Chowk P Room December 24, 1999
#156 Posted by lakhania on January 2, 2000 11:13:49 am
Chuhan #114
watch your language chuhan.. Chowk is not made to act as a battle ground for indians and pakistanis to fight their differencies out... please dont disapoint us through your attitude..
thanks..
Just a chowkwala..
Adnan.
watch your language chuhan.. Chowk is not made to act as a battle ground for indians and pakistanis to fight their differencies out... please dont disapoint us through your attitude..
thanks..
Just a chowkwala..
Adnan.
#155 Posted by chauhan on January 2, 2000 9:17:31 am
The Taliban have advertised their excellent services for all would be hijackers of the world. Kandahar should be the destination of choice for all of them in future. The Taliban guarantees full protection to the hijackers by deploying tanks, stinger missiles carrying militia so that no government is able to do an Entebbe there. If the HJers fall short of arms, they can be sure of fresh supplies too. A 4 WD is provided for safe getaway and sanctuary in Pakistan is guaranteed.
India should give up the delusion of ever receiving any help from others.They have to learn to stand on their two feet and close down all the embassies in the developed world who anyway care two hoots about all south asians, or anybody else who is non white.
As for Indian atrocities in Kashmir,if India sends militants into say Pakistani Punjab(which will never happen because we are too decent for that,or maybe timid and incompetent also in such matters) who target security forces, I am sure when the Paki security forces go about their job, there will be very few patriotic Pakis left and the word atrocities would be a wholly inadequate one. Why you didn`t even need any such provocation in B`desh.
I am sure many would like to join issues with me on this. No I am not going to sit all night and reply. I will maybe log in after a couple of days and see what the c`wallas have to say.
India should give up the delusion of ever receiving any help from others.They have to learn to stand on their two feet and close down all the embassies in the developed world who anyway care two hoots about all south asians, or anybody else who is non white.
As for Indian atrocities in Kashmir,if India sends militants into say Pakistani Punjab(which will never happen because we are too decent for that,or maybe timid and incompetent also in such matters) who target security forces, I am sure when the Paki security forces go about their job, there will be very few patriotic Pakis left and the word atrocities would be a wholly inadequate one. Why you didn`t even need any such provocation in B`desh.
I am sure many would like to join issues with me on this. No I am not going to sit all night and reply. I will maybe log in after a couple of days and see what the c`wallas have to say.
#154 Posted by lakhania on January 2, 2000 1:42:39 am
As a part of Chowk I am relieved that this nightmare is over and we can look ahead towards the new milleniumn with a new set of Hope and Dreams...
Without darkness there are no dreams... dream on..
Happy Chowkwala...
Adnan.
Without darkness there are no dreams... dream on..
Happy Chowkwala...
Adnan.
#153 Posted by Umairr on January 1, 2000 2:59:38 pm
After all the help Pakistan has provided, Jaswanth Singh still doesn`t seem satisfied.
``Indian FM lays hijack blame on Pakistan
(Updated at 1620 PST)
NEW DELHI: Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh has blamed Pakistan for the hijacking crisis and warned that New Delhi would be seeking retribution, it was disclosed Saturday.
``It is clear that the terrorists and hijackers are going to Quetta,`` Singh said. ``Our initial inquiry reveals that the hijackers are Pakistani nationals and the majority of the terrorists whose release was sought by the hijackers were also Pakistan nationals,`` Singh said. Although he made no specific charge against Islamabad, Singh said New Delhi would be taking up the hijacking issue with the Pakistani authorities in an ``appropriate`` fashion. ``The crime that has been committed shall be retributed and justice sought,`` he added.(NEWS, Pakistan)
I think the Pakistan govt. needs to be on its toes here. Indian could attempt something similar to the killing of 23 innocents in the Navy plane, it carried out a few months ago. This may seem extreme, however the shooting did seem extreme back then as well. It is unfortunate that the Indian govt. tries to blame everything related to Kashmir to Pakistan.
On the whole, I think this time around Pakistan handled the India propoganda machinery, quite well. Pakistan media went on the offensive, as well. One false statement deserves another. I think all Pakistani flights that go to India have armed commandos on them. Perhaps their number should be increased. Also, all Pakistani military aircraft flying close to the border whould have fighter escorts ready, just in case the IAF tries to shoot one down. By the way that case is still with the International Court of Justice. India does not want to participate in it for obvious reasons.
``Indian FM lays hijack blame on Pakistan
(Updated at 1620 PST)
NEW DELHI: Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh has blamed Pakistan for the hijacking crisis and warned that New Delhi would be seeking retribution, it was disclosed Saturday.
``It is clear that the terrorists and hijackers are going to Quetta,`` Singh said. ``Our initial inquiry reveals that the hijackers are Pakistani nationals and the majority of the terrorists whose release was sought by the hijackers were also Pakistan nationals,`` Singh said. Although he made no specific charge against Islamabad, Singh said New Delhi would be taking up the hijacking issue with the Pakistani authorities in an ``appropriate`` fashion. ``The crime that has been committed shall be retributed and justice sought,`` he added.(NEWS, Pakistan)
I think the Pakistan govt. needs to be on its toes here. Indian could attempt something similar to the killing of 23 innocents in the Navy plane, it carried out a few months ago. This may seem extreme, however the shooting did seem extreme back then as well. It is unfortunate that the Indian govt. tries to blame everything related to Kashmir to Pakistan.
On the whole, I think this time around Pakistan handled the India propoganda machinery, quite well. Pakistan media went on the offensive, as well. One false statement deserves another. I think all Pakistani flights that go to India have armed commandos on them. Perhaps their number should be increased. Also, all Pakistani military aircraft flying close to the border whould have fighter escorts ready, just in case the IAF tries to shoot one down. By the way that case is still with the International Court of Justice. India does not want to participate in it for obvious reasons.
#152 Posted by Pardesi on January 1, 2000 2:59:38 pm
Rishi # 109
More violence, and no prisoners, will be the unfortunate outcome of this episode. Soldiers are not retards. They know the game.
Another worrisome outcome is that whole experience will strengthen the hawks that have been making a case for going full scale to inflict pain at the source of trouble.
With the rise in violence, I see chances of general war increasing. Both Indian hawks and the CE would love it and poor people, on both ends, will keep suffering.
More violence, and no prisoners, will be the unfortunate outcome of this episode. Soldiers are not retards. They know the game.
Another worrisome outcome is that whole experience will strengthen the hawks that have been making a case for going full scale to inflict pain at the source of trouble.
With the rise in violence, I see chances of general war increasing. Both Indian hawks and the CE would love it and poor people, on both ends, will keep suffering.
#151 Posted by Umairr on January 1, 2000 2:59:38 pm
``India shall join hands across nations to rid the world of this crime against humanity.`` (Vajpayee, BBC) I hope this applies to the crimes against humanity by the Indian army against the occupied Kashmiris, as well.
#150 Posted by rishi on January 1, 2000 10:39:05 am
Re:
ANY INDIAN HAS ANY SUGGESTION AS TO HOW WE CAN IMPRESS UPON THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT NEVER TO TAKE PRISONERS ALIVE ????
PLEASE RESPOND
RISHI
ANY INDIAN HAS ANY SUGGESTION AS TO HOW WE CAN IMPRESS UPON THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT NEVER TO TAKE PRISONERS ALIVE ????
PLEASE RESPOND
RISHI
#149 Posted by rishi on January 1, 2000 10:39:05 am
Re:
And this is why India should never take prisoners alive. We can atleast keep our jails empty by killing all these militants in action. We should make it our national policy not to take captives. The militants do not take prisoners so when they attack an army patrol. Why should the army take prisoners ?
As a policy we should kill all terrorists in action . a good way to start would be by executing those in the prisons so that we would never have to release anyone..............anytime
the rooster will come home when pakistan is viewed by the international community as another afghanistan....and that is the price pakistan is going to pay for its nefarious deals..
and i am sure that the ever increasing substantial indian community in the western world will use its clout in the near future to impress upon their neighbours, politicians and friends of the countries of their residence about pakistan`s terrorist credentials. the pakistanis are making the job as much easier... already pakistan is recognised my most of the americans i know as a terrorist nation much as they recognise india as a depressingly poor and squalid country.
Expatriate Pakistanis have their work cut out for them....
Rishi
And this is why India should never take prisoners alive. We can atleast keep our jails empty by killing all these militants in action. We should make it our national policy not to take captives. The militants do not take prisoners so when they attack an army patrol. Why should the army take prisoners ?
As a policy we should kill all terrorists in action . a good way to start would be by executing those in the prisons so that we would never have to release anyone..............anytime
the rooster will come home when pakistan is viewed by the international community as another afghanistan....and that is the price pakistan is going to pay for its nefarious deals..
and i am sure that the ever increasing substantial indian community in the western world will use its clout in the near future to impress upon their neighbours, politicians and friends of the countries of their residence about pakistan`s terrorist credentials. the pakistanis are making the job as much easier... already pakistan is recognised my most of the americans i know as a terrorist nation much as they recognise india as a depressingly poor and squalid country.
Expatriate Pakistanis have their work cut out for them....
Rishi
#148 Posted by anarayan on January 1, 2000 8:35:21 am
Re: Rishi Reply #: 99
``And this is why India should never take prisoners alive.``
Thanks to Pakistan for showing us the light. One of the positive outcomes of the hijack for India.
``And this is why India should never take prisoners alive.``
Thanks to Pakistan for showing us the light. One of the positive outcomes of the hijack for India.
#147 Posted by jay on January 1, 2000 8:35:21 am
CELEBRATION TO A RESPITE
I have tried for so long to find some common grounds, even grounds of discord that can be converted to an event to celebrate. Ever since the independence, the two countries haven`t celebrated the same event, and never before on the same day.
I knew millenium is important, unprecedented events will take place and at last it has taken place. On the new years eve the two countries have celebrated the out come of the same event. Indians celebrated the return of the hostages, Pakistan has celebrated the safe return of the mujahideen who enjoy widespread support. At last the two countries have celebrated, that is important, they are closer now more than ever before. Let us celebrate the differences.
There are several areas this complimentary nature of India and Pakistan can be put to good use, in an orgy of celebrations and thus an understanding and peace. Some of these can be executed quite easily. Now that Asghar is back, his passport can be given to Nawaz Sheriff and sent to India. Pakistan gets rid of the much hated NS, India will be happy in recapturing the terrorist.
A week later, there can be a hijacking, and to spite NS further, his release will not be demanded by the hijackers. The opportunities are endless and I am busy working these good ideas to secure copyrights.
So my dear friends on the chowk, bear with me for some time, please give me some rest. The new millenium belongs to intellectual properties, I am on it from day one.
Regards and best wishes for the New Year
Jayaprakash
P.S. Temporal, you are a worthy opponent, if you respond to this, I will have to come back and tell you another parable and you wouldn`t want it. But I can promise you, --- I will be back
#146 Posted by Umairr on January 1, 2000 8:35:21 am
Something interesting about the hijacking. I don`t think anybody uptil now knows the exact identity of the hijackers. Since the kept their faces wrapped up, no one knows what they look like either. So how is anyone going to know who the are if they reappear again?
#145 Posted by zeemax on January 1, 2000 12:33:30 am
The Kashmiris are the a * * * * * * * of the millenium ..let them come forward and tell what they want .. they will ultimately blow up the sub-continent in a nuclear cloud. I haven´t seen a single Kashmiri on the net to explain his point of view ... if they can get weapons and bulletproof armor, they can certainly get net access !
#144 Posted by zeemax on January 1, 2000 12:33:30 am
Reply #: 93 TAhmed321, Veeresh #55
Now that the hijack drama is over, I wish to extend my goodwill and sincerity to our Indian brothers and sisters. I had offered myself in response to the hostage exchange program initiated by Veeresh. I hope the innocent passengers will get over this trauma. I am enraged by the killing of that 25 year old man in front of her beutiful wife on the return trip of their honeymoon. It was neither ISI nor RAW, it was indeed the Kashmiris. Who helped them ? The Pakistanis in their ``Moral Support`` for the Kashmiri cause. One poignant moment was when Anil Khurana´s wife arrived to pick her husband up from the Al-Shifa hospital she observed ``I feel like I`m in my my own country``. Anil´s family was looked after so well and the people in Islamabad wntaed to get a glimpse of the Indians. Cannot this hostility end between the two contries ? The people do not want it ..
Now that the hijack drama is over, I wish to extend my goodwill and sincerity to our Indian brothers and sisters. I had offered myself in response to the hostage exchange program initiated by Veeresh. I hope the innocent passengers will get over this trauma. I am enraged by the killing of that 25 year old man in front of her beutiful wife on the return trip of their honeymoon. It was neither ISI nor RAW, it was indeed the Kashmiris. Who helped them ? The Pakistanis in their ``Moral Support`` for the Kashmiri cause. One poignant moment was when Anil Khurana´s wife arrived to pick her husband up from the Al-Shifa hospital she observed ``I feel like I`m in my my own country``. Anil´s family was looked after so well and the people in Islamabad wntaed to get a glimpse of the Indians. Cannot this hostility end between the two contries ? The people do not want it ..
#143 Posted by the_happy_one on December 31, 1999 4:28:46 pm
Re: Umairr # 92
Read my post before coming up with your emotional anti India knee jerk reactions as you usually do.
Here`s what I am saying:
1. The hijackers were members of Jihadic groups operating out of Pakistani territory.
2. These jihadic groups are funded and supported by the ISI.
3. In light of the magnitude of contraband smuggled into the plane, it seems to me that these folks had some heavy backing and support.
Which of the above statements do you find `half baked`?
And as to your touching appeal to all the sane people of India, while you are at it could you please make an appeal to your fellow countrymen as well? Because here is what we`ve been hearing...
82% of Pakistanis believe that:
1. RAW agents hijacked the plane.
2. RAW agents killed an Indian citizen and traumatized 160 Indian hostages.
3. RAW agents thought the best place to organize the hijacking was from Afghanistan.
4. RAW agents demanded the release of three hardcore militants from Indian jails.
5. RAW agents got into a jeep with the freed terrorists and drove into Pakistan.
6. RAW agents and the three militants will now live happily ever after in Peshawar.
Please get a grip and try to tone down your bias.
Kind Regards
Read my post before coming up with your emotional anti India knee jerk reactions as you usually do.
Here`s what I am saying:
1. The hijackers were members of Jihadic groups operating out of Pakistani territory.
2. These jihadic groups are funded and supported by the ISI.
3. In light of the magnitude of contraband smuggled into the plane, it seems to me that these folks had some heavy backing and support.
Which of the above statements do you find `half baked`?
And as to your touching appeal to all the sane people of India, while you are at it could you please make an appeal to your fellow countrymen as well? Because here is what we`ve been hearing...
82% of Pakistanis believe that:
1. RAW agents hijacked the plane.
2. RAW agents killed an Indian citizen and traumatized 160 Indian hostages.
3. RAW agents thought the best place to organize the hijacking was from Afghanistan.
4. RAW agents demanded the release of three hardcore militants from Indian jails.
5. RAW agents got into a jeep with the freed terrorists and drove into Pakistan.
6. RAW agents and the three militants will now live happily ever after in Peshawar.
Please get a grip and try to tone down your bias.
Kind Regards
#142 Posted by rishi on December 31, 1999 4:28:46 pm
Re:
And this is why India should never take prisoners alive. We can atleast keep our jails empty by killing all these militants in action. We should make it our national policy not to take captives. The militants do not take prisoners so when they attack an army patrol. Why should the army take prisoners ?
As a policy we should kill all terrorists in action . a good way to start would be by executing those in the prisons so that we would never have to release anyone..............anytime
Rishi
And this is why India should never take prisoners alive. We can atleast keep our jails empty by killing all these militants in action. We should make it our national policy not to take captives. The militants do not take prisoners so when they attack an army patrol. Why should the army take prisoners ?
As a policy we should kill all terrorists in action . a good way to start would be by executing those in the prisons so that we would never have to release anyone..............anytime
Rishi
#141 Posted by rehanrizvi on December 31, 1999 4:28:46 pm
Terrorism, in all its shapes, forms and sources of origination-state, groups, individuals-is wrong, against all moral, religious and ethical directives and should be condemned in its entirety. The definition of terrorism is any violence carried out against peaceful civilians. Whether it`s the hijacking of an Indian passenger plane, bombing of the Oklahoma federal building, murder of Chechen civilians by Russia, Kashmiri civilians by India or Lebanese civilians by Israel, its all the same and condemnable.
Rehan.
Rehan.
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