Balkan Tragedy: A Re-enactment of the 1971 Genocide in Bangladesh
Jamal Hasan April 7, 1999
#129 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 24, 1999 9:29:21 am
Exerpt from `The Way it Was`
When Brigadier Iqbal Shafi resumed the command of 53 Brigade he had the commandos placed under his command. When I told him that I had been ordered to make a water-borne landing to secure Rangamati he asked me to leave a platoon in Chittagong. I left a platoon with him and moved the 2 and 3 commando elements to Kaptai Dam headworks. Just short of the dam we passed a place where about fifty bodies were lying beheaded, these were part of the non-Bengali staff of the dam and the generating station. The troops who had been carefree and bantering in their vehicles, became quiet and grim after they saw the ghastly scene.
When Brigadier Iqbal Shafi resumed the command of 53 Brigade he had the commandos placed under his command. When I told him that I had been ordered to make a water-borne landing to secure Rangamati he asked me to leave a platoon in Chittagong. I left a platoon with him and moved the 2 and 3 commando elements to Kaptai Dam headworks. Just short of the dam we passed a place where about fifty bodies were lying beheaded, these were part of the non-Bengali staff of the dam and the generating station. The troops who had been carefree and bantering in their vehicles, became quiet and grim after they saw the ghastly scene.
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#130 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 24, 1999 9:29:21 am
Mass Graves, of non-Bengalis
Exerpt from, The way it was`
Who are the real war criminals?
To get to the ferry landing for the Raja Tridiv Roy’s residence one had to go some distance from the road which came from Chittagong along an un-metalled track through an area covered by shrubs. In the shrubs we found a mass grave where all
the non-Bengalis of Rangamati had been collected, killed and buried, later we were informed that this slaughter had been under the directions of the local administration.
Exerpt from, The way it was`
Who are the real war criminals?
To get to the ferry landing for the Raja Tridiv Roy’s residence one had to go some distance from the road which came from Chittagong along an un-metalled track through an area covered by shrubs. In the shrubs we found a mass grave where all
the non-Bengalis of Rangamati had been collected, killed and buried, later we were informed that this slaughter had been under the directions of the local administration.
#131 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 24, 1999 9:29:21 am
Exerpt from, The Way it was
Bengali Atrocities
A patrol on the lake on the way to Mahalchari, found the bodies of some engineers and their family members who had been brought from the Kaptai Dam, they had been lined up on the bank of the lake, shot and their bodies left to rot.
Bengali Atrocities
A patrol on the lake on the way to Mahalchari, found the bodies of some engineers and their family members who had been brought from the Kaptai Dam, they had been lined up on the bank of the lake, shot and their bodies left to rot.
#132 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 24, 1999 9:29:21 am
Exerpt from, The Way it was
More Bengali Atrocities
At Khagrachari another mass grave of the engineers brought from the Kaptai was discovered. This time there was a survivor, a fourteen year old boy who had been shot but survived by hiding in bushes, he told the story of how they had been
rounded up at Kaptai and brought up to Khagrachari.
More Bengali Atrocities
At Khagrachari another mass grave of the engineers brought from the Kaptai was discovered. This time there was a survivor, a fourteen year old boy who had been shot but survived by hiding in bushes, he told the story of how they had been
rounded up at Kaptai and brought up to Khagrachari.
#133 Posted by satyavadi on April 24, 1999 2:48:33 pm
TO OMAR1974 #128
wich third state you are talking about. You say Junagadh, Hyderabad and a third state. Be more accurate in your details if you want to be taken more seriously.
Another thing, India`s annexation of Goa is completely justified as the Portugese failed to vacate Goa, long after colonialism had ended all over Asia. What do you think, we should let any one holding our land do so and let our people be subjects of a foreign power. Think over it.
As for Kashmir, I belong to the small monority of Indians who think, that Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan at partition, but that was 50 years back. After which Kashmiris were reconciled to their Indian identity and were almost into the mainstream, until the elections in 1988 were rigged and Pakistan sensing opportunity instigated the reactionary elements of the Kashmiris and stoked the insurgency, to later only add mercenaries from Taliban to the terrorists.
As if now, India will be committing suicide, if it conceded Kashmir to hate mongering and innately hostile state like you. So you are not going to get Kashmir on a platter, santch it if you can.
But remember, you need to take care of the foundation of your already moth eaten nation.If really want to venture even more in Kashmir, remember that you may evoke hostile reactio, which may prove to be the last blow.
Sanity lies in accepting the LOC as the actual border and developing better ties and understanding which will result in de facto unification of both Kashmirs, much to the relief of all the other hapless people of the subcontinent.
One last thing, if everything is to be decided by religion, be ready to accept the 120 million non Kashmiri muslims in India, along with the whole of Kashmir. Much as I hate to say this ( because I am a slef avowed secularist believing in the US way and also Indian way of separating state from religion), I cant help it, because you cleansed you country of virtaully all Hindus, on the basis of religion leaving a big chunk of your co religonist in India, who by the virtue of having
a common religion and also being your blood relations ( many have half their families in Pak)
are in a state of confusion about their loyalty to India and their enchantment of an Islamic country.
Think over these options. The choice is with you, whether you want yurself and us to live in peace or in a perennial state of conflict.
Regards,
Satyavadi
wich third state you are talking about. You say Junagadh, Hyderabad and a third state. Be more accurate in your details if you want to be taken more seriously.
Another thing, India`s annexation of Goa is completely justified as the Portugese failed to vacate Goa, long after colonialism had ended all over Asia. What do you think, we should let any one holding our land do so and let our people be subjects of a foreign power. Think over it.
As for Kashmir, I belong to the small monority of Indians who think, that Kashmir should have gone to Pakistan at partition, but that was 50 years back. After which Kashmiris were reconciled to their Indian identity and were almost into the mainstream, until the elections in 1988 were rigged and Pakistan sensing opportunity instigated the reactionary elements of the Kashmiris and stoked the insurgency, to later only add mercenaries from Taliban to the terrorists.
As if now, India will be committing suicide, if it conceded Kashmir to hate mongering and innately hostile state like you. So you are not going to get Kashmir on a platter, santch it if you can.
But remember, you need to take care of the foundation of your already moth eaten nation.If really want to venture even more in Kashmir, remember that you may evoke hostile reactio, which may prove to be the last blow.
Sanity lies in accepting the LOC as the actual border and developing better ties and understanding which will result in de facto unification of both Kashmirs, much to the relief of all the other hapless people of the subcontinent.
One last thing, if everything is to be decided by religion, be ready to accept the 120 million non Kashmiri muslims in India, along with the whole of Kashmir. Much as I hate to say this ( because I am a slef avowed secularist believing in the US way and also Indian way of separating state from religion), I cant help it, because you cleansed you country of virtaully all Hindus, on the basis of religion leaving a big chunk of your co religonist in India, who by the virtue of having
a common religion and also being your blood relations ( many have half their families in Pak)
are in a state of confusion about their loyalty to India and their enchantment of an Islamic country.
Think over these options. The choice is with you, whether you want yurself and us to live in peace or in a perennial state of conflict.
Regards,
Satyavadi
#134 Posted by mnkhan58 on April 24, 1999 2:48:33 pm
To Sensible Pakistani and Bangladeshi writers:
I see we are derailed from the main issue from time to time. I appreciate OMAR1974 when he wrote in another thread to de-Ziaul Haqify the Pakistani military machine.
That is our point. From 1958 till today the Pakistani military establishment is highly controlled by the ghosts of Ayub, Yahya and Ziaul Haq clique.
It is not a case of Bangladeshi people vs. Pakistani people. Was there mob violence where non-Bengali innocent civilians got killed by Bengalis in 1971? Yes, there were. Was there instances of innocent Bengalis got killed by angry Urdu speaking mobs in 1971? Yes, there were many such cases. But one wrong act does not justify to do another wrong. We are talking about Pakistani army junta of 1971 which never represented the common man of Pakistan.
So we may blame the Pakistani army rulers of 1971 and their cohorts as we blame the military juntas of Chile, Guatemala, Argentina for human rights violation.
Unfortunately the ordinary citizens of former West Pakistan were kept in the dark about the magnitude of the Pak army atrocity in 1971. I thing the time is now ripe to get to the bottom of it and clear it once for all. Quite a few Pakistani writers discussed about the atrocity in Baluchistan engineered by the so-called ``Butcher of Baluchistan``, Lt. General Tikka Khan. The same Tikka Khan was instrumental in letting loose his army attack the Dacca University Professors` Houses on the black night of the 25th March, 1925. The Bangladeshi concerned citizens are ready to share notes with their Pakistani counterparts about the criminal acts of the ``Butcher of Baluchistan``. Is there any listener ready to give his/her 10 cents regarding the atrocity in Baluchistan?
Sincerely,
Mohammad Nawaz Khan
I see we are derailed from the main issue from time to time. I appreciate OMAR1974 when he wrote in another thread to de-Ziaul Haqify the Pakistani military machine.
That is our point. From 1958 till today the Pakistani military establishment is highly controlled by the ghosts of Ayub, Yahya and Ziaul Haq clique.
It is not a case of Bangladeshi people vs. Pakistani people. Was there mob violence where non-Bengali innocent civilians got killed by Bengalis in 1971? Yes, there were. Was there instances of innocent Bengalis got killed by angry Urdu speaking mobs in 1971? Yes, there were many such cases. But one wrong act does not justify to do another wrong. We are talking about Pakistani army junta of 1971 which never represented the common man of Pakistan.
So we may blame the Pakistani army rulers of 1971 and their cohorts as we blame the military juntas of Chile, Guatemala, Argentina for human rights violation.
Unfortunately the ordinary citizens of former West Pakistan were kept in the dark about the magnitude of the Pak army atrocity in 1971. I thing the time is now ripe to get to the bottom of it and clear it once for all. Quite a few Pakistani writers discussed about the atrocity in Baluchistan engineered by the so-called ``Butcher of Baluchistan``, Lt. General Tikka Khan. The same Tikka Khan was instrumental in letting loose his army attack the Dacca University Professors` Houses on the black night of the 25th March, 1925. The Bangladeshi concerned citizens are ready to share notes with their Pakistani counterparts about the criminal acts of the ``Butcher of Baluchistan``. Is there any listener ready to give his/her 10 cents regarding the atrocity in Baluchistan?
Sincerely,
Mohammad Nawaz Khan
#136 Posted by khokan on April 25, 1999 2:01:00 am
I must commend Mr. Jamal Hasan`s for his excellent analysis in the article, ``Balkan Tragedy: A Re-enactment of the 1971 Genocide.`` The article says it all and doesn`t need my comments to make it any more explicit. But I do wish to comment on Reply #5 by Ras Siddiqui which, I believe, diverts our attention in the wrong direction.
#137 Posted by khokan on April 25, 1999 2:02:00 am
I must commend Mr. Jamal Hasan`s for his excellent analysis in the article, ``Balkan Tragedy: A Re-enactment of the 1971 Genocide.`` The article says it all and doesn`t need my comments to make it any more explicit. But I do wish to comment on Reply #5 by Ras Siddiqui which, I believe, diverts our attention in the wrong direction.
#138 Posted by khokan on April 25, 1999 2:04:30 am
I must commend Mr. Jamal Hasan`s for his excellent analysis in the article, ``Balkan Tragedy: A Re-enactment of the 1971 Genocide.`` The article says it all and doesn`t need my comments to make it any more explicit. But I do wish to comment on Reply #5 by Ras Siddiqui which, I believe, diverts our attention in the wrong direction.
#139 Posted by rishi on April 25, 1999 2:12:49 am
Re: Omar1947
My, My....all those frustrations, all those name-callings might give you a high BP my friend. Tone down for your sake will ya.
Now let us look at how much depraved you have become in the course of these postings. You have called, all Bengalis `traitors`, all Bengalis `fit to be shot`, India is Ugly, India is Evil, India is Hypocritical etc., etc.,
And all this while you would not take a look at yourself in the mirror. But then, for a moment i would have thought that here is a young lad who loves his nation so much that he is angered by all those nations that have wrought havoc on his. That is entirely admissible, that too when you are still fresh. Yes, i would have indeed given that consideration but for your subsequent postings.
You are not really bothered about pakistan since you did blame all other pakistanis except your dear uncle. So finally, your arguments just boil down to pure nepotism. You are not being faithful to even your country but only to your family which is the way politics is run in the sub-continent. I guess when you go to bed, you dream of your family`s glorious past and feel sorry for yourself that you are nobody like your forefathers. Well that is the truth,. In these times no one can live on borrowed glory and legacy. And basking in all those perceived glorious past, you spit venom on others who beg to differ from you.
Now that i know your true colors, i would not even bother to reply to further postings by you.
You are not worth it my dear misguided kiddo.
Rishi
My, My....all those frustrations, all those name-callings might give you a high BP my friend. Tone down for your sake will ya.
Now let us look at how much depraved you have become in the course of these postings. You have called, all Bengalis `traitors`, all Bengalis `fit to be shot`, India is Ugly, India is Evil, India is Hypocritical etc., etc.,
And all this while you would not take a look at yourself in the mirror. But then, for a moment i would have thought that here is a young lad who loves his nation so much that he is angered by all those nations that have wrought havoc on his. That is entirely admissible, that too when you are still fresh. Yes, i would have indeed given that consideration but for your subsequent postings.
You are not really bothered about pakistan since you did blame all other pakistanis except your dear uncle. So finally, your arguments just boil down to pure nepotism. You are not being faithful to even your country but only to your family which is the way politics is run in the sub-continent. I guess when you go to bed, you dream of your family`s glorious past and feel sorry for yourself that you are nobody like your forefathers. Well that is the truth,. In these times no one can live on borrowed glory and legacy. And basking in all those perceived glorious past, you spit venom on others who beg to differ from you.
Now that i know your true colors, i would not even bother to reply to further postings by you.
You are not worth it my dear misguided kiddo.
Rishi
#141 Posted by rishi on April 25, 1999 2:12:49 am
Re: Omar1947
you write ``A vivid discription of Bengali Ghaddari follows.Bengalis were the real war criminals and traitors
They deserved fully to be shot. If we had to do it over agin, I would personally see to it myself.
The only good Bengali wearing a Pakistani army uniform in 90% of the cases in East Pakistan in 1971 was a dead Bengali. The truth is, the Pakistan army was too soft on them. You people have SOME NERVE talking about war crimes. Look at your own. Everything that was done was completely justifiable. I stand by Z.A Khan`s actions PROUDLY. ``
-- you have some nerve to write that. let me tell you something. With such an attitude you would live in a perennial state of hypertension and regrets over a misplaced legacy. Pakistan had to be ruled by people like your uncle .. and you .. no wonder your state is like this.
-- I did not defend India`s annexation of any state. My issue is India annexed all the states including kashmir with the consent of the people (majority ). With kashmir we have a unfinished business of a plebiscite. Pakistan screwed this up by occupying another part of kashmir. If you want to talk for the kashmiris. First liberate your part of kashmir and make it into a seperate country or conduct a UN sponsored Plebiscite there. Or if you want to adhere to UN resolutions, first vacate your troops since that is the overriding prerequisite. You can`t have the cake and eat it too. Not given the state at which you are even with your nukes. You can eat nukes, even though you gave a shot at grass.
After deriding Nehru, you seem to draw some perverse pleasure in quoting your direct relationship with him and your family`s access to some notes from him. Funny, you need Nehru to confer validity on your family.
And you praise yourself on your intellectual abilities. And then you go off track and sprout nonsense after consulting your paperback concise edition of shakespear and warn and threaten others not to answer back and you claim absolute knowledge on all these areas.
I am no intellectual , that`s perhaps why i am writing to you. Ever wondered why some of the best critics and most knowledgeable individuals who contribute to chowk do not answer your postings ? Probably they know that an empty vessel makes the most noise.
If your uncle was anything like you, i would not even give him the benefit of doubt which he really deserves to be judged over his war time activities. You give him more disgrace than any reputation. If he was anything like you, no wonder he lost the war
Rishi
Rishi
you write ``A vivid discription of Bengali Ghaddari follows.Bengalis were the real war criminals and traitors
They deserved fully to be shot. If we had to do it over agin, I would personally see to it myself.
The only good Bengali wearing a Pakistani army uniform in 90% of the cases in East Pakistan in 1971 was a dead Bengali. The truth is, the Pakistan army was too soft on them. You people have SOME NERVE talking about war crimes. Look at your own. Everything that was done was completely justifiable. I stand by Z.A Khan`s actions PROUDLY. ``
-- you have some nerve to write that. let me tell you something. With such an attitude you would live in a perennial state of hypertension and regrets over a misplaced legacy. Pakistan had to be ruled by people like your uncle .. and you .. no wonder your state is like this.
-- I did not defend India`s annexation of any state. My issue is India annexed all the states including kashmir with the consent of the people (majority ). With kashmir we have a unfinished business of a plebiscite. Pakistan screwed this up by occupying another part of kashmir. If you want to talk for the kashmiris. First liberate your part of kashmir and make it into a seperate country or conduct a UN sponsored Plebiscite there. Or if you want to adhere to UN resolutions, first vacate your troops since that is the overriding prerequisite. You can`t have the cake and eat it too. Not given the state at which you are even with your nukes. You can eat nukes, even though you gave a shot at grass.
After deriding Nehru, you seem to draw some perverse pleasure in quoting your direct relationship with him and your family`s access to some notes from him. Funny, you need Nehru to confer validity on your family.
And you praise yourself on your intellectual abilities. And then you go off track and sprout nonsense after consulting your paperback concise edition of shakespear and warn and threaten others not to answer back and you claim absolute knowledge on all these areas.
I am no intellectual , that`s perhaps why i am writing to you. Ever wondered why some of the best critics and most knowledgeable individuals who contribute to chowk do not answer your postings ? Probably they know that an empty vessel makes the most noise.
If your uncle was anything like you, i would not even give him the benefit of doubt which he really deserves to be judged over his war time activities. You give him more disgrace than any reputation. If he was anything like you, no wonder he lost the war
Rishi
Rishi
#142 Posted by rishi on April 25, 1999 2:12:49 am
Re: Omar1947
you write ``A vivid discription of Bengali Ghaddari follows.Bengalis were the real war criminals and traitors
They deserved fully to be shot. If we had to do it over agin, I would personally see to it myself.
The only good Bengali wearing a Pakistani army uniform in 90% of the cases in East Pakistan in 1971 was a dead Bengali. The truth is, the Pakistan army was too soft on them. You people have SOME NERVE talking about war crimes. Look at your own. Everything that was done was completely justifiable. I stand by Z.A Khan`s actions PROUDLY. ``
-- you have some nerve to write that. let me tell you something. With such an attitude you would live in a perennial state of hypertension and regrets over a misplaced legacy. Pakistan had to be ruled by people like your uncle .. and you .. no wonder your state is like this.
-- I did not defend India`s annexation of any state. My issue is India annexed all the states including kashmir with the consent of the people (majority ). With kashmir we have a unfinished business of a plebiscite. Pakistan screwed this up by occupying another part of kashmir. If you want to talk for the kashmiris. First liberate your part of kashmir and make it into a seperate country or conduct a UN sponsored Plebiscite there. Or if you want to adhere to UN resolutions, first vacate your troops since that is the overriding prerequisite. You can`t have the cake and eat it too. Not given the state at which you are even with your nukes. You can eat nukes, even though you gave a shot at grass.
After deriding Nehru, you seem to draw some perverse pleasure in quoting your direct relationship with him and your family`s access to some notes from him. Funny, you need Nehru to confer validity on your family.
And you praise yourself on your intellectual abilities. And then you go off track and sprout nonsense after consulting your paperback concise edition of shakespear and warn and threaten others not to answer back and you claim absolute knowledge on all these areas.
I am no intellectual , that`s perhaps why i am writing to you. Ever wondered why some of the best critics and most knowledgeable individuals who contribute to chowk do not answer your postings ? Probably they know that an empty vessel makes the most noise.
If your uncle was anything like you, i would not even give him the benefit of doubt which he really deserves to be judged over his war time activities. You give him more disgrace than any reputation. If he was anything like you, no wonder he lost the war
Rishi
Rishi
you write ``A vivid discription of Bengali Ghaddari follows.Bengalis were the real war criminals and traitors
They deserved fully to be shot. If we had to do it over agin, I would personally see to it myself.
The only good Bengali wearing a Pakistani army uniform in 90% of the cases in East Pakistan in 1971 was a dead Bengali. The truth is, the Pakistan army was too soft on them. You people have SOME NERVE talking about war crimes. Look at your own. Everything that was done was completely justifiable. I stand by Z.A Khan`s actions PROUDLY. ``
-- you have some nerve to write that. let me tell you something. With such an attitude you would live in a perennial state of hypertension and regrets over a misplaced legacy. Pakistan had to be ruled by people like your uncle .. and you .. no wonder your state is like this.
-- I did not defend India`s annexation of any state. My issue is India annexed all the states including kashmir with the consent of the people (majority ). With kashmir we have a unfinished business of a plebiscite. Pakistan screwed this up by occupying another part of kashmir. If you want to talk for the kashmiris. First liberate your part of kashmir and make it into a seperate country or conduct a UN sponsored Plebiscite there. Or if you want to adhere to UN resolutions, first vacate your troops since that is the overriding prerequisite. You can`t have the cake and eat it too. Not given the state at which you are even with your nukes. You can eat nukes, even though you gave a shot at grass.
After deriding Nehru, you seem to draw some perverse pleasure in quoting your direct relationship with him and your family`s access to some notes from him. Funny, you need Nehru to confer validity on your family.
And you praise yourself on your intellectual abilities. And then you go off track and sprout nonsense after consulting your paperback concise edition of shakespear and warn and threaten others not to answer back and you claim absolute knowledge on all these areas.
I am no intellectual , that`s perhaps why i am writing to you. Ever wondered why some of the best critics and most knowledgeable individuals who contribute to chowk do not answer your postings ? Probably they know that an empty vessel makes the most noise.
If your uncle was anything like you, i would not even give him the benefit of doubt which he really deserves to be judged over his war time activities. You give him more disgrace than any reputation. If he was anything like you, no wonder he lost the war
Rishi
Rishi
#143 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 25, 1999 3:51:17 pm
Regarding Rishi`s Comments
Frankly Rishi, you`re an ass. Don`t call me kiddo.
How old are you anyway? Your Country`s leadership has ALWAYS BEEN HYPOCRITICAL. That is a fact and if you don`t like it, just check out Kissinger and Nixon`s Memoirs and see what they say about your country`s leadership.
And frankly (and I mean this as RUDELY as possible), I don`t need a lecture by you on whether those who spilt thei blood for Pakistan (against its enemies be they foreign or domestic) and spent their lives building it, and thus dashed any dreams of `Akhand Bharat` Indians had
for good, are `War Criminals` or not.
You need to grow up and as I stated earlier look at India`s true face in the mirror. Bengalis including Major Zia-Ur-Rehman WERE TRAITORS to Pakistan in 1971, I`m not saying they are traitors today in 1999. Obviously the question of continued `treason` was resolved when Pakistan recognized Bengladesh as a Sovereign entity. And this is precisely why the Geneva Conventions DO NOT APPLY to the justified killing of anyone who was a Bangali and wore a Pakistani Army, or East Pakistan Rifles Uniform. International law is on MY SIDE in this. Since Z.A Khan did not kill any unarmed civilians, nor is there any proof that he did so, the charge of his being someone who fits the `profile of a war criminal` is baseless.
As for Pakistan, and the mess it is in today, I have ZERO illusions about it. If you`ll note earlier in the debate I said it would have been better for Mujib to have become P.M of United Pakistan, the problem was he wasn`t exactly trusted to keep the country together, and he proved why. As for Nehru, he was a hypocrite. Thats my point. Preaching one thing, like most Indian leaders, and doing another. There is a good caricature of the duplicitous, cunning Hindu, it doesn`t exist for nothing.
Don`t worry about my ability to deal with you or with any other Indians. I know exactly what language you understand best. As for the comment that Z.A Khan `lost`, E.Pakistan, that is the most laughable comment of all. A) He wasn`t there by the Summer of 1971, B)He wasn`t the senior general, the `jackal` A.K `Tiger` Niazi was.
As for Kashmir, frankly my post #128 clearly explains WHY INDIA is a nation of duplicitious hypocrites THRU an analysis of its policies. Those who formulated these policies can only be called deserving of the name hypocrites. Call a Spade a Spade. You need to look in the mirror. Its your country of birth.
Frankly, since you decided to make personal insults I`ll tell you what. I`m not going to reply in kind. But, I`ll be delighted to sort you out in person. Anytime you`re coming my way to N.Y in the next few years, we can meet someplace and I can bash your head in for you. Mono a Mono.
Kiss my ass
Omar
Frankly Rishi, you`re an ass. Don`t call me kiddo.
How old are you anyway? Your Country`s leadership has ALWAYS BEEN HYPOCRITICAL. That is a fact and if you don`t like it, just check out Kissinger and Nixon`s Memoirs and see what they say about your country`s leadership.
And frankly (and I mean this as RUDELY as possible), I don`t need a lecture by you on whether those who spilt thei blood for Pakistan (against its enemies be they foreign or domestic) and spent their lives building it, and thus dashed any dreams of `Akhand Bharat` Indians had
for good, are `War Criminals` or not.
You need to grow up and as I stated earlier look at India`s true face in the mirror. Bengalis including Major Zia-Ur-Rehman WERE TRAITORS to Pakistan in 1971, I`m not saying they are traitors today in 1999. Obviously the question of continued `treason` was resolved when Pakistan recognized Bengladesh as a Sovereign entity. And this is precisely why the Geneva Conventions DO NOT APPLY to the justified killing of anyone who was a Bangali and wore a Pakistani Army, or East Pakistan Rifles Uniform. International law is on MY SIDE in this. Since Z.A Khan did not kill any unarmed civilians, nor is there any proof that he did so, the charge of his being someone who fits the `profile of a war criminal` is baseless.
As for Pakistan, and the mess it is in today, I have ZERO illusions about it. If you`ll note earlier in the debate I said it would have been better for Mujib to have become P.M of United Pakistan, the problem was he wasn`t exactly trusted to keep the country together, and he proved why. As for Nehru, he was a hypocrite. Thats my point. Preaching one thing, like most Indian leaders, and doing another. There is a good caricature of the duplicitous, cunning Hindu, it doesn`t exist for nothing.
Don`t worry about my ability to deal with you or with any other Indians. I know exactly what language you understand best. As for the comment that Z.A Khan `lost`, E.Pakistan, that is the most laughable comment of all. A) He wasn`t there by the Summer of 1971, B)He wasn`t the senior general, the `jackal` A.K `Tiger` Niazi was.
As for Kashmir, frankly my post #128 clearly explains WHY INDIA is a nation of duplicitious hypocrites THRU an analysis of its policies. Those who formulated these policies can only be called deserving of the name hypocrites. Call a Spade a Spade. You need to look in the mirror. Its your country of birth.
Frankly, since you decided to make personal insults I`ll tell you what. I`m not going to reply in kind. But, I`ll be delighted to sort you out in person. Anytime you`re coming my way to N.Y in the next few years, we can meet someplace and I can bash your head in for you. Mono a Mono.
Kiss my ass
Omar
#144 Posted by OMAR1974 on April 25, 1999 3:51:17 pm
Rishi says:
Now let us look at how much depraved you have become in the course of these postings. You have called, all Bengalis `traitors`, all Bengalis `fit to be shot`, India is Ugly, India is Evil, India is Hypocritical etc., etc.,
Response: Thanks for doing the typical Hindu act. It seems you cannot outgrow your gene pool. Mischaracterizing what I actually said, that of ALL BENGALIS In Pakistan ARMY UNIFORM IN 1971, 90% were traitors. This is a FACT. I did not say ALL Bengalis per se, although that too could be justified by others. And I certainly stand by my assertions that India is a hagemonic power, an Evil Empire that only understand one language; the use of force. And these are not the off the cuff remarks of a ‘kid’, but the well considered remarks of an young adult who has actually delved deeply and carefully enough into the past to know the truth. As for my willingness to ignore the role of other Pakistani Commanders, well, they should answer for themselves for their conduct, if their consciences trouble them in the slightest. As for my ‘depravity’, its based on a reaction to the brutality and the incredible depravity of the crimes committed by Bengalis against West Pakistani CIVILIANS, in 1971 in East Pakistan. I am well aware of the macabre details of all alleged crimes committed by Pakistani forces in 1971. I read quite a few books authored by Bengali authors dealing with the subject. I also read U.S State dept reports in 1971, and many other resources available on the conflict including N.Y Times etc. I am not afraid of the truth. But those who demand ‘War Crimes’ trials should be made well aware of the (quite literally) numerous Skeletons in their own closets. Similarly, those who preach ‘ahimsa’ should be confronted with their duplicity. One must give the devil his due.
Now let us look at how much depraved you have become in the course of these postings. You have called, all Bengalis `traitors`, all Bengalis `fit to be shot`, India is Ugly, India is Evil, India is Hypocritical etc., etc.,
Response: Thanks for doing the typical Hindu act. It seems you cannot outgrow your gene pool. Mischaracterizing what I actually said, that of ALL BENGALIS In Pakistan ARMY UNIFORM IN 1971, 90% were traitors. This is a FACT. I did not say ALL Bengalis per se, although that too could be justified by others. And I certainly stand by my assertions that India is a hagemonic power, an Evil Empire that only understand one language; the use of force. And these are not the off the cuff remarks of a ‘kid’, but the well considered remarks of an young adult who has actually delved deeply and carefully enough into the past to know the truth. As for my willingness to ignore the role of other Pakistani Commanders, well, they should answer for themselves for their conduct, if their consciences trouble them in the slightest. As for my ‘depravity’, its based on a reaction to the brutality and the incredible depravity of the crimes committed by Bengalis against West Pakistani CIVILIANS, in 1971 in East Pakistan. I am well aware of the macabre details of all alleged crimes committed by Pakistani forces in 1971. I read quite a few books authored by Bengali authors dealing with the subject. I also read U.S State dept reports in 1971, and many other resources available on the conflict including N.Y Times etc. I am not afraid of the truth. But those who demand ‘War Crimes’ trials should be made well aware of the (quite literally) numerous Skeletons in their own closets. Similarly, those who preach ‘ahimsa’ should be confronted with their duplicity. One must give the devil his due.
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