Vajpayee Toppled

We are cursed with this feudalism .....

we ELECT our feudal masters and their dynasties.

to #18 mohajir

Hey just wondering, where you saw Vajpayee`s speech assuming you are in Pakistan, was it telecast on Star TV. Me being in the US couldnot see any thing at all.

Thanks

Satyavadi

Mr. Yousuf Baig writes: The change of government in India will further destabilise the relationship between our two countries. The defeat of the BJP party by 270 to 269 votes in the Lok Sabha has a lot to say about the power of democracy in India. The BJP had been in power for 13 months and was India`s fifth government since 1996. India`s President K.R.Narayanan has accepted the resignation of Mr.Vajpayee and has asked him to continue in office until an alternate government has been formed.

When the BJP came to power most Pakistanis felt that we were about to see a right-wing Hindu fundamentalist party leading India into the dark ages. We have all been pleasantly surprised. We associated the BJP with the repulsive figure of Mr. Advani. In fact we found out that the real power in the party was Mr. Vajpayee. Nawaz Sharif has a lot to be grateful for Mr.Vajpayee`s foresight. He was the first Indian leader to acknowledge publicly that the Kashmir issue had to be resolved if there was ever to be peace between India and Pakistan. By signing the Lahore agreement in February this year he did more for Indo-Pakistan relations than any politician since partition. Seeing Mr Vajpayee on television giving his speech in the Lok Sabha after his defeat, one suddenly realised that this was a man that Pakistan could do business with. His final words were very moving: ``I feel Free.``

Pakistan now faces another dilema. The new Indian government will probaly be formed by the Congress Party or as I would like to call it the Nehru Dynasty. Sonia Gandhi the Italian wife of the assassinated Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi knows as much about Indian politics as most Indians know about nuclear physics. The Congress Party has always given Pakistan a bad time. All the good work that has been done in the last year specially in relation to the Kashmir issue will probably be undone.

# to squreshi

Your logic is flawed. If Southerners were not allowed to be PMs then, Deve Gowda would not have been able to be the PM, though he lacked national appeal.

Also, if you remember there was a proposal of making Moopanar( from Tamil Nadu)the Pm after the fall of Deve Gowda, but it was shot down by Karunanidhi ( chief minister of TN) due to state politics compulsions.

The real reason is that the Gandhi dynasty has ruled for 40 years in the independent history of India of 52 years and thats why people from many states havent got a chance to become the PM. If we root out the dynasty, then we will certainly see Sharad Pawar (dark skinned) or P.Chidamabaram or any accomplished southerner or say P. A. Sangma

(North Eastern Christian- Mongoloid race) as PM.. And dont forget we had PV Narsimharao ( Southerner) as PM and he was popular before the flurry of corruption charges.

The point is that, this dynasty is a menace to the Indian democracy and must be routed out. We have had too many kings and Badshahs and Sultans,no we want true leaders, who lead us by virute of their qualities or political acumen, not because they are related to a particular family.

I hope, Indian electorate routs Sonia in the next election, just to give a clear message that..``No MORE DYNASTIC RULE``..

And I think that in the educated voters there is certainly a certain dislike for Sonia, because of her foreign origins and inexperience as well as because she belongs to the dynasty. But vast majority of the rural voters will hail her, and so India will be plunged into dynastic rule once more.

GOD SAVE INDIA FROM THIS PARASITIC DYNASTY- GANDHI FAMILY.

UNDER SONIA`S RULE THE TITLES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS :

MAHARANI SONIA GANDHI

YUVRANI : PRIYANKA GANDHI

YUVRAJ: RAHUL GANDHI

VAZIR E AZAM : QUATTROCHI

DAS:

CONGRESS KE SAARE NETA

BECHARI PRAJA( JANTA)

INDIAN POPULATION

Ab to is desh ko Allahhi bacha sakta hai.

Really disillusioned Indian.,,..

Satyavadi

We cannot allow Sonia Gandhi to become PM. Indian law is not categorical in this matter but it is important to make this change.

And for the debate I would add we cannot accept Priyanka either as prime minister for the reason that we have absolutely no knowledge of her notions or preferences.

The only argument that can be logically made is that, a person cannot be disqualified by law, for the reason that one or both of the parents of the person were of foreign origin.

But that cannot amount to accepting the person as prime minister. There is a huge difference. It is a known fact that Sonia had little interest in India`s salvation. She did not even apply for Indian citizenship until Rajiv became prime minister.

Is it not reasonable to question the loyalties and purposes of Priyanka or Rahul, if and when their names are proposed for prime ministership. (of India i.e.).

There has been a lot of comments on the ethnic orgins of Sonia Gandhi and whether those qualify her to be an Indian Prime Minister.

The color of Sonia Gandhi`s skin or her Italian heritage has no bearing on her abilities to govern India. The two are not related and neither should they be considered as a requirement for holding public office. As to her political experience, in this I agree with Jawahara and it should be on the merits of this issue that she should be judged as a political candidate. Both India and Pakistan have been dominated by political families which tend to rule the under the false understanding that it is their devine right to do so. I think Jawahara is right when she states that this habit of bequeating the nation`s future to family members has to stop.

What ever her policies might be or how ever they turn out, Sonia Gandhi is not the sine qua non of Indian politics. In India, unlike its neighbor Pakistan, individual personalities do not matter, but the insitutions of the state do. India has secure political insitutions that can quite easily survive a bad leader and it has the ability to correct its own mistakes without lurching into more dire situations.

If there is a lesson to be learned from this vote of no confidence in India, it should be that the insitutions matter, in a country, and not the color of a person`s skin. In the end, whether Sonia fails as a leader or not is a moot point, because of the insitutional reasons already stated.

Certainly Sonia Gandhi is the *last * person I would want to be PM of India. Lingering colonialism, the white/dark issues, etc. Besides I do not think that she is fit to be a leader just because she happened to marry a Gandhi, because she has zero experience on her merit, and yes, because she cannot relate to the common Indian at all.

The problem I had with the original post was none of that. Even though I wish all the Gandhis would just disappear because I want this dynasty to loosen its grip, this practice of questioning the Indianness of Indian citizens who were born and brought up in India is what I find offensive.

It wont make a difference for us in south. For us Sonia is as much white as other northerns.

Why a Madrasi or Tamil never get a chance. Its all skin..........

It is Bizzaare!

When a South Indian like Deva Gowda becomes the prime minister, the North Indians complain that he cannot speak Hindi. They are unwilling to consider anyone who does not speak Hindi as an Indian although he is from the same soil.

Now we are going to have some one who barely speaks the `national language` as the prime minister!

One more thing. Human beings are complex. Just because some one loves and marries a person of a different race does not mean that he or she may not have racist feelings. In fact, I know a white man who has a Punjabi girlfriend. He has problems accepting people who are very dark. His relationship with this girl from India has created a lot of conflicts in his own mind. Have you ever come across whites who complain to you about people from India/Pakistan and saying that `you are not like them..`

Am I sensing that some people are happy with sonia becoming the prime minister of our great country. Grrreat....I think we need some gori skin to lead our pathetic country and our pathetic people. We really need a person who barely speaks our language, who cannot relate to Diwali or Ramzan, who has political and public life experience as much as me and definitely a

white skin. Given the fact that all congress criminals have become hijras and all our people are born slaves, we really need a gora/gori malik to show us the path to wisdom. All congressmen

are not men enough now to be able to find an Indian to lead their party.

And as always, our indian public are born slaves and destined to remain that way. May be god is showing some mercy on us. Really.. looking back I feel that only a gora is a real hope to our country. It is a gora who told us that there is a world outside, he brought us locomotives, he told us something about printing press and we need him now to push us from 19th century to 20th century. I thank the Almighty god for giving us hope in the form of a gora. So, we should not hate whites... we should love them and involuntarily submit ourselves as slaves.

BTW - whites apply the term ``Indians`` to mean the people who work under them.

Re: Ahmed , Jawahara and Veeresh.

Veeresh :

Agree wholeheartedly with you on most of it, but not the anglo indian bit alone. I have had anglo indian friends who have been completely indian and are indeed indians as much as a brahmin or a muslim.

Jawahara :

Having said the above, I do have a feeling looking at the coterie that Sonia has around her that she might probably have a colonial disdain towards the ``black`` Indians. And could this be a reason why there might be a preference for some kind of european lineage being associated in her family ? Don`t mark me wrong, i am all out for ManMohan Singh or A George Fernandes for the post of the PM. In fact they can do Indian secularism a world of good. But something does not appear okay when you are really not the son/daughter of the soil.

Ahmed :

Pakistan has had nuclear capability for quite some time now and the Indian Policy makers do know it. It is only now they brought it out into the open. Does not change any status though.

Iconoclast

Poor Veeresh. Hates whites. Holds it against Sonia that her father was a grocer and not a Royal Navy Admiral (well excu-u-u-se me).

Back to the serious talk: Perhaps the biggest legacy of BJP will be on how they brilliantly managed to bring Pakistan at military par with India by escalating the military balance from conventional weapons, where Pakistan could never have matched India, to nuclear weapons.

Veeresh, what exactly are Anglo-Indian tinted glasses? (loose paraphrasing of your comment). Was the guy born in India? That is the only answer needed. If we speak of glasses then we need to address all the identities floating around in India: hindu, muslim, parsi, different states etc. Who decides which one qualifies as being truly Indian? And then, does that mean that a particular leader speaks only of her/his group?

I have no problem with your colonialism argument and the biases of the Western world, but when we start second guessing the loyalty of our own subjects we, as a nation, are in trouble.

Reg Reply#1:

This guy Veeresh Malik is a bigot. I have seen enough of his postings to see he is reflexively anti-white and anti-west.

Having said that, Sonia is a poor choice. For a brief moment, I thought with her patient style of rebuilding the Congress, she would move Congress away from the power grabbing mentality that has so defined the COngress recently. But the manner in which she has made common cause with Jayalalitha shows she is cut from the same cloth. She is just any another power-hungry Congresswallah.

Here is the irony of this whole sorry episode. As long as the BJP was making a spectacle of itself with its ham-handed handling of various issues such as anti-Christian violence, the Congress was happy to let the BJP stay in power and twist in the wind.

As soon as BJP start at least talking a little responsibly with the Lahore diplomacy etc., the COngress pulled the rug under it. It was unhappy to see the BJP move towards the centre and with it bring the right-wing Hindus closer to some understanding with Pakistan. This was good for the country and good for South Asia but it would have marginalized the Congress.

And to the Congress, more important than the country is the fate of individuals. Its a shameless power-grab.

So in the topsy-turvy world that is India, the lousier the performance of the BJP, the longer it would have lasted. The better it performed, like a lot of crabs, the other parties would have to pull it down. That is what happened.

From a never BJP supporter/ maybe Congress supporter, I have been converted to a maybe BJP / never Congress. However, BJP must apologize for BAbri Masjid and not construct a temple before it gets my support.

Reg Reply#1:

This guy Veeresh Malik is a bigot. I have seen enough of his postings to see he is reflexively anti-white and anti-west.

Having said that, Sonia is a poor choice. For a brief moment, I thought with her patient style of rebuilding the Congress, she would move Congress away from the power grabbing mentality that has so defined the COngress recently. But the manner in which she has made common cause with Jayalalitha shows she is cut from the same cloth. She is just any another power-hungry Congresswallah.

Here is the irony of this whole sorry episode. As long as the BJP was making a spectacle of itself with its ham-handed handling of various issues such as anti-Christian violence, the Congress was happy to let the BJP stay in power and twist in the wind.

As soon as BJP start at least talking a little responsibly with the Lahore diplomacy etc., the COngress pulled the rug under it. It was unhappy to see the BJP move towards the centre and with it bring the right-wing Hindus closer to some understanding with Pakistan. This was good for the country and good for South Asia but it would have marginalized the Congress.

And to the Congress, more important than the country is the fate of individuals. Its a shameless power-grab.

So in the topsy-turvy world that is India, the lousier the performance of the BJP, the longer it would have lasted. The better it performed, like a lot of crabs, the other parties would have to pull it down. That is what happened.

From a never BJP supporter/ maybe Congress supporter, I have been converted to a maybe BJP / never Congress. However, BJP must apologize for BAbri Masjid and not construct a temple before it gets my support.

This refers to Veeresh`s post. While I agree with the central thesis that Sonia Gandhi is not fit to be an Indian political leader, some aspects of the post bothered me.

Primarily Rahul`s engagement to an Argentinian and Priyanka`s marriage with an Anglo-Indian. How exactly does this show their disregard for India and its customs? So, if any Indian marries a person from anywhere except India they are potential traitors? That`s new one. Especially for Priyanka`s husband. The guy *is * Indian, and his identity has been questioned by your post because his name is Robert and not Rajan, I guess. Well, I guess there`s no news there. The whole, tired, only Hindus are true Indians bit.

Having said that, I do oppose Sonia Gandhi`s coming to power. Mainly because she is not a politician, her only credentials are her last name, and because, yes, I do not want someone who was not born in India to lead us. It also smacks too much of our colonial roots, where the great white goddess (in this case) looks after us.