Life on Earth: Chance or Deliberate

This article has been chipped chopped. I wanna see my lawyer...and an English teacher.

Ahhh....The good old times of roughly 3000-2000 years ago when all was known what is there to be known....When they dealt with whole numbers of usually 1-3...The past was so perfect than the present satanic inventions of farangi measuring systems of British or French categories and above all decimal or fraction system only to make life complicated with the values of pi, Plank`s constant, Avogadro numbers, the speed of light and the measurements of mass and charges of sub-atomic particles. The devil led us to create pi( 3.12159), Plank`s constant (6.627 x 10 * *-27), Avogadro`s( 6.625 x 10 * *23) and so on.

Yes sir, only if we believed in the all informative creation theory and earth being the center of the Universe, we never had to bother evolutionary biology and astrophysics. Why the hell Newton has to measure quantitatively the rate of apples falling from the trees when they were always known to fall. Why people have to think under the blue sky when a wandering tribe in the middle east told them all about nature? No wonder all humans are born sinners, scientists being the most sinister and profane.

Lets get rid of all rational thinker who are not bound by the Jewish concepts and bring on Mullah Omar, Bin Baz and likes. As hamidm would have said......Takbeer. Believers, stand up and count only in whole numbers because fractionation is purposeless. And pleas....no more talk of chaos theory and the unpredictabilty of extrapolation of the non-linear equations. It is purposeless!!!

A very thought-provoking article by Brother Omer.

For all those who are interested to learn more on the subject, I would recommend a lecture by Dr.Zakir Naik of Islamic Research Foundation, Mumbai, India, which is available on video.

The title of this lecture is

``Quran & Modern Science- Conflict or Conciliation?``

The web address of Islamic Research Foundation is www.irf.net

I urge every Muslim brother & sister to watch this video lecture. I was really spell-bound when I watched it for the first time. I still find many new things whenever I watch it. Very informative and enlightening indeed.

What a waft of fragrance!!!

Bravo! You are the ones upon whom the Ummah is pinning their hopes.

It is your generation which is completely pure & un-corrupted by the farangi depravities & inferiority complexes.Those in their 30s & up are still tainted by the remnants of slavery.

You do not have to show off that you are `different` educated` or `superior` just because you try to look different & act different than the `awaam`.YOU ARE AWAAM of a free & honourable society.

The beginning of the true signs of freedom are when the leader(Imam) walks & talks like the general populace(Awaam) and does not pretend to be an outsider(Farangi!!).

India is,despite my vehement opposition to its policies,not a bad example.Their leaders look,walk & talk like a dehati & are at home with them and can ALSO converse in foreign languages better than the parrots & mynahs of the low-class schools of Harvard & Cambridge(It hits where it hurts---this must be written to prick their pomposity).

THANK YOU FOR AN EXCELLENT ARTICLES.LET THE DUMBOS of MIT respond!!!.

May Allah bless you and may you achieve all your hearts desires.

wassallaam.

Masha Allah

Logic is presented in a very nice manner. It is true that scientific research leads to recognition of God and nothing else. It is an irony that when scientists of today like to present a non-event like the ``creation of mankind by accident`` on numerical basis and a chance of several trillion to one becomes a probable event.

Keep up the good work.

-Asfand Siddiqui

Sacramento CA

That`s for the interesting science lecture. However, I`m not sure whether I`m any closer to religion or God - if he does exist.

Your logical conclusions are also the Quranic way of belief in God and many Ayah say ``Have you not seen`` Have you not pondered`` ``How we made earth and sky`` ``How WE have created different kinds of animals and spread them all over the earth`` ``The Earth and sky were once together, and we clove them asunder``

``Will you then not believe`` and so on and so forth.

But the main body of Muslim Ulema don`t thibk like this. Like in old times modern Tib was looked down upon in favor of ``Tib Nabvi``. Also most of Ulema belief that it is heresy to belief in theory of evolution, moreso studying it. As Maulana Mowdudi one of the liberal Ulema put it in one of his books. That atheist teach that if water is cooled, it first contract, but below 4 Degree it expands and so ice with a lower density comes up. He suggested to replace this method, by stating that it should start with this that God has made water to act in this way so that Fish below water can survive.

Now I firmly belief in this, that although science and its discovery can lead you to God, or can make you atheist, but it does not change the methods of science. That is it is secular. You have to study phenomenon, formulate laws based on observation and experiments and it does not matter whether you think that God is doing this or it happens by itself.

On another note, I would like to correct you on contribution of Greek scientist. Newton once said, I have been able to do this on the shoulders of my predecessors. Although their science was not accurate, but because of those scientists future generations were able to progress science. If there were not Greeks in past, We would have to do their work before a future generation would progress on it. May be 500 years from now people would be labelling us Ah those westerners were very backward, without realizing that it is we who are creating the foundation of their work.

Hope to see you in few years at the Islamic Science Conference at Islamabad. I am just wondering if the humans have a purpose why they waited 3 billion years to appear on a planet which was supporting life in some form or other for about 2 billion years; and what were the sins of neanderthals to have them completely extinct. You also fail to mention gravity, the other important factor besides water, carbon and sun. All the water would have lost to the atmosphere if it was not for gravity. Thank God for eliminating Dianosaurs so that mammals could flourish.

Krashid (#8):

[As Maulana Mowdudi one of the liberal Ulema put it in one of his books. That atheist teach that if water is cooled, it first contract, but below 4 Degree it expands and so ice with a lower density comes up. He suggested to replace this method, by stating that it should start with this that God has made water to act in this way so that Fish below water can survive.]

Only an illiterate would agree to such a stupendous argument. The properties of water predate the existing of fish by only about 2 billion years. The fish only existed under frozen water because of the properties of water and not the other way around.

It is the same absolutely naieve argument, author has made. The catenation property and other properties of carbon, water and sun were built intrinsic much before any kind of life ever existed and much less to speak of human life. He seem to be suggesting that the purpose of making ears was to support eye glasses. Water or carbon did not change properties to suport organic life forms; it is the life form which originated out of these properties. A large body of religions are abstract ideas whereas science is based on rational understanding of the nature and natural phenomena.

Dear SameerJB

Reply 2,9,10

Are you fed and bred in a western world like me? I apologise, no offence is intended. All I mean to say is, you`ve probably read a couple of lines, made up your response and charged down onto the commentary box. All I was trying to say was, science leads you closer to Allah. That`s all. I never criticised science. Why should I? I did criticise the arrogance of the progenitors of modern scientists- the humans, the people, the generation who 300 years ago thought that the earth was flat.

I am a massive supporter of science, but I have enough pools of pink circuitry to think that Allah may has created the universe/life etc. etc. in such a manner that we humans can understand it, as in there`s a process behind it. When we understand it, we come closer to Allah, and our belief becomes just that tiny bit stronger. Kun Fayakoon doesn`t necessarily mean something happening there and then. It may be the `spark` that ignites off events. I have huge debates and arguments with extremist like you who think that a divine being cannot be responsible for all this. At the same time I also argue with the `Allah Subhana Wataalas` who say that because Allah created everything, we don`t need to explore. Let`s just sit on our rear ends and barter with chickens and cows.

I can assure you I have far more controversial ideas and so forth but at least I speak them because I see something logical behind them, and I hope what I speak is laced with science and Islam. It`s a problem of education. I`ll write something on that soon. Until then

Take care and best Wishes

Omar Phoenix

Dear SameerJb reply 10

Stupendous means wonderful, not stupid. Go home and read the Oxford Dictionary.

Take Care

Omar Phoenix

Dear Nushmia,

Reply No 7.

Thanks for the comments. As for Science Vs Religion point that you raised. Why? There`s no point. The first thing to understand is, Islam is not just any other religion. You must see Islam as having no equal. When people talk about science versus religion they refer to other religions. These people are clearly ignorant because without having read anything about Islam, they drag it into the religion box. `Oh religions are such useless things. The only thing that religions have ever done to us is take people back to the medieval times.`

Why should I think that this statement applies to Islam? It may apply to other religions but not Islam. Here`s a religion where it`s teacher, Muhammed (PBUH) told people to educate themselves even if they had to go to China for it. There`s gotta be something behind that statement.

You don`t have to pit religions Vs Science because you should be concerned only with Islam and then realise that Islam actually promotes science. Islam as I see it is the science of the soul, it`s what I call my spiritual DNA. I also believe that the Quran is not a conventional scientific recipe book, as in you can`t make the Saturn 5 rocket by getting it`s instructions from the holy book. So there has to be a large degree of separation of science from Quran, otherwise I believe people would get bogged down into thinking, are my ideas non Islamic and too radical. I say that the Universe was created by the big bang and he says that it was by Allah. Am I a Kafir? We gotta getaway from that nonsense but that will only come when everybody educates themselves in both Islamic and worldly knowledge.

Take care and best wishes

Omar Phoenix

Dear Krashid,

Reply 8

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you thast when it comes to the actual principles and processes of science, they should not be mingled with Quran. As I told Nushmia, one person says the universe was created out of the big bang and another says Allah created it. If both of these people were to be Muslims and lived in the highly technological society that is Pakistan (Ho Ho Ho), guess who would have been lynched. Okay so this idea`s a bit extreme but I hope you get my point.

Scientific processes should be carried out as they are and kept secular. However, the products of science should be regulated by Islam. But we cannot do that yet (because we`re no longer the carriers of science), until all the Muslim people, yep that`s all, not just my rich corrupt cousins but all the Muslim people educate themselves. True opinions and freedom of thoughts only come after you have spoken to hundreds of people, read hundreds of books and visited hundreds of web sites like Chowk. Only then will people be able to integrate science and Islam, something, which everybody nowadays has failed to achieve in their own little way.

Take care

Omar Phoenix

Omar, Great article,

I have been wanting to write something similar for quite sometime but my unimpressive rhetoric kept me from doing so.

A comment i have is that if faith in the existence of a Creator could be led to by deductive logic, all those greatly gifted (no sarcasm intended) Einsteins and Godels would have presented a formula for it. I think its the inductive logic that does the trick. You have to start with an axiom and then everything falls in place for you. No wonder the Prophet`s first invitation to Islam to the Pagans was to appeal to their trust (which is faith) in him and not to their logic.

Unfortunately the atheists start with the initial assumption that ``there is no Supreme Being`` and if you start with that assumption then everything else that follows can be attributed to chance.

Id say its the subtle difference between saying:

``XYZ therefore i believe`` compared to ``I believe therefore i can explain XYZ``.

I hope im making sense here. Congrats once again on a catchy piece of writing.

ViBe.

For every blurb you throw the way of the-world-is-too-orderly-to-be-mere-chance way of life, there is an equal and opposite assertion to be made on the side of the if-god-were-all-powerful-then-why-is-there-so-much-pain-and-suffering-in-the-word school of thought. (Sounds vaguely Newtonian, doesn`t it?)

Also, I`d like to add a bit at SameerJB`s comment (post #10), though it may extend beyond the scope his point was meant to make: Perhaps God is not found and justified by the laws of nature (as Omar Pheonix will have it). Maybe it`s the other way around.

And I think the ``wafting fragrance`` detected by FARANGI_KUSH may be something else......

Thank you brother Omar for an article on Chowk which for once is NOT attacking Islam but rather defending it.

I will say that Muslims made great contributions to science in the past, like algebra and the trigonometric functions, optics, medicine etc. and it is our waratha [`knowledge is the lost property of the believer, let him take it whereever he finds it`]but we must remember that nearly all of our great scientists made their discoveries in the framework of Islam and shar`iat.

And we must remember that Islam is Absolute Truth and all other discoveries/theories/hypotheses must be judged according to what`s in the Qur`an and the saheeH hadith AND NOT VICE VERSA. ie. use the Qur`an to judge if a theory is correct do not judge the Qur`an by the theory.

Muslim scientists always understood that the purpose of science was only to improve the life of humanity by technology and that it is limited in its ability to answer the important questions like why are we here? what is the purpose of life? is there an afterlife etc. Science only can answer physical questions beginning with `how?` and NEVER `why?` e.g. we know how it rains [the water cycle etc.] but why it rains science cannot explain. The answer to our whys is a simple one: ALLAH.

Any one with an ounce of intelligence upon reflection on the amazing universe we live in will be drawn to the inevitable conclusion that there is an All Powerful Creator. The very notion that the whole universe came into existence out of nothing is an absurd claim yet just coz the leading scientists in the West proclaim it some people will parrot it like mindless sheep!

What?! Do they deny the Creator??!!!!

Alhamdu lillahi Rabbul Aalameen.

SameerJB--do you believe in Allah?