Boundaries or Bridges?
Beena Sarwar February 20, 2000
#162 Posted by DEL BOY on March 21, 2000 4:17:51 pm
I found this article very refreshing.
It prove`s the point that politicians and the
media can put up a curtain of deception between
two countrie`s to which the majority of the population will believe
Sadley it`s the same story all over the world.
It was good to read that these young men met
the challenge and found the truth for themselve`s.
It prove`s the point that politicians and the
media can put up a curtain of deception between
two countrie`s to which the majority of the population will believe
Sadley it`s the same story all over the world.
It was good to read that these young men met
the challenge and found the truth for themselve`s.
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#161 Posted by vineet on March 10, 2000 3:35:08 pm
http://www.washtimes.com/world/news4-03102000.htm
Pakistan agency fuels violence, U.S. official says
By Ben Barber
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
A high-ranking State Department official says Pakistan`s Inter Service Intelligence agency (ISI) is fomenting extremist violence in India`s northeast, possibly working through dissident groups with bases in Bangladesh.
``We believe the ISI is helping the militants in Assam,`` said the State Department official, who spoke on the condition he not be identified.
``Since they attack unarmed civilians for political purposes, [the militants] meet the classical definition of terrorists.``
Indian and Bangladeshi sources said their governments had determined independently that ISI agents in Bangladesh were encouraging, training and arming some of the militants of the United Liberation Front of Assam and other groups.
The militants for more than 10 years have been blowing up trains and shooting policemen and civilian officials with a goal of winning independence for Assam, a remote Indian state almost entirely cut off by Bangladesh.
Indian academic and journalist Rajeev Sharma charged in a 1999 book that ISI`s goal in backing the anti-India extremists in Bangladesh was ``to disintegrate northeastern India.``
The accusations come as President Clinton prepares to visit India, Bangladesh and Pakistan from March 19 to 26 — despite recommendations by his Secret Service that he faces a risk from terrorists in Pakistan.
India for years has claimed that Pakistan is aiding militant separatist groups in Assam.
But the comments by the senior U.S. official in an interview were the first indication that the United States also believes Pakistan is working to spread discord 500 miles from its border with India.
The United States earlier this year accused Pakistan of granting refuge and support to the Harakat ul-Mujahedeen, the group blamed for hijacking an Indian Airlines passenger plane in Kathmandu, Nepal, in December.
Indian diplomatic sources say Pakistan also gave arms and training in the 1980s to Sikh separatists crusading in Punjab for a separate state they would call Khalistan.
India also blames Pakistan for encouraging Islamic militant groups based in Pakistan to cross the border into Indian-held portions of Kashmir, which has been torn by sectarian fighting since 1990.
Zamir Akram, deputy chief of mission at Pakistan`s embassy in Washington, denied the charges Thursday. He in turn accused India`s intelligence agency — the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) — of sponsoring terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
``It`s not unusual for India to blame the ISI for everything,`` said Mr. Akram. ``It`s impossible. What kind of outreach can ISI have in Assam?
``We accuse the Indians of terrorist acts in Pakistan. We have arrested people who were interrogated and said they were paid by RAW to plant bombs in railway stations and markets.``
Mr. Akram also said there were reports RAW was behind sectarian violence in Karachi and that some Indian politicians openly advocated terrorism against Pakistan as a punishment for its anti-Indian stance in Kashmir.
A senior South Asian diplomat who is not from India said Thursday that Pakistan`s ISI has been infiltrated by Islamic militants who are working with fundamentalists in Bangladesh to prepare attacks on India.
``The ISI is active in Bangladesh,`` he said, speaking on condition of anonymity. ``ISI is very active and has a large number of fundamentalists in the organization and they have links with fundamentalist groups in Bangladesh.
``We are very watchful about it, and if we find any link we try to bring them to justice. We have told the U.S. State Department to be careful about that and keep a watch on their activities.``
Pakistan`s ISI also is acting in the politics of Bangladesh ``to destabilize the political setup through fundamentalist elements with links to the Afghans,`` said the diplomat.
The Indian diplomat noted that last year a Bangladeshi man working with the Osama bin Laden terrorist group in Afghanistan was caught in New Delhi preparing to bomb a U.S. consulate.
Bangladesh is a mostly Muslim country of 140 million that was part of Pakistan until it won independence in a bloody civil war in 1971, aided by the Indian army.
Some Bangladeshi political and military groups still hate India and favor Pakistan. Bangladesh sources accuse them of allowing the ISI to operate.
Supporters of bin Laden recently were captured in Bangladesh, where they had infiltrated with the help of ISI, according to the sources.
Bangladesh Ambassador K.M. Shehabuddin said Thursday that Pakistani intelligence has been operating terrorist cells in his country, but they have been stymied by the Awami League government of Sheik Hasina, who is grateful for India`s help to her father, Sheik Mujibur Rahman, in the struggle against Pakistan in 1971.
``The present government makes it impossible for ISI to operate against India from Bangladesh — the president won`t allow it,`` he said. ``We are careful about it. We are always opposed to fundamentalism.
``We want good neighbors.``
Pakistan agency fuels violence, U.S. official says
By Ben Barber
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
A high-ranking State Department official says Pakistan`s Inter Service Intelligence agency (ISI) is fomenting extremist violence in India`s northeast, possibly working through dissident groups with bases in Bangladesh.
``We believe the ISI is helping the militants in Assam,`` said the State Department official, who spoke on the condition he not be identified.
``Since they attack unarmed civilians for political purposes, [the militants] meet the classical definition of terrorists.``
Indian and Bangladeshi sources said their governments had determined independently that ISI agents in Bangladesh were encouraging, training and arming some of the militants of the United Liberation Front of Assam and other groups.
The militants for more than 10 years have been blowing up trains and shooting policemen and civilian officials with a goal of winning independence for Assam, a remote Indian state almost entirely cut off by Bangladesh.
Indian academic and journalist Rajeev Sharma charged in a 1999 book that ISI`s goal in backing the anti-India extremists in Bangladesh was ``to disintegrate northeastern India.``
The accusations come as President Clinton prepares to visit India, Bangladesh and Pakistan from March 19 to 26 — despite recommendations by his Secret Service that he faces a risk from terrorists in Pakistan.
India for years has claimed that Pakistan is aiding militant separatist groups in Assam.
But the comments by the senior U.S. official in an interview were the first indication that the United States also believes Pakistan is working to spread discord 500 miles from its border with India.
The United States earlier this year accused Pakistan of granting refuge and support to the Harakat ul-Mujahedeen, the group blamed for hijacking an Indian Airlines passenger plane in Kathmandu, Nepal, in December.
Indian diplomatic sources say Pakistan also gave arms and training in the 1980s to Sikh separatists crusading in Punjab for a separate state they would call Khalistan.
India also blames Pakistan for encouraging Islamic militant groups based in Pakistan to cross the border into Indian-held portions of Kashmir, which has been torn by sectarian fighting since 1990.
Zamir Akram, deputy chief of mission at Pakistan`s embassy in Washington, denied the charges Thursday. He in turn accused India`s intelligence agency — the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) — of sponsoring terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
``It`s not unusual for India to blame the ISI for everything,`` said Mr. Akram. ``It`s impossible. What kind of outreach can ISI have in Assam?
``We accuse the Indians of terrorist acts in Pakistan. We have arrested people who were interrogated and said they were paid by RAW to plant bombs in railway stations and markets.``
Mr. Akram also said there were reports RAW was behind sectarian violence in Karachi and that some Indian politicians openly advocated terrorism against Pakistan as a punishment for its anti-Indian stance in Kashmir.
A senior South Asian diplomat who is not from India said Thursday that Pakistan`s ISI has been infiltrated by Islamic militants who are working with fundamentalists in Bangladesh to prepare attacks on India.
``The ISI is active in Bangladesh,`` he said, speaking on condition of anonymity. ``ISI is very active and has a large number of fundamentalists in the organization and they have links with fundamentalist groups in Bangladesh.
``We are very watchful about it, and if we find any link we try to bring them to justice. We have told the U.S. State Department to be careful about that and keep a watch on their activities.``
Pakistan`s ISI also is acting in the politics of Bangladesh ``to destabilize the political setup through fundamentalist elements with links to the Afghans,`` said the diplomat.
The Indian diplomat noted that last year a Bangladeshi man working with the Osama bin Laden terrorist group in Afghanistan was caught in New Delhi preparing to bomb a U.S. consulate.
Bangladesh is a mostly Muslim country of 140 million that was part of Pakistan until it won independence in a bloody civil war in 1971, aided by the Indian army.
Some Bangladeshi political and military groups still hate India and favor Pakistan. Bangladesh sources accuse them of allowing the ISI to operate.
Supporters of bin Laden recently were captured in Bangladesh, where they had infiltrated with the help of ISI, according to the sources.
Bangladesh Ambassador K.M. Shehabuddin said Thursday that Pakistani intelligence has been operating terrorist cells in his country, but they have been stymied by the Awami League government of Sheik Hasina, who is grateful for India`s help to her father, Sheik Mujibur Rahman, in the struggle against Pakistan in 1971.
``The present government makes it impossible for ISI to operate against India from Bangladesh — the president won`t allow it,`` he said. ``We are careful about it. We are always opposed to fundamentalism.
``We want good neighbors.``
#160 Posted by temporal on February 24, 2000 3:15:44 pm
Fuzair #49:
Time to regale us with Fakir of Ippi?
rgds
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Time to regale us with Fakir of Ippi?
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#159 Posted by temporal on February 24, 2000 3:05:45 pm
truth #57:
From your perspective well said, until.....`` I think I have some idea of Pakistan and while I support peace, I am not in favor of talking to the Pakistani Government at this moment.``
A slight disagreement here.
In the interest of peace and stability both countries should strive for peace this very moment. Each passing second brings them closer to instability in the region.
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From your perspective well said, until.....`` I think I have some idea of Pakistan and while I support peace, I am not in favor of talking to the Pakistani Government at this moment.``
A slight disagreement here.
In the interest of peace and stability both countries should strive for peace this very moment. Each passing second brings them closer to instability in the region.
rgds
t
#157 Posted by temporal on February 21, 2000 6:06:42 pm
STUDEBAKER #6:
``My problem is ,on one to one basis ,my experience has been same.``
Our failure lies in not building upon such experiences. There is a vast reservoir of good-will lying dormant just beneath the surface.
``There are millions of Hindus & Muslims much more than some muslims & Hindus ,who are friendly to each other.``
Perhaps, but that too should not restrain us from spreading the message of love, goodwill and understanding. Contrary to what some say here, we have tried force and hatred over the last 53 years. Has it worked?
Give love and goodwill a chance.
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``My problem is ,on one to one basis ,my experience has been same.``
Our failure lies in not building upon such experiences. There is a vast reservoir of good-will lying dormant just beneath the surface.
``There are millions of Hindus & Muslims much more than some muslims & Hindus ,who are friendly to each other.``
Perhaps, but that too should not restrain us from spreading the message of love, goodwill and understanding. Contrary to what some say here, we have tried force and hatred over the last 53 years. Has it worked?
Give love and goodwill a chance.
rgds
t
#156 Posted by temporal on February 21, 2000 5:54:21 pm
Shahzad C #11:
Naik Jazbaat kay izhaar ka shukria.
I have no idea what you are referring to here. Something I missed earlier or something from another thread? ``Salwak sent a post asking what did I think if he says that for the Chowk`s recent atmosphere he says that it is timely. I agreed with him/her/him/her. After having joined my voice with that I feel the problem to be so domestic that I should be very hurt if this one also gets on a side spur. I feel that Chowk organization needs attention. If the rules allow, then the offer of funds and time should be accepted. Because of my circumstances at this time I can participate in both if the invitation is extended to a group of few chosen individuals for time, particularly.``
Here is my Iqbal for the day:
Maqaam-e-Ishq say aa`saaN goozar gaya Iqbal
Maqaam-e-shauq may khoya gaya woh farzana.
rgds
t
Naik Jazbaat kay izhaar ka shukria.
I have no idea what you are referring to here. Something I missed earlier or something from another thread? ``Salwak sent a post asking what did I think if he says that for the Chowk`s recent atmosphere he says that it is timely. I agreed with him/her/him/her. After having joined my voice with that I feel the problem to be so domestic that I should be very hurt if this one also gets on a side spur. I feel that Chowk organization needs attention. If the rules allow, then the offer of funds and time should be accepted. Because of my circumstances at this time I can participate in both if the invitation is extended to a group of few chosen individuals for time, particularly.``
Here is my Iqbal for the day:
Maqaam-e-Ishq say aa`saaN goozar gaya Iqbal
Maqaam-e-shauq may khoya gaya woh farzana.
rgds
t
#155 Posted by temporal on February 20, 2000 7:15:27 pm
Beena:
We need bridges not fences and walls. Sentiments like these chip away at the mighty walls of suspicion, hatred and propaganda that we have built around us.
Let us hear more of tolerance, understanding and peace.
Thank you Beena. Thank you, the sane voices of students, teachers and other well wishers.
rgds
t
We need bridges not fences and walls. Sentiments like these chip away at the mighty walls of suspicion, hatred and propaganda that we have built around us.
Let us hear more of tolerance, understanding and peace.
Thank you Beena. Thank you, the sane voices of students, teachers and other well wishers.
rgds
t
#154 Posted by amit on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Re:FARANGI_KUSH#159
Thanks for those beautiful poems. While I know that Iqbal is revered in Pakistan, he is also considered very highly in India. Your point about boundaries and bridges is a good one. You know amidst all the sound and fury over religious differences, invasions, imperial rule, partitions etc., we have never really got the opportunity to let our learned religious scholars work together to develop a better understanding of our religions. Individual religious scholars have skimmed the surface, but why not have a detailed and extensive dialogue between Hinduism, Islam and Sikhism ? Perhaps we can learn a lot from each other and develop a common code of conduct towards people belonging to different faiths.
Re:hamidm#158
As an intelligent, educated person, should you simply accept the official government line of your country ? Or should you analyze the need to hate India ? There is nothing sacrosanct about nationalism. While I love India, I do not see why I need to hate Pakistan or Islam to feel patriotic about India. In fact I have always been fascinated by the history of Islam in general and the areas of Pakistan. I have read several Pakistani authors and I have many Pakistani friends. One of my employees reporting to me is a Pakistani and he is one of the best in my group. As far as Kashmir is concerned, I genuinely want a negotiated honourale settlement. Anyway, to each his own. Just remember, if you have a massive chip on your shoulder, you appear deformed to the world.
Thanks for those beautiful poems. While I know that Iqbal is revered in Pakistan, he is also considered very highly in India. Your point about boundaries and bridges is a good one. You know amidst all the sound and fury over religious differences, invasions, imperial rule, partitions etc., we have never really got the opportunity to let our learned religious scholars work together to develop a better understanding of our religions. Individual religious scholars have skimmed the surface, but why not have a detailed and extensive dialogue between Hinduism, Islam and Sikhism ? Perhaps we can learn a lot from each other and develop a common code of conduct towards people belonging to different faiths.
Re:hamidm#158
As an intelligent, educated person, should you simply accept the official government line of your country ? Or should you analyze the need to hate India ? There is nothing sacrosanct about nationalism. While I love India, I do not see why I need to hate Pakistan or Islam to feel patriotic about India. In fact I have always been fascinated by the history of Islam in general and the areas of Pakistan. I have read several Pakistani authors and I have many Pakistani friends. One of my employees reporting to me is a Pakistani and he is one of the best in my group. As far as Kashmir is concerned, I genuinely want a negotiated honourale settlement. Anyway, to each his own. Just remember, if you have a massive chip on your shoulder, you appear deformed to the world.
#153 Posted by amit on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Re:sadna#151
Sadhana,
There is no point in wasting our energy on someone like Hamidm. He is totally obsessed with irrational hatred against India. He cannot even explain his hatred except rant and rave about South Indians with heads shaking sideways. His hatred has no correlation with religion because he also seems to be against religious extremism as exhibited by people like Asif Naqshbandi. My guess is that Hamidm does not seem to have got enough hugs when he was growing up. He cannot fathom the simple fact that we Indians and Pakistanis may be poles apart on religion but we have common cultural ties.
In line with your proposal, Hamidm should have blood transfusions to replace all his existing blood with ``pure`` muslim blood from middle-east and central asia. His existing blood can be donated to some blood bank for productive use. Then he should bleach his hair to make it blonde. Thirdly he should wear contact lenses to create blue eyes. Finally he should grow a beard, put on a turban, wear long black robes and pick up a Klashnikov. He should then head towards the Indian border.
Sadhana,
There is no point in wasting our energy on someone like Hamidm. He is totally obsessed with irrational hatred against India. He cannot even explain his hatred except rant and rave about South Indians with heads shaking sideways. His hatred has no correlation with religion because he also seems to be against religious extremism as exhibited by people like Asif Naqshbandi. My guess is that Hamidm does not seem to have got enough hugs when he was growing up. He cannot fathom the simple fact that we Indians and Pakistanis may be poles apart on religion but we have common cultural ties.
In line with your proposal, Hamidm should have blood transfusions to replace all his existing blood with ``pure`` muslim blood from middle-east and central asia. His existing blood can be donated to some blood bank for productive use. Then he should bleach his hair to make it blonde. Thirdly he should wear contact lenses to create blue eyes. Finally he should grow a beard, put on a turban, wear long black robes and pick up a Klashnikov. He should then head towards the Indian border.
#152 Posted by ad on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Reply #: 99
FARANGI_KUSH
This is the first time, that I think I will have to agree with you. The West has much to learn from the East, in things that are not material.
In fact just the other day I was having an argument with some friends. I told them that in Eastern cultures/religons, the family structure is still preserved and one of the common things amongst all these religons is that women are not treated equal to men.
In fact even in the US, till the 40s and 50s (before the fanatic womens movement started), divorce rate was negligable and the family in the US was stable. That is why we did not things like the Columbine shootings etc that we have today.
God created men and women differenly, both biologically and physically. So the very notion that they should be treated equal is absurd.
This does not mean that women should be burned or stoned to death or anything like that. However, what is required is a decesion that should be taken by the society as a whole, (both men and women).
It is really regretful, that in our blind adoration of All things American we fail to notice the deep family problems that America faces.
AD
FARANGI_KUSH
This is the first time, that I think I will have to agree with you. The West has much to learn from the East, in things that are not material.
In fact just the other day I was having an argument with some friends. I told them that in Eastern cultures/religons, the family structure is still preserved and one of the common things amongst all these religons is that women are not treated equal to men.
In fact even in the US, till the 40s and 50s (before the fanatic womens movement started), divorce rate was negligable and the family in the US was stable. That is why we did not things like the Columbine shootings etc that we have today.
God created men and women differenly, both biologically and physically. So the very notion that they should be treated equal is absurd.
This does not mean that women should be burned or stoned to death or anything like that. However, what is required is a decesion that should be taken by the society as a whole, (both men and women).
It is really regretful, that in our blind adoration of All things American we fail to notice the deep family problems that America faces.
AD
#151 Posted by ad on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
RE: PST Reply #: 106
hamidm
You wrote:
``I will admit that I do feel a certain affinity with Sardars who eat regular food (and might still,one day, help us against a common enemy ``
FYI: Sikhism is an off shoot of Hinduism and it was created to fight and kill muslims. Do you feel kinda stupid now or did this one go above your head.
Also: Did`nt Allah forbid consumption of wine ?
Welcome to the Kafirhood brother !
AD
hamidm
You wrote:
``I will admit that I do feel a certain affinity with Sardars who eat regular food (and might still,one day, help us against a common enemy ``
FYI: Sikhism is an off shoot of Hinduism and it was created to fight and kill muslims. Do you feel kinda stupid now or did this one go above your head.
Also: Did`nt Allah forbid consumption of wine ?
Welcome to the Kafirhood brother !
AD
#150 Posted by sac on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
regarding sadna#102 and 103.
Contrary to your ``I get it``, I am afraid it will take a while. In the meantime lets agree to disagree.
And hamidm #107
this one needs to go into the hall of fame:
``I work in an industry which is full of the side-ways head-shaking hordes from godforsaken places like Kerala and Tamil-Land......``
thank you for making an otherwise dreary day such an entertaining one. Gotta go. Hopefully the ``frustrated Mughal syndrome`` will not rear its ugly head as I go call that Indian cutie :)
Contrary to your ``I get it``, I am afraid it will take a while. In the meantime lets agree to disagree.
And hamidm #107
this one needs to go into the hall of fame:
``I work in an industry which is full of the side-ways head-shaking hordes from godforsaken places like Kerala and Tamil-Land......``
thank you for making an otherwise dreary day such an entertaining one. Gotta go. Hopefully the ``frustrated Mughal syndrome`` will not rear its ugly head as I go call that Indian cutie :)
#149 Posted by fuzair on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Re: Farangi Kush #99
You wrote: ``but for each & every Ba Ba Blacksheep secularist & farangi boot-licker from India & Pakistan.``
Since we have already established that I am not a particularly intelligent person, please enlighten me, oh great one, as to why exactly it is better to be the boot-licker of Arabs than to be the boot-licker of Farangis?
Oh, please do allow the illustrious light of thy inimitiable wisdom to dispel the darkness of thy servant`s ignorance. I anxiously, aye with bated breath, await the pearls of wisdom to issue forth from thine honey-scented lips.
You wrote: ``but for each & every Ba Ba Blacksheep secularist & farangi boot-licker from India & Pakistan.``
Since we have already established that I am not a particularly intelligent person, please enlighten me, oh great one, as to why exactly it is better to be the boot-licker of Arabs than to be the boot-licker of Farangis?
Oh, please do allow the illustrious light of thy inimitiable wisdom to dispel the darkness of thy servant`s ignorance. I anxiously, aye with bated breath, await the pearls of wisdom to issue forth from thine honey-scented lips.
#148 Posted by tahmed321 on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
Shankar #96,
Do you mean to say that our (Pak) idiots are bigger idiots than your (Indian) idiots? While bursting with nationalist pride at this clear confession of defeat on your part, I must be honest and admit that the India vs. Pakistan match here is in fact a draw.
How can it be otherwise? Both crop of idiots has been raised on the shores of the equally gentle waters of the Ganges and of the Indus, and both have been nourished by the same sub-continent sun. The crop only looks greener across the border.
Do you mean to say that our (Pak) idiots are bigger idiots than your (Indian) idiots? While bursting with nationalist pride at this clear confession of defeat on your part, I must be honest and admit that the India vs. Pakistan match here is in fact a draw.
How can it be otherwise? Both crop of idiots has been raised on the shores of the equally gentle waters of the Ganges and of the Indus, and both have been nourished by the same sub-continent sun. The crop only looks greener across the border.
#147 Posted by sac on November 30, 1999 12:00:00 am
re sadna#74
``I think you havenot read the article I referred to``
Infact the quote about certain officers living beyond their means was taken from the last paragraph of the article you pointed out and wasn`t a part of the excerpts you provided in the article.
Your long defence of ``vigilance`` commissions conveniently seems to forget the endeniable fact that all of these investigation reports and other crap is simply the case of the prosecution. Where in your civilized world is the accused openly victimised in such a callous manner without getting a chance to submit a reply? A website cannot replace a court of law(even a kangaroo court at that!!).
Your personal experience with entrance exams and its connection with civilized norms escapes me. And how was that related to a democratic attitude is a mystery to me? You`d be amazed at the backdoors available to the progency of the privileged in the civilized and fair societies of the west.
By your contention a clean and fair system of admissions should not be possible in a ``non-democratic`` society. Am I missing anything here? The admission system in Pakistan is comparable if not better than the admission system in India(my own opinion which can be taken issue with).
Good luck to you and your beliefs in fairness and the workability of the ``system``. Hope you enter the real world soon.
``I think you havenot read the article I referred to``
Infact the quote about certain officers living beyond their means was taken from the last paragraph of the article you pointed out and wasn`t a part of the excerpts you provided in the article.
Your long defence of ``vigilance`` commissions conveniently seems to forget the endeniable fact that all of these investigation reports and other crap is simply the case of the prosecution. Where in your civilized world is the accused openly victimised in such a callous manner without getting a chance to submit a reply? A website cannot replace a court of law(even a kangaroo court at that!!).
Your personal experience with entrance exams and its connection with civilized norms escapes me. And how was that related to a democratic attitude is a mystery to me? You`d be amazed at the backdoors available to the progency of the privileged in the civilized and fair societies of the west.
By your contention a clean and fair system of admissions should not be possible in a ``non-democratic`` society. Am I missing anything here? The admission system in Pakistan is comparable if not better than the admission system in India(my own opinion which can be taken issue with).
Good luck to you and your beliefs in fairness and the workability of the ``system``. Hope you enter the real world soon.
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