Chowk P Room October 17, 1998
#1 Posted by Chowk Staff on October 18, 1998 3:49:22 pm
Mutahir Kazmi of Pakistan Human Rights Watch
sends in these sentiments on the killing of Hakim Said:
The broad day murder of one of a great patriots and reformer of
Pakistan, Hakeem Saeed, has shaken the foundations of the Pakistani
society. Pakistan, the dream of Iqbal , the sum total of the aspirations
of the Muslims of sub-continent, the accomplished mission of the
Qaid-e-Azam is crying helplessly. The blood of the latest patriot has
mixed with the pool of blood of the people of Pakistan who were
gun-downed in the streets of Karachi before him. Pakistan, the fort of
Islam, as we once identified, has become a fort without walls. Every
building , very institution is being pulled down brick-by-brick.
Thieves, murders, hate-preachers are hunting-down the citizens of
Pakistan. They come , they open the mouths of their fire spiting weapons
and they disappear only to appear in the next street to pound upon new
victims . The killers are free to barge in where-ever they smell the
breath of a patriot.
The fall of Hakeem Saeed is neither the first nor the last in this blood
saga of Pakistan where only patriots are hunted, where killers
walk-freely. Yet it is the fall of a minaret of a mosque. In this city ,
bride-city of the world of Islam, mosques are falling-down.
Where is our Prime Minister, who boasts of land-slide mandate, who can
crush even the generals under his thumb? Where are our intelligence
agencies who can dig out their target from even the bottoms of the
Hindu-Kush mountain? Where is our police? They too are busy in hunting
down their own prey,as usual, the patriots of Pakistan.
PATRIOTS ARE OPEN GAME IN ISLAMIC PAKISTAN
sends in these sentiments on the killing of Hakim Said:
The broad day murder of one of a great patriots and reformer of
Pakistan, Hakeem Saeed, has shaken the foundations of the Pakistani
society. Pakistan, the dream of Iqbal , the sum total of the aspirations
of the Muslims of sub-continent, the accomplished mission of the
Qaid-e-Azam is crying helplessly. The blood of the latest patriot has
mixed with the pool of blood of the people of Pakistan who were
gun-downed in the streets of Karachi before him. Pakistan, the fort of
Islam, as we once identified, has become a fort without walls. Every
building , very institution is being pulled down brick-by-brick.
Thieves, murders, hate-preachers are hunting-down the citizens of
Pakistan. They come , they open the mouths of their fire spiting weapons
and they disappear only to appear in the next street to pound upon new
victims . The killers are free to barge in where-ever they smell the
breath of a patriot.
The fall of Hakeem Saeed is neither the first nor the last in this blood
saga of Pakistan where only patriots are hunted, where killers
walk-freely. Yet it is the fall of a minaret of a mosque. In this city ,
bride-city of the world of Islam, mosques are falling-down.
Where is our Prime Minister, who boasts of land-slide mandate, who can
crush even the generals under his thumb? Where are our intelligence
agencies who can dig out their target from even the bottoms of the
Hindu-Kush mountain? Where is our police? They too are busy in hunting
down their own prey,as usual, the patriots of Pakistan.
PATRIOTS ARE OPEN GAME IN ISLAMIC PAKISTAN
#2 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on October 18, 1998 5:18:13 pm
The devil that is loose in Karachi has many
faces yet ironically remains faceless. It preys
on not just Pakistanis but on the very foundations
on which Pakistan was built.
Whatever good that is left in our society is a target. The point being that the Pakistani concept should be erased as an unpleasant memory
by the populace.
How could a 78 year old man pose such a threat
that he had to be eliminated from the scene?
Only the killers or their masters know.
I now pray for the safety of Sattar Edhi.
Ras H. Siddiqui
#3 Posted by BG on October 18, 1998 8:00:44 pm
it is a great tragedy indeed. does anyone know why?????
#4 Posted by MAK on October 19, 1998 12:40:49 am
The morbid news evolved doldrums to every pakistani in and outside of the country.From `Hamdard Dawakhana` to `Hamdard University` and `Naunehal` to scholastic articles and books his incessant irking journey ended up by two penny maniac in a country of malicious rulers and nefarious politicians. I had a chance to see and meet Hakeem Saeed when we students organized an educational program and invited him as special guest. I remember as soon as he got off his car first apologized being late for ten minutes. He was very eloquent, festive and gullible and the pathos was well appreciated among the attendees. He always reprimanded young generation to adopt western style and emphasized to remain within our culture and values. He strictured on marauders (so called politicians) and their depredation.
Now who to blame for this murder and who is responsible of this crime? As Mr. Kazmi mentioned where are our `intelligence` aganecies? where is powerfull prime minister? Now this is enough.. too much..Is it??
Now who to blame for this murder and who is responsible of this crime? As Mr. Kazmi mentioned where are our `intelligence` aganecies? where is powerfull prime minister? Now this is enough.. too much..Is it??
#5 Posted by jollymullah on October 19, 1998 12:40:49 am
We are responsible for creating and allowing
and even thinking about tolerating hatred
be that ethnic, religious, classist, or otherwise
The logical conclusion of such a society is
one where people end up killing each other, and
the creation of the monster of Taliban, and
other extremist fanatical groups. It is time
to end tolerance for any kind of bigotry and/or
hate. Next time someone in your family/friends
puts down a shiah, or sunni, or muhajir, or
sindhi, just tell `em to shut up. These arms
do not just come into a society... there has to
be tolerance for hatered for people to get armed
to the teeth -jolly mullah
and even thinking about tolerating hatred
be that ethnic, religious, classist, or otherwise
The logical conclusion of such a society is
one where people end up killing each other, and
the creation of the monster of Taliban, and
other extremist fanatical groups. It is time
to end tolerance for any kind of bigotry and/or
hate. Next time someone in your family/friends
puts down a shiah, or sunni, or muhajir, or
sindhi, just tell `em to shut up. These arms
do not just come into a society... there has to
be tolerance for hatered for people to get armed
to the teeth -jolly mullah
#6 Posted by Parvez Manzoor on October 19, 1998 12:40:49 am
Ideas are sharper than swords, the world has always known. Violence kills but does not triumph, also belongs to the timeless insight of man`s collective wisdom. Not only is the ink of the scholar more sacred than the blood of the martyr, as claimed by the Islamic tradition, but the idea of civilisation, culture and learning, so nobly personified by Hakim Said is mightier than all the daemons of fanaticism and revenge. When it cuts, it reaches the very heart of things. And it kills not but heals. It is the idea of Islam. The world needs more of the Saids and less of the Rambos because ideas are sharper than all the blades of destruction and no bullet in the world can silence a man of ideas.
Please denounce Pakistan and its culture of violence how you will, but by no licence of moral outrage may you describe this nation or society as `Islamic`!
Please denounce Pakistan and its culture of violence how you will, but by no licence of moral outrage may you describe this nation or society as `Islamic`!
#7 Posted by baghee on October 19, 1998 12:40:49 am
Was a fan of Altaf, but no more.
Its his men, who like to make just `big headings`, I do not have any proof, but I am sure that the killers will be killed within weeks. Thats the way they do it.
visit:http://www.anglefire.com/ny/bagheee
May Allah forgive us for our wrong deeds.
Hakim Saeed, YOU JUST GOT A BETTER LIFE. LUCKY U.
Its his men, who like to make just `big headings`, I do not have any proof, but I am sure that the killers will be killed within weeks. Thats the way they do it.
visit:http://www.anglefire.com/ny/bagheee
May Allah forgive us for our wrong deeds.
Hakim Saeed, YOU JUST GOT A BETTER LIFE. LUCKY U.
#8 Posted by slink on October 19, 1998 8:06:07 am
watch out edhi, asma jehangir, jamil yousuf and nazim haji of the cplc, ardeshir cowasjee and roland d`souza, and the other 139 million normal people in this country.
#9 Posted by rehanrizvi on October 19, 1998 8:06:21 am
Like ZJ, I too, grew up reading Naunehal. My moral and ethical foundations were formed on the ideas and lessons in the stories it contained. Hakim Saeed was my hero, my role model and one of the most decent, selfless, and true human beings in our society. Like everyone else, I ask from the killers, why him? What did he ever do to deserve it?
I ask the government, if the lives and properties of the citizens of our country are not safe then isn`t it against the very foundation of the idea of pakistan? Remember, we read that Pakistan was obtained to provide a safe and secure homeland where Muslims AND non-Muslims could live peacefully. Well, what happened to that Pakistan?
Whose turn is it next? Sattar Edhi? Cowasjee? Ansar Burnee? Would anyone with a human heart be left alive when it all ends?
Who`s afraid of India anymore when we can be slaughtered by our own!
I ask the government, if the lives and properties of the citizens of our country are not safe then isn`t it against the very foundation of the idea of pakistan? Remember, we read that Pakistan was obtained to provide a safe and secure homeland where Muslims AND non-Muslims could live peacefully. Well, what happened to that Pakistan?
Whose turn is it next? Sattar Edhi? Cowasjee? Ansar Burnee? Would anyone with a human heart be left alive when it all ends?
Who`s afraid of India anymore when we can be slaughtered by our own!
#10 Posted by Godot on October 19, 1998 8:06:21 am
It is sad that the murder of a well-known personality has evoked so much condemnation, while murders of other countless innocent souls go without evoking much passion. I am told that the six-year old daughter of someone I know had that infamous HIV injected in her little arm in Karachi with the tape ``Welcome to the HIV club.`` What crime did that little girl commit to deserve this hideous punishment? Can anyone explain? Where is the Amir-ul-Momeneen and that SOB Altaf? Safe, in their homes, I suppose.
#11 Posted by shafqat on October 19, 1998 10:17:58 am
Un-f__king-believable!
A devastating blow, completely crushing to the national spirit, whatever`s left of it. Who are these murderers ?
It is in the interest of the ruling class of feudal politicians to keep the cities burning. There was something in Dawn recently about Ardershir Cowasjee, the C-PLC and Nawaz Sharif interacting to come up with a metropolitan model for Karachi`s police, which would take it out of the influence of malicious, feudal politicians and make the force answerable to an urban governor. Makes a lot of sense to me. Apparently, this move is extremely unpopular with the politicians and bureacrats, which only confirms its aptness, of course.
The state of anarchy in Karachi is obviously not as simple as an inept police force. There is that, of course, but even if the police do catch someone, there are still major roadblocks before justice can be served. The police are pressurized to release well-connected criminals. Even if they manage to resist this, however, there has to be a conviction in a court of law. But judges are easy to bribe or coerce and, besides, any witnesses are (understandably) afraid to come forward, making justice seem like an eternal mirage.
Saad Shafqat
A devastating blow, completely crushing to the national spirit, whatever`s left of it. Who are these murderers ?
It is in the interest of the ruling class of feudal politicians to keep the cities burning. There was something in Dawn recently about Ardershir Cowasjee, the C-PLC and Nawaz Sharif interacting to come up with a metropolitan model for Karachi`s police, which would take it out of the influence of malicious, feudal politicians and make the force answerable to an urban governor. Makes a lot of sense to me. Apparently, this move is extremely unpopular with the politicians and bureacrats, which only confirms its aptness, of course.
The state of anarchy in Karachi is obviously not as simple as an inept police force. There is that, of course, but even if the police do catch someone, there are still major roadblocks before justice can be served. The police are pressurized to release well-connected criminals. Even if they manage to resist this, however, there has to be a conviction in a court of law. But judges are easy to bribe or coerce and, besides, any witnesses are (understandably) afraid to come forward, making justice seem like an eternal mirage.
Saad Shafqat
#12 Posted by faraz on October 19, 1998 3:52:18 pm
Absolutely disgusting. There is no method to Pakistan`s madness.
IS Quom kah ab Allah hee malik.
IS Quom kah ab Allah hee malik.
#13 Posted by temporal on October 19, 1998 7:14:14 pm
HAKIM KILLERS/ HIKMAT KILLERS
Who are the killers my yaaran-e-chowk ask.
Who are the dastardly killers?
Where they been? Where they go?
The bullets that pierced
the heart, mind and soul
cost Rs. 18 or less.
Hakim`s heart
my mind, your mind and
our soul.
We worked
you & me
all these years
to fill the air
with these bullets and more.
Only lucky ones are those
that end six feet or so below.
Where are the killers?
Where are the killers?
Bullets filled with poisons
worse than Noble`s invention
are hurled with abandon none
by anybody at everybody.
Poisons? You name it
Ethnicity, intolerence, hatred
rainbow of hatred
you name it: we hurl it.
Been hurling these bullets
all these seasons
all these times
and
how innocently dare we ask
who are the killers?
who are the killers!
Dare we look in the mirror?
Who are the killers my yaaran-e-chowk ask.
Who are the dastardly killers?
Where they been? Where they go?
The bullets that pierced
the heart, mind and soul
cost Rs. 18 or less.
Hakim`s heart
my mind, your mind and
our soul.
We worked
you & me
all these years
to fill the air
with these bullets and more.
Only lucky ones are those
that end six feet or so below.
Where are the killers?
Where are the killers?
Bullets filled with poisons
worse than Noble`s invention
are hurled with abandon none
by anybody at everybody.
Poisons? You name it
Ethnicity, intolerence, hatred
rainbow of hatred
you name it: we hurl it.
Been hurling these bullets
all these seasons
all these times
and
how innocently dare we ask
who are the killers?
who are the killers!
Dare we look in the mirror?
#14 Posted by Godot on October 20, 1998 6:54:15 am
The Economist in its this week issue (23d Oct) has the lead article on Pakistan in the Asia section entitled ``The Crumbling of Pakistan``. A picture accompanies the article. If a picture is worth a-thousand words, this is it.
#15 Posted by sabidi on October 20, 1998 8:38:59 am
Another human life has been brutally exterminated in Karachi. Because it happened to be the life of a well respected, noble man who did a lot of good for humanity its receiving a lot of attention. Whether its in drawing room discussions, the press or the nauseating statements made by the ``leaders``.....all this attention amounts to nothing. We`ve seen it and been through it for so many others who were ``known`` and we haven`t for the many more who were not.
As long as we are the brain-washed de-sensitized lot that we`ve become lets be slightly more callous and realize..........that its not the death of this great man that is the most important issue.......whats most important for us who are left behind him, is to realize
a) That there is an underworld mafia operating here which is much more powerful than we realize. This parallel system makes sure that the Status Quo is maintained and the government is totally
ineffective in dealing with it.
b) That in this or any other similar murder,
we will never know who the real killers were. Even if the authorities do come up with suspects who are convicted. They will only be doing so under pressure and the supposed culprits will most likely be fakes.
c) That all of us left behind are potential targets too.
d) Its really scary writing even this.
As long as we are the brain-washed de-sensitized lot that we`ve become lets be slightly more callous and realize..........that its not the death of this great man that is the most important issue.......whats most important for us who are left behind him, is to realize
a) That there is an underworld mafia operating here which is much more powerful than we realize. This parallel system makes sure that the Status Quo is maintained and the government is totally
ineffective in dealing with it.
b) That in this or any other similar murder,
we will never know who the real killers were. Even if the authorities do come up with suspects who are convicted. They will only be doing so under pressure and the supposed culprits will most likely be fakes.
c) That all of us left behind are potential targets too.
d) Its really scary writing even this.
#16 Posted by wasiq on October 20, 1998 11:45:22 am
Inna Lilla-he wa inna ilayhay rajeun.
This is a very sad incident indeed. And I think that our situation is even sadder -we have unfortunately become so attuned to this violence that only a tragedy of this magnitude shocks us now.
As a kid, I too, like many many others read Naunehal magazine. The loss of Hakim Said is a big loss. However, looked at from the point of view of principles, one murder is equivalent to another, and therefore I will tend to see this incident as a sad commentary on our society.
We mourn Hakim Said today, we should also mourn the countless thousands who along with him have been devoured by the same demon of lawlessness.
This is a very sad incident indeed. And I think that our situation is even sadder -we have unfortunately become so attuned to this violence that only a tragedy of this magnitude shocks us now.
As a kid, I too, like many many others read Naunehal magazine. The loss of Hakim Said is a big loss. However, looked at from the point of view of principles, one murder is equivalent to another, and therefore I will tend to see this incident as a sad commentary on our society.
We mourn Hakim Said today, we should also mourn the countless thousands who along with him have been devoured by the same demon of lawlessness.
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