Chowk P Room October 17, 1998
#22 Posted by Aliya on October 27, 1998 11:40:08 am
....``Unnecessarily, he was wasted at our hands,`` said the official, adding Fasih might have given the police more leads in this case. (part of a Dawn story quoting an anonymous officer, who was commenting on torture-death of the `suspect` ).
So now that there is one MQM worker in renal failure at Aga Khan Hospital, after the police`s ` interrogation`, another dead in custody, I can bet a devaluing rupee, we`ll have a bona fide killer`s admission on national TV in no time. Move over ZTV, PTV is where the action is, sadly.
So now that there is one MQM worker in renal failure at Aga Khan Hospital, after the police`s ` interrogation`, another dead in custody, I can bet a devaluing rupee, we`ll have a bona fide killer`s admission on national TV in no time. Move over ZTV, PTV is where the action is, sadly.
#21 Posted by NAJAM on October 26, 1998 10:44:54 am
This despicable act of terrorism has left the Pakistani nation in utter shock. The question that keeps bothering all of us is why kill a man who was so kind and sincere? It seems we are living in a jungle where only those survive who learn to accept the rule of fear and violence. Anyone who raises his or her voice against injustice and violence becomes a target.
The government has totally failed to protect the law abiding patriotic citizens and if something is not done now we may see an ugly part of our history being repeated. Anarchy if left unchecked can destroy the strongest of nations and we dont have too look too far in the past for examples.
Pakistan is a victim of a great conspiracy and Karachi seems to be the cornerstone of this conspiracy. What really makes all this painful is to find our Intelligence and Law enforcing agencies totally helpless and useless. The time has come for the creation of a National Security Council, as cleary the political establishment has failed completely as far as the Karachi problem is concerned. The new COAS must fulfill the timely advise of the Ex Chief of Army Staff, General Karamat.
The government has totally failed to protect the law abiding patriotic citizens and if something is not done now we may see an ugly part of our history being repeated. Anarchy if left unchecked can destroy the strongest of nations and we dont have too look too far in the past for examples.
Pakistan is a victim of a great conspiracy and Karachi seems to be the cornerstone of this conspiracy. What really makes all this painful is to find our Intelligence and Law enforcing agencies totally helpless and useless. The time has come for the creation of a National Security Council, as cleary the political establishment has failed completely as far as the Karachi problem is concerned. The new COAS must fulfill the timely advise of the Ex Chief of Army Staff, General Karamat.
#20 Posted by maliani on October 23, 1998 8:12:47 pm
Updated at 15:40 PST (10:40 GMT)
Clues discovered in Hakim Said murder
KARACHI, Oct 23: Imranullah, a former joint unit in-charge of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement`s Liaquatabad sector has been handed over to a Joint Investigation Team to investigate his connection with the Hakim Said murder case.
The Liaquatabad police had registered an FIR against him for possessing an illegal AK-47 rifle. The sources said that senior authorities have set up a joint investigation team comprising police, rangers and other sensitive agencies to interrogate the suspect.
It is learnt that Imranullah was the brother of Ghufranullah, who was arrested by the Malir police on Sept 20 along with 17 AK-47 rifles. The illegal weapons were part of a huge consignment sent from Balochistan to Karachi.
Sources in the police said that Imranullah was wanted in at least 15 cases of crimes including murders in the Liaquatabad police station`s jurisdiction. Details of his involvement in crimes in rest of the city were being collected.
It is also learnt that Imranullah was arrested when Kashif pointed out his involvement. Kashif, a teenager, was taken into custody by the police after his matriculation certificate was found from the Mazda 16-seater, used in the murder of Hakim Said. Kashif told the police that he had handed over his certificate to Imranullah to seek a job.
Clues discovered in Hakim Said murder
KARACHI, Oct 23: Imranullah, a former joint unit in-charge of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement`s Liaquatabad sector has been handed over to a Joint Investigation Team to investigate his connection with the Hakim Said murder case.
The Liaquatabad police had registered an FIR against him for possessing an illegal AK-47 rifle. The sources said that senior authorities have set up a joint investigation team comprising police, rangers and other sensitive agencies to interrogate the suspect.
It is learnt that Imranullah was the brother of Ghufranullah, who was arrested by the Malir police on Sept 20 along with 17 AK-47 rifles. The illegal weapons were part of a huge consignment sent from Balochistan to Karachi.
Sources in the police said that Imranullah was wanted in at least 15 cases of crimes including murders in the Liaquatabad police station`s jurisdiction. Details of his involvement in crimes in rest of the city were being collected.
It is also learnt that Imranullah was arrested when Kashif pointed out his involvement. Kashif, a teenager, was taken into custody by the police after his matriculation certificate was found from the Mazda 16-seater, used in the murder of Hakim Said. Kashif told the police that he had handed over his certificate to Imranullah to seek a job.
#19 Posted by Syed Ahmed on October 23, 1998 7:01:25 pm
Reminds me of a quote by Thomas Jefferson:
Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just....... for the fury of his wrath shall consume us all...
Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just....... for the fury of his wrath shall consume us all...
#18 Posted by ferozk on October 20, 1998 10:59:26 pm
As the old adage suggests, ``whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad``, then so be it with Pakistan.
My late grandfather, who came to Pakistan from Bombay, or Mumbai now days, would always say that soon Pakistan would be like Afghanistan; a collection of warring tribes. I didn`t believe him till I saw a similarity between Karachi and Beruit. The loss of one human life is tragic, but the loss of hundreds, even thousands is just a statistic. In the words of William Shakespear`s Henry V, we can all sit on the ground and tell the sad stories of kings and their death. We can mourn for the needless murder of Hakim Said, in a larger sense we should be mourning for the loss of decency in Pakistan.
At one point in my life, though I still see glimmers of it occasionally, I would say to myself, ``what does it matter if I die, but Pakistan lives.`` Now that refrain has been amended to simply, ``what does it matter ?`` If we are cynical, we can quote Oscar Wilde: You destroy the thing you love and and the thing you love, will destroy you. If we are resigned to our fate, as we are, we echo what Cato once said, ``O` temperor, o` mores !`` - oh, the times, oh, the morals ! The ship of state, once refered to as Pakistan, is sinking and though I am loathe to abandon the ship, I do not what else can I do, but go down with it.
Edmund Burke, the greatest of English parliamentaries, once said that, ``evil succeds not because men do it, but because they do nothing to stop it``. One by one, the voices of tolerance in Pakistan are being silenced and when none will be left, then let it be said that the Land of the Pure was a noble dream.
What have we done to the dream Jinnah bequeated to us ?
My late grandfather, who came to Pakistan from Bombay, or Mumbai now days, would always say that soon Pakistan would be like Afghanistan; a collection of warring tribes. I didn`t believe him till I saw a similarity between Karachi and Beruit. The loss of one human life is tragic, but the loss of hundreds, even thousands is just a statistic. In the words of William Shakespear`s Henry V, we can all sit on the ground and tell the sad stories of kings and their death. We can mourn for the needless murder of Hakim Said, in a larger sense we should be mourning for the loss of decency in Pakistan.
At one point in my life, though I still see glimmers of it occasionally, I would say to myself, ``what does it matter if I die, but Pakistan lives.`` Now that refrain has been amended to simply, ``what does it matter ?`` If we are cynical, we can quote Oscar Wilde: You destroy the thing you love and and the thing you love, will destroy you. If we are resigned to our fate, as we are, we echo what Cato once said, ``O` temperor, o` mores !`` - oh, the times, oh, the morals ! The ship of state, once refered to as Pakistan, is sinking and though I am loathe to abandon the ship, I do not what else can I do, but go down with it.
Edmund Burke, the greatest of English parliamentaries, once said that, ``evil succeds not because men do it, but because they do nothing to stop it``. One by one, the voices of tolerance in Pakistan are being silenced and when none will be left, then let it be said that the Land of the Pure was a noble dream.
What have we done to the dream Jinnah bequeated to us ?
#17 Posted by baghee on October 20, 1998 2:00:49 pm
SCENE1: In a house there are a number of boys , chatting happily over the murder of Hakim Sahib, and being proud of their guts and big headings and the `golden words` recieved by their masters.
SCENE2: In another house, the `junior-master` is planning to tell another group of boys to terminate `THE KILLERS`.
SCENE3: waiting to happen.
SCENE4: most of the audience get involved in the SCENES.(MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL).
Well, the killers are `may-be` happy now, and probably are recieving `SHABBASH` from their masters, but we will INSHA ALLAH see the day, soon, when these masters will pay for all of their sin, INSHA ALLAH.
SCENE2: In another house, the `junior-master` is planning to tell another group of boys to terminate `THE KILLERS`.
SCENE3: waiting to happen.
SCENE4: most of the audience get involved in the SCENES.(MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL).
Well, the killers are `may-be` happy now, and probably are recieving `SHABBASH` from their masters, but we will INSHA ALLAH see the day, soon, when these masters will pay for all of their sin, INSHA ALLAH.
#16 Posted by wasiq on October 20, 1998 11:45:22 am
Inna Lilla-he wa inna ilayhay rajeun.
This is a very sad incident indeed. And I think that our situation is even sadder -we have unfortunately become so attuned to this violence that only a tragedy of this magnitude shocks us now.
As a kid, I too, like many many others read Naunehal magazine. The loss of Hakim Said is a big loss. However, looked at from the point of view of principles, one murder is equivalent to another, and therefore I will tend to see this incident as a sad commentary on our society.
We mourn Hakim Said today, we should also mourn the countless thousands who along with him have been devoured by the same demon of lawlessness.
This is a very sad incident indeed. And I think that our situation is even sadder -we have unfortunately become so attuned to this violence that only a tragedy of this magnitude shocks us now.
As a kid, I too, like many many others read Naunehal magazine. The loss of Hakim Said is a big loss. However, looked at from the point of view of principles, one murder is equivalent to another, and therefore I will tend to see this incident as a sad commentary on our society.
We mourn Hakim Said today, we should also mourn the countless thousands who along with him have been devoured by the same demon of lawlessness.
#15 Posted by sabidi on October 20, 1998 8:38:59 am
Another human life has been brutally exterminated in Karachi. Because it happened to be the life of a well respected, noble man who did a lot of good for humanity its receiving a lot of attention. Whether its in drawing room discussions, the press or the nauseating statements made by the ``leaders``.....all this attention amounts to nothing. We`ve seen it and been through it for so many others who were ``known`` and we haven`t for the many more who were not.
As long as we are the brain-washed de-sensitized lot that we`ve become lets be slightly more callous and realize..........that its not the death of this great man that is the most important issue.......whats most important for us who are left behind him, is to realize
a) That there is an underworld mafia operating here which is much more powerful than we realize. This parallel system makes sure that the Status Quo is maintained and the government is totally
ineffective in dealing with it.
b) That in this or any other similar murder,
we will never know who the real killers were. Even if the authorities do come up with suspects who are convicted. They will only be doing so under pressure and the supposed culprits will most likely be fakes.
c) That all of us left behind are potential targets too.
d) Its really scary writing even this.
As long as we are the brain-washed de-sensitized lot that we`ve become lets be slightly more callous and realize..........that its not the death of this great man that is the most important issue.......whats most important for us who are left behind him, is to realize
a) That there is an underworld mafia operating here which is much more powerful than we realize. This parallel system makes sure that the Status Quo is maintained and the government is totally
ineffective in dealing with it.
b) That in this or any other similar murder,
we will never know who the real killers were. Even if the authorities do come up with suspects who are convicted. They will only be doing so under pressure and the supposed culprits will most likely be fakes.
c) That all of us left behind are potential targets too.
d) Its really scary writing even this.
#14 Posted by Godot on October 20, 1998 6:54:15 am
The Economist in its this week issue (23d Oct) has the lead article on Pakistan in the Asia section entitled ``The Crumbling of Pakistan``. A picture accompanies the article. If a picture is worth a-thousand words, this is it.
#13 Posted by temporal on October 19, 1998 7:14:14 pm
HAKIM KILLERS/ HIKMAT KILLERS
Who are the killers my yaaran-e-chowk ask.
Who are the dastardly killers?
Where they been? Where they go?
The bullets that pierced
the heart, mind and soul
cost Rs. 18 or less.
Hakim`s heart
my mind, your mind and
our soul.
We worked
you & me
all these years
to fill the air
with these bullets and more.
Only lucky ones are those
that end six feet or so below.
Where are the killers?
Where are the killers?
Bullets filled with poisons
worse than Noble`s invention
are hurled with abandon none
by anybody at everybody.
Poisons? You name it
Ethnicity, intolerence, hatred
rainbow of hatred
you name it: we hurl it.
Been hurling these bullets
all these seasons
all these times
and
how innocently dare we ask
who are the killers?
who are the killers!
Dare we look in the mirror?
Who are the killers my yaaran-e-chowk ask.
Who are the dastardly killers?
Where they been? Where they go?
The bullets that pierced
the heart, mind and soul
cost Rs. 18 or less.
Hakim`s heart
my mind, your mind and
our soul.
We worked
you & me
all these years
to fill the air
with these bullets and more.
Only lucky ones are those
that end six feet or so below.
Where are the killers?
Where are the killers?
Bullets filled with poisons
worse than Noble`s invention
are hurled with abandon none
by anybody at everybody.
Poisons? You name it
Ethnicity, intolerence, hatred
rainbow of hatred
you name it: we hurl it.
Been hurling these bullets
all these seasons
all these times
and
how innocently dare we ask
who are the killers?
who are the killers!
Dare we look in the mirror?
#12 Posted by faraz on October 19, 1998 3:52:18 pm
Absolutely disgusting. There is no method to Pakistan`s madness.
IS Quom kah ab Allah hee malik.
IS Quom kah ab Allah hee malik.
#11 Posted by shafqat on October 19, 1998 10:17:58 am
Un-f__king-believable!
A devastating blow, completely crushing to the national spirit, whatever`s left of it. Who are these murderers ?
It is in the interest of the ruling class of feudal politicians to keep the cities burning. There was something in Dawn recently about Ardershir Cowasjee, the C-PLC and Nawaz Sharif interacting to come up with a metropolitan model for Karachi`s police, which would take it out of the influence of malicious, feudal politicians and make the force answerable to an urban governor. Makes a lot of sense to me. Apparently, this move is extremely unpopular with the politicians and bureacrats, which only confirms its aptness, of course.
The state of anarchy in Karachi is obviously not as simple as an inept police force. There is that, of course, but even if the police do catch someone, there are still major roadblocks before justice can be served. The police are pressurized to release well-connected criminals. Even if they manage to resist this, however, there has to be a conviction in a court of law. But judges are easy to bribe or coerce and, besides, any witnesses are (understandably) afraid to come forward, making justice seem like an eternal mirage.
Saad Shafqat
A devastating blow, completely crushing to the national spirit, whatever`s left of it. Who are these murderers ?
It is in the interest of the ruling class of feudal politicians to keep the cities burning. There was something in Dawn recently about Ardershir Cowasjee, the C-PLC and Nawaz Sharif interacting to come up with a metropolitan model for Karachi`s police, which would take it out of the influence of malicious, feudal politicians and make the force answerable to an urban governor. Makes a lot of sense to me. Apparently, this move is extremely unpopular with the politicians and bureacrats, which only confirms its aptness, of course.
The state of anarchy in Karachi is obviously not as simple as an inept police force. There is that, of course, but even if the police do catch someone, there are still major roadblocks before justice can be served. The police are pressurized to release well-connected criminals. Even if they manage to resist this, however, there has to be a conviction in a court of law. But judges are easy to bribe or coerce and, besides, any witnesses are (understandably) afraid to come forward, making justice seem like an eternal mirage.
Saad Shafqat
#10 Posted by Godot on October 19, 1998 8:06:21 am
It is sad that the murder of a well-known personality has evoked so much condemnation, while murders of other countless innocent souls go without evoking much passion. I am told that the six-year old daughter of someone I know had that infamous HIV injected in her little arm in Karachi with the tape ``Welcome to the HIV club.`` What crime did that little girl commit to deserve this hideous punishment? Can anyone explain? Where is the Amir-ul-Momeneen and that SOB Altaf? Safe, in their homes, I suppose.
#9 Posted by rehanrizvi on October 19, 1998 8:06:21 am
Like ZJ, I too, grew up reading Naunehal. My moral and ethical foundations were formed on the ideas and lessons in the stories it contained. Hakim Saeed was my hero, my role model and one of the most decent, selfless, and true human beings in our society. Like everyone else, I ask from the killers, why him? What did he ever do to deserve it?
I ask the government, if the lives and properties of the citizens of our country are not safe then isn`t it against the very foundation of the idea of pakistan? Remember, we read that Pakistan was obtained to provide a safe and secure homeland where Muslims AND non-Muslims could live peacefully. Well, what happened to that Pakistan?
Whose turn is it next? Sattar Edhi? Cowasjee? Ansar Burnee? Would anyone with a human heart be left alive when it all ends?
Who`s afraid of India anymore when we can be slaughtered by our own!
I ask the government, if the lives and properties of the citizens of our country are not safe then isn`t it against the very foundation of the idea of pakistan? Remember, we read that Pakistan was obtained to provide a safe and secure homeland where Muslims AND non-Muslims could live peacefully. Well, what happened to that Pakistan?
Whose turn is it next? Sattar Edhi? Cowasjee? Ansar Burnee? Would anyone with a human heart be left alive when it all ends?
Who`s afraid of India anymore when we can be slaughtered by our own!
#8 Posted by slink on October 19, 1998 8:06:07 am
watch out edhi, asma jehangir, jamil yousuf and nazim haji of the cplc, ardeshir cowasjee and roland d`souza, and the other 139 million normal people in this country.
#7 Posted by baghee on October 19, 1998 12:40:49 am
Was a fan of Altaf, but no more.
Its his men, who like to make just `big headings`, I do not have any proof, but I am sure that the killers will be killed within weeks. Thats the way they do it.
visit:http://www.anglefire.com/ny/bagheee
May Allah forgive us for our wrong deeds.
Hakim Saeed, YOU JUST GOT A BETTER LIFE. LUCKY U.
Its his men, who like to make just `big headings`, I do not have any proof, but I am sure that the killers will be killed within weeks. Thats the way they do it.
visit:http://www.anglefire.com/ny/bagheee
May Allah forgive us for our wrong deeds.
Hakim Saeed, YOU JUST GOT A BETTER LIFE. LUCKY U.
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