Loyal to Pakistan? Why?

Mr Ahsan is a typical ``ABCD wanna be`` ...

born in Pakistan, lived in Middle east and moved to the United States ! Did you know that first of all you dont even qualify to become the President of the United States and even if you did ... ``not in a million years``...

What is with us anyway ?? Ghar chaye kitna ganda ho ghar ghar hota hai ... their our problems in Pakistan and yes United States is a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY ... but the vitality of the United States was not sapped by colonialism ..... we have problems because no body cares enough to solve them ... and others like you are too busy with ``their beautiful fiancee) .....

By the way mashallah my family lives in Pakistan and funds my education from there ....

Maybe Mr Ahsan just shares a set of values different from other Pakistanis ... I mean he spoke about sexual preferences didnt he???????

very good,

explain this to all south asians.

only when induvidual people and countries stop bothering about neibours and keep their relegious belifs to themselfs and concentrate on self improvement and community growth there will be a chance for better country.

my oppinion about religion is, it is only a part of life it should never be life it self.

too much religion will become a drug overdose and will harm life it self

This is trash.

Here is one point of view which you may or may not
appreciate:


PAKISTAN

P assionate is this embrace of freedom
A uthentic in its vision of nationhood
K indness is the Indus, tears of happiness on a parched land
I nspiring the beauty of the snow capped Karakorams
S alient is the diversity, total appreciation a difficult task
T ested are the limits of a peoples` romance
A utographed by a new generation of Sufi mystics
N inetynine names of god on there lips

By
Ras H. Siddiqui

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You seem very confused, and angry. Perhaps you are trying to find your own identity. Try as you might, you will never be completely American, or Pakistani. Not that that is important.

Why are you so worried about Pakistanis telling you how to feel about Pakistan? If you don`t like it, just ignore them. There is no reason to put them down.

You give your own reason for not understanding Pakistan, when you state, ``Now, I was born in Pakistan, but I’ve never lived there. I grew up in the Middle East and moved to the United States when I was 16.`` So I doubt you will ever understand Pakistan.

Pakistan has given you one thing, i.e. a passport. You would not have been able to live in the Middle East, or become a naturalized American had you not had that passport. So don`t put it down. It got you this far. You should look at people from Palestine, who don`t have any passport, and see how many problems they have.

If you don`t like someone, ignore them; don`t put them down. That shows your own weaknesses. I did not like the working conditions in Pakistan (due to many of the reasons you have mentioned), so I left and came to America. But that does not mean I have a right to bad-mouth Pakistan. The same holds for you.

dear ahsan,

this isn`t trash. sure you`re trashing things, but it isn`t trash. you have verbalized the feelings many have, and you have done it honestly. as for the somewhat abrasive style, it`s just one more way or promoting debate.
first, since you haven`t been here very often or for very long your feelings are purely surface reactions. i feel the same way about most of the things that you do, but having lived here all my life i have also see the other, more pleasant side of life here which i why here i am and here i will remain.
i understand where the `what has this place does for me that i should feel proud of it` reaction comes from. this place hasn`t done much for you because you haven`t given it an opportunity to. it is not paradise by any strecth of the imagination, but it`s not a true hellhole either. what we are is a nation in it`s infancy, fresh out of labour, struggling to find our feet. sure america has more opportunities and is in many ways a better soceity, but it`s also been around a whole lot longer. do you think nations are born perfect? consider the time, the lives and the effort involved in making great nations what they are.
one of the wonderful things about this country is that there are people here who are willing to make that effort.
i feel bad for all those people who tell you how you should feel about this country, they sound quite silly but, as someone mentioned earlier, dont listen to them. and if the green passport is something you would like to forget, so be it. happy re-inventing.

shandana

I find my self in agreement with my brother Ahsan Ahmed. Surely the point with a girl and a guy is a slap in the face of all of us who still want every luxury and still cant face the truth.

Ahsan

Like your sentiments,I experience the same here everyday with the Pakistani community. And it is also true with the Lebanese, Palestinian, Bangladeshis, Afghanistanis, Saudis, Indonesian, Malaysian, Chinese, Bosnian, Croatian, Tunisian, Algerian and even British anglo saxon expatriats, you name it and I will include it here, communities. Every one of them talk about Australia as a moral, cultural, religious, social and ethical cesspit as compared to their own country but willing to live here for their children sake. I work with all these communities. I guess such wide spread occurence can only be termed tribally instinctive.

Another 20 years down the track when this cadre is dead and burried, their children will grow up to be decent Australian, American etc and will have no ties which will inhibit their mental elevation.

good to hear your point of view

Javed

Ma`an, you must be reaaaalllly popular with your countrymen . . . but then, does that get you extra butter on your bread?

the sad part is that you will never be considered an American nor a Pakistani. So where does that leave you ?....no where. No matter what you have in the states, you will still be considered a foreigner. As far as Pakistan goes, i studied in Amrika, and had a very good opportunity of working over there, but i chose to come back and have a stable and prospering career here. My friends who chose to stay there have everything material they could ever want but they are not happy.

Ahsan, read your piece and I think you are entitled to your opinion. I think your views are a bit jaded about the US and Pakistan. You talk about the US being the land of opportunity regardless of sex, creed, and sexual orientation. I don`t think you have been to Watts or South Central in LA or Hell`s Kitchen in NY. I don`t think you have been pulled over in downtown LA just for being dark. Nor have you taken a road trip through the mid west or the South. Land of Opportunity? for who? Go to an Native Reservation and give them a talk about opportunity, freedom and Liberty. Oh yes, take a troop from the 1st Cav when do that.

As for Pakistan, well you are right about most of the things you said. And I am ashamed for all the intolerance, religious/political and otherwise. Actually its people like you and I (and most ppl at Chowk) who are to blame for what`s happening in pakistan. Until people with brains, voices, and resources don`t do anything don`t expect any change. Live a little, see a little, and then form an educated opinion...it`ll be more readable

Everyone just complains about everything these days. Ahsan i respect ur opnion and decision to never live in Pakistan but please do not gripe about something u r not willing to help. I am a Pakistani and regardless of her faults i am proud. After all the U.S herself excelled upon the back of its people. People who were willing to work for her and build her up, not by individuals constantly expressing their personal woes.

I agree with Ahsan`s view-point. A lot has been said about this topic but I don`t see any hope until the corrupt politicians are in power.

This is a reply to Mr Ahsan Ahmeds point of view on his feelings towards Pakistan.

Congratlautions Mr Ahmed, on your Americian upbringing. It is supprising how Pakistan has survived so long being the state that you claim it is. I am sure that they must be some good people living there who are trying to do the best they can in the best way possible. I wonder what you would have done if you had to live in Pakistan? would You be a person who would start a movement for (lets say) womens rights? or would you be a person responsible for a rape?... I wonder.

The eaistest thing to do (as you have) is to sit on your back and critise. I find that Desi people from the UK, USA, Canada etc are mostly doing this, because of some perverted self justification trip that they may be on, rather like you Mr Ahmed. If you have such sincere feelings, (even about yourself)than I suggest you do something about it. Make a difference, Try to make a difference? Instead of the usual bullshit that may impress your friends.

After reading this you will no-doubt become defensive; but you really need to think about your statements and may be grow up and mature a little before you start embarking on some pesoudal-intellectual trip that you are having at the moment.

Billoo Khan.

Grow up kiddo!! and talk some sense and showsome manners and respect. I think the word ``s h i t`` is a curse that normal educated people don`t use in ``normal`` writing. Your American fellas can tell ya that. By the way, about being the land of opportunities, just read the US history kiddo and get yourself famiiarize with Civil Rights movement! And better yet, visit the great South and you`ll find out the land of opportunity when u are treated like a sand niger!!

Well, it`s never too late to get some self respect for yourself!!