it:" (The current) macroeconomic disarray will be familiar to the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party of Asif Zardari, and to Nawaz Sharif, whose party provides it “outside support”. Before Mr Sharif was ousted in 1999, the two parties had presided over a decade of corruption and mismanagement. But since then, as the IMF remarked in a report in January, there has been a transformation. Pakistan attracted over $5 billion in foreign direct investment in the 2006-07 fiscal year, ten times the figure of 2000-01. The government's debt fell from 68% of GDP in 2003-04 to less than 55% in 2006-07, and its foreign-exchange reserves reached $16.4 billion as recently as in October."
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#11 Posted by TNITC on September 16, 2009 6:28:17 pm
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#12 Posted by TNITC on September 16, 2009 6:35:08 pm
The dictator supporter in #10 conveniently forgets that these civilian stop-gappers come into power not to represent the popular uprising and hate of military dictatorship by the people after they suffer the effects of it for decades on end but are brought to power through elections held under the military gun and after an intense period of negotiation in which they agree to remain subordinate to the military. Once this negotiated 'peace' with the military that produces the corruption that he talks about fails those civilian governments are removed by excuse of 'corruption' and the ultra corrupt military brings its own people to power or declares outright martial law- this was the case behind the lost decade of the 1990s that had its roots in the Zia dictatorship. Quoting the IMF as authority on what a developed country can and cannot do, is and is not is like quoting a rapist in formulating your testimony about rape. Ignore the ignoramus who has a clear agenda of supporting military dictatorship so that our people remain in the dirt and remain peons of the West- such will no longer be tolerated- NEVER AGAIN will we allow this holocaust of western supremacy to visit our land again even if it involves armed struggle by the people against its occupying Pakistan Army, don't doubt that that day is fast approaching.
Have a nice day
Have a nice day
#13 Posted by KHYBER on September 16, 2009 6:54:09 pm
Re: # 10RiazHaq sahib,I hate Pakistani feudal politicians too but didn't we tried four military dictators in 63 years of our history? it is clear that running of the country should be done by those who are specially trained for that purpose otherwise Military Generals, who are trained just to kill or destroy the enemy, when they come to the power they do the same thing with their nation and they are very fond of wars and very interested in show of power with guns, such type of people may be very dangerous for the nation, army and world at large. It is also the responsibility of Army as an institution to clarify that why so much conveniently it becomes obedient to such rogue dictators. Pakistan's democratically-elected civilian leaders has been forced to abdicate by the army. A general has directly ruled the country for 34 of its 62 years of existence.What these Generals done in the areas of development,education,health etc ?If Pak's economy was so great under these military dictators then why people still face loadshedding,selling their kids n kidneys,no clean water etc?
By implementing Martial Law in 1958,by Generals, Dreams of Muslims of subcontinent were buried under their boots, and irreparable loss to this nation occurred by those power lusty Journals,
Due to Implementation of Martial Law, Democratic rights of nation were lost, and Pakistan lost the status of a democratic nation, a right and status on the basis and principles of which Pakistan was created.
Dictator Yahya Khan was well known as a loose character man, his era is full of highest victimization of Pakistani nation and Army. Gen Zia damaged the name of Islam,MUSHY BOY who came in power claimed to be a follower of ATTA TURK and get rid of corruption and corrupt politicians jumped into lap of corrupt politicians.Lets forget economy for a sec Raiz sahib and tell us what those dictators done in the areas of education etc which could developed Pakistan and society there.
By implementing Martial Law in 1958,by Generals, Dreams of Muslims of subcontinent were buried under their boots, and irreparable loss to this nation occurred by those power lusty Journals,
Due to Implementation of Martial Law, Democratic rights of nation were lost, and Pakistan lost the status of a democratic nation, a right and status on the basis and principles of which Pakistan was created.
Dictator Yahya Khan was well known as a loose character man, his era is full of highest victimization of Pakistani nation and Army. Gen Zia damaged the name of Islam,MUSHY BOY who came in power claimed to be a follower of ATTA TURK and get rid of corruption and corrupt politicians jumped into lap of corrupt politicians.Lets forget economy for a sec Raiz sahib and tell us what those dictators done in the areas of education etc which could developed Pakistan and society there.
#14 Posted by RiazHaq on September 16, 2009 6:57:58 pm
Re: # 12
Masadi,
As you talk about "holocaust of western supremacy", why doesn't your liberal leftie democracy-loving heart bleed for the millions who are losing their jobs and joining the bread lines amidst increasing poverty every day?
Why are you, in your own urban middle-class comfort, willing to sacrifice the lives of millions of poor Pakistanis on the alter of fake democracy that we see today?
And why are you so smug and happy seeing one of most crooked men in the history of Pakistan elevated to the highest office in the land? Is it not a shame for you and the entire nation to see this crook in the top leadership position? Is this the kind of democracy you support in the land of the pure?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Masadi,
As you talk about "holocaust of western supremacy", why doesn't your liberal leftie democracy-loving heart bleed for the millions who are losing their jobs and joining the bread lines amidst increasing poverty every day?
Why are you, in your own urban middle-class comfort, willing to sacrifice the lives of millions of poor Pakistanis on the alter of fake democracy that we see today?
And why are you so smug and happy seeing one of most crooked men in the history of Pakistan elevated to the highest office in the land? Is it not a shame for you and the entire nation to see this crook in the top leadership position? Is this the kind of democracy you support in the land of the pure?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#15 Posted by TNITC on September 16, 2009 7:02:10 pm
Re #14:
The kind of job creation that RiazHaq the dictator lover wants is for people to make $1.26 compared to $1.25 a day to legitimize the billions in loot that defined the Musharraf era that sold off Pakistan and drained its resources. On the other hand the kind of rule I suggest will result in the redistribution of wealth so that the person making $1.25 a day can make a living wage.
When I mention that these corrupt politicians (whose corruption by the way is much less compared to the military's corruption in pakistan as an institution which has become more feudal than the feudal and also taken a chunk out of Pakistan's manufacturing economy while preserving its feudal social structure- as its years of corrupt rule reveals) are the result of military's interference in political affairs this thug says that I support the military's peons that populate the political establishment- I said no such thing. It is within such a setup where the political institutions can mature and that will never happen under military dictatorship which has produced the political setup we see today. Get an education and learn how to read
The kind of job creation that RiazHaq the dictator lover wants is for people to make $1.26 compared to $1.25 a day to legitimize the billions in loot that defined the Musharraf era that sold off Pakistan and drained its resources. On the other hand the kind of rule I suggest will result in the redistribution of wealth so that the person making $1.25 a day can make a living wage.
When I mention that these corrupt politicians (whose corruption by the way is much less compared to the military's corruption in pakistan as an institution which has become more feudal than the feudal and also taken a chunk out of Pakistan's manufacturing economy while preserving its feudal social structure- as its years of corrupt rule reveals) are the result of military's interference in political affairs this thug says that I support the military's peons that populate the political establishment- I said no such thing. It is within such a setup where the political institutions can mature and that will never happen under military dictatorship which has produced the political setup we see today. Get an education and learn how to read
#16 Posted by TNITC on September 16, 2009 7:03:25 pm
great, keep redflagging my posts in order to shut my voice- it is too late, the people will take care of these dictators and their supporters, who am I but a tiny voice among the mass of conscious folk that wake up to these injustices everyday.
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