Evolution 101

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Answer to malyck in unplugged (unplugged > Science, history, law > Evolution : Answer my questions)

You said that Dipnoi came to land because she felt herself uncomfortable under water. According to biological research about evolution they say that Dipnoi came to land only to pass time. (You can conform this fact), she didn`t came with any reason. When this fish spent some time on land it turned into amphibians (unbelievable). It means that if man would go to a very high altitude and would stop there for centuries, it would develope wings.......
The answer of my last question was not so good. You said that atom doesn`t evolve, I also say this, but My question was that the organells of a cells are if closely seen by electron microscope, they are made of atoms. So it means that in evolution the atom evolve which then changes the structure of DNA.

Now I shall describe the faults of your answer you have given under reference #1
1. I asked the scientific reason of evolution of human from amphibians. You anwered that the genetics changed. My question was that why genetics change? In this question I have not described mammals, why are you doing so?

2. I asked about any changed in past centuries, you have only passed the question by declaring it as a false statement. I asked about the description of a single change, If there is any ? You can`t simply say that species are changing without any evidence.

3. Oh Dear! Read the process of evolution from any book (not from my text book). You`ll come to know that evolution started automatically, actually with a reaction, so where the GOD is? It was described that the first cell formed by some kind of reaction and there was no external factor involved in this process.(GOD as external factor). The base of this theory, ``the formation of first cell`` opposes the presence of Allah. In fact, scientists don`t like to say that the evolution was started by GOD. When the first pastulate of a theory becomes wrong, the theoy comes to an end. (You batter know this, I think)

4. Answer me simply that what factor was involved in the removal of tail of human. Almost more than half mammals have tail but they have no problem. What was the problem with human? I mean why you removed your tail?

5. My fifth question is separate. I have asked about the builder of earth. If this is Allah then there is no evolution. You said that you believe in GOD, then why you can`t believe that GOD has made each and every object with his own power. If species can be changed with physical and enviornmental changings then GOD is only to watch them. (may Allah forgive me and all).

6. My question was that what particular factor was involved in the formation of brain in human more than every specie. Your words are ``if ur angry & annoyed with this gift from ``evolution````. I will not ever say that because I believe in the presence of Allah and I shall say ``if ur angry & annoyed with this gift from ``Allah````. You think that the brain is the gift of evolution, not of Allah..................If so, then Bush is right to enter Iraq. My be Bush believes in evolution.

7. You have repeated my question #7. Why non-living things can`t evolve? You said ``evolution is good for cells not for atoms, and cell is made of atoms``, the part doesn`t evolved and the total can evolve................ Good funny statement.

Hope I would be there to break the basics of evolution in next years. Any biologist here to make a talk

salam

dr shafqat

I like to say :

Our not understanding of human origin , does not allow us to think in a way, which is contrary to what ALLAH and His messanger has told us.

We were created in Heaven, and send down ,after we sin. There is too much which we will never understand than what we understand. If i say ,being in existence, is, as we don`t exist, than in philosifical and in terms of vastness of universe . it will be true.

when, we know ,it is not.

So in the same way, we all are creation of ALLAH/GOD, when He said,BE IT( KUN-FAYUKOON).

We all began from his one order. But we still are different in orgin.

How we can explain JIN (fire creation) and Angels? Can any body tell me.

Dr Ali Imran

Public health Consultant

saliimran@hotmail.com

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www.shifa.cjb.net

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I want to thank your Dr. Saad Shafqat for his informative article ``Evolution 101`` (Oct. 28/98).

IT SHOWED LOGIC AND FORTITUDE TO STATE THE TRUTH AS HE SEES IT. AS A fREETHINKER, I concur completely.

I was disturbed by a few of the whimiscally crude remarks I read in the Replies. When writing or reading ``truths`` I always remember a quote from the late Carl Sagan, ``Intellectual intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.``

My compliments to Dr. Shafqat

I don`t see how or why Muslims disagree with the theory of evolution. The most controversial aspect of the theory, from an Islamic prospective, is it`s reliance on chance. Substitute devine grace for chance (the obstinate athesists wont, but to hell with them - literally)then you have a winner.

Of course, this is a philosophical, not scientific, issue. No wonder the good doctor didn`t delve into it.

It is also interesting that while many muslims raise a stink over Darwinian Evolution, they have no real qualms with the so-called `big-bang` theory. They would proudly state that the allegory of creation in the Quran (literalists have no venom on this matter: the Quran clearly states that it`s treatment of such matters *is * in fact allegorical) is very much compatible with this theory, and would raise no furor over any suggestions that we were fashioned from `star-dust`. Yet, suggest that simple organisms and some animal life was a part of this `fashioning` of our kind, then they scoff. How odd...

Nice article...

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Wasiq writes, `` Actually, yes, I do, very much. FYI I also enjoy singing in the shower, skipping on the side-walks ... should I send you my little blurb from the classified section? ``SDM, 28, enjoys skinning furry little animals ... iso ..``

I appreciate your candid self evaluation. You know yourself. Unfortunately at other times, I have felt that you lose touch with reality.

``Given your ability to froth and spew, I hoped to get much much more. You see I am writing a small

interactive program called ``Satan`` (sort of a doppelganger Eliza), and I really wanted to tap into your amazing ability to spew for pages without actually divulging any information. ``

Although I am not a physician, but I have discussed your mental condition with some physician friends who have informed me that your situation may have resulted from imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. My dear, you will

be glad to know that medical science has quite effective treatments for psychosis.

If you could not comprehend my advise, I will request all the interacters on this forum and particularly your friends to have you visit a competent psychiatrist. This will be a sawab ka kaam. After you get evaluated by a psyhchiatrist and get the appropriate treament please e-mail me and we could continue to debate on evolution and creationist theories.

Your well wisher,

Owais

NOTE: I am extremely busy in my work and do not have time for frivolous debates with a legend like like you.

Dear Mr. Owais,

I almost forgot about this little exchange, so I decided to come back to see what additional gems of wisdom had come from your way. Masha-Allah, what a talent, what a gift!

Since this is WAY more fun than the original subject of the Myth of Creationism versus the Fact of Evolution (wink, wink), I cannot help myself.

``You wrote that it relaxes you to write.``

Actually this particular exchange more than relaxes me. It invigorates me, humors me, and is fun! Thank you. ``The possibilities are endless, Max!``

``Does it also give you ecstasy talking loud to yourself in the facade of a shimmering mirror as well? Based on your arguments so far, I have not even a shred of doubt in my mind that it does.``

This is probably the only correct conclusion that you will reach this year. (OOps does that mean that the quota is up?) Actually, yes, I do, very much. FYI I also enjoy singing in the shower, skipping on the side-walks ... should I send you my little blurb from the classified section? ``SDM, 28, enjoys skinning furry little animals ... iso ...``

``I will take you under my wings (as earlier pleaded by you) and bring the best out of you.``

I am not one who leads others on. At the risk of breaking your heart and bringing your romantic dreams crashing down, my dear sir, when will you see that I was making fun of you? It is called sarcasm, or ridicule (but it does take a wee little bit of you-know-what to recognize).

``I firmly deem that an individual like yourself who is headstrong, bigot, naive and closed minded- probably left your neurons in a refrigerator ...``

Thank you, thank you, thank you and thank you. As they say, zarra nawazi. On the other hand:

Sumandar say milay piyasay ko shabnam
Bakheeli heh yay, fayyazi nahin hai!

Given your ability to froth and spew, I hoped to get much much more. You see I am writing a small interactive program called ``Satan`` (sort of a doppelganger Eliza), and I really wanted to tap into your amazing ability to spew for pages without actually divulging any information. It is really quite amazing. You must be losing your touch Mr. Owais, I am sure you can do better!

``Mr. Wasiq, you are a legend in only your own head.``

Gee thank you for using my name and the word ``legend`` in the same sentence. I have never claimed to be a legend so maybe you will be the one who would have started this insanity! (Imagine a historian hundred years from now ... does that titillate you?) On the other hand I am actually quite happy that you do not think highly of me. I only wonder what hirsute goats illuminate your path. God forbid if I were to de-evolve enough to be your hero ... that is a very frightening prospect indeed.

``Actually working on individuals with an impotent mind gives me significant relaxation and contentment.``

I am sure it does. Takes one to know one as they say. The point is not whether it gives you relaxation but whether you (or that poor unfortunate soul) get anywhere in the process! Wish I could chip in to bring some meaning to your life. But sorry, I am already committed you see.

``... if you willingly give up bigotry and vow to become better ...``

So tell me one thing Mr. Owais, if I give up bigotry, will you guide me to your pristine paradise? Will there be streams of milk and honey? Do you feel turned on by the prospect?

As always, thank you for making my day!
until later, yours.

My dear Wasiq (59)

You wrote that it relaxes you to write. Does it also give you ecstasy talking loud to yourself in the facade of a shimmering mirror as well? Based on your arguments so far, I have not even a shred of doubt in my mind that it does. In fact, I firmly deem that an individual like yourself who is headstrong, bigot, naive and closed minded- probably left your neurons in a refrigerator- should be ashamed to even call himself to be even remotely related to scientific methods. Mr. Wasiq, you are a legend in only your own head. And your head, I am not sure what it contains, obviously it could not accept any sane ideas in it. This can plausibly be attributed to short circuiting of your brain.

I pray that you mature over time and respect the opinions of other people and improve your writing tone. As a matter of fact, if you willingly give up bigotry and vow to become better, I will take you under my wings (as earlier pleaded by you) and bring the best out of you. This is something that even editorship of chowk has not been able to do. Think over it seriously. Actually working on individuals with an impotent mind gives me significant relaxation and contentment.

With very kind regards,

Owais

PS: If you feel like communicating to me via email, do contact me.

Mr. Owais,

After reading your repeated idiotic submissions, it is obvious that you believe that stupidity is a virtue. Indeed you have quite a talent for making a fool of yourself. Myself and other observers of this humorous exchange have been having quite a laugh. (I would quietly suggest that you have a possible career ahead of you as a film star.)

I know how insecure you get if someone suggests that your lengthy ramblings are quite devoid of substance. However, you can be happy at least in the fact that you did not evolve from an ape. My dear sir you have steadfastly remained one.

Yours truly

JOKE OF THE DAY

A patient goes to see a doctor. The doctor inquires about the symptoms that were bothering him. The patient replies that he believes he is a dead man. During several sessions of hypnosis treatment, the doctor tries his best to convince the individual that he was not dead. However, the hypnosis treatment had no effect on him. Finally the doctor asks his patient whether dead men bleed or not. The patient replies in negative. The doctor makes a small scar on the patient`s right hand. The hand bleeds. `See you are alive`, doctor points out to his patient. The doctor now thinks that he has solved the case. The patient replies that there is a new problem. The doctor inquires regarding the nature of the new problem. The patient replies, ``your experiment just proved that dead men bleed`.

Moral:

1) Hypnosis treatment may not work in certain chronic and eccentric patients.

2) Old habits never go away.

3) Once a psychotic always a psychotic

4) Once a chimp always a chimp

5) Once a bigot always a bigot

JOKE OF THE DAY

An monkey goes to a bar and asks for wine. The bar tender serves the wine. The monkey after consuming the wine spits on the table. The bar tender gets angry and asks the monkey about this act. The monkey was embarrassed and told the bar tender that it was an old habit and that he does not know how to give up this habit. The bar tender asks the monkey to see a good psychiatrist and provides the monkey with contact address of a psychiatrist. The monkey returns to the bar after one month. The wine is served and in the end the monkey again spits on the table. The bar tender angrily inquires whether the monkey got himself treated by the psychiatrist. The monkey praised the doctor a lot and mentions to the bar tender that the treatment helped him a lot. The bar tender confusingly points out to the monkey that there has been no improvement. The monkey replies that significant improvement has taken place. With a slight pause the monkey adds that previously he used to be embarrassed but now he is no longer embarrassed by the habit of spitting.

Conclusion:

Old habits never go away.

Once a chimp always a chimp.

Once a bigot always a bigot.