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Umair A Khan June 22, 2000
#112 Posted by cutandpaste on February 10, 2002 2:55:09 am
Kashmir: Musharraf`s many dilemmas
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DB09Df01.html
By Muhammad Rafique
ISLAMABAD - A startling statement by a prominent Sindhi politician and spiritual leader with hundreds and thousands of followers has presented a new dilemma to embattled President General Pervez Musharraf, who is locked in a dangerous standoff with neighboring India over the disputed and divided Kashmir.
On the eve of Solidarity Day with Kashmiris on February 5, the Peer Pagaro Shah Mardan Shah, the spiritual head of the Hur tribesmen and a known supporter of the military in the key Sindh province, shocked both the nation and the military by declaring that the Kashmir Valley never belonged to Pakistan and ``it never will``.
Although the military regime did not directly respond to the Peer`s statement, several pro-Musharraf politicians, mainly belonging to the Pakistan Muslim League party aspiring to form the bulwark of the ``real democracy`` Musharraf is planning to introduce in Pakistan after the upcoming October elections, condemned the statement as ``unpatriotic``.
The Peer Pagaro heads his own faction of the Muslim League, which is divided into half a dozen or more factions, and the military is trying desparately to unite them in order to pick a prime ministerial candidate from among them, by helping it to win the elections. Musharraf himself will become an all-powerful president under the new dispensation, after dumping the ``sham democracy`` under which Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif twice became prime ministers.
The Peer Pagaro, who helped General Zia ul Haq topple prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in a coup in 1977, has always been close to the generals, not because of any political skills or popularity among the masses but simply because he commands the unalloyed loyalty of the hundreds of thousands of Hur tribesmen who live in the deserts of Sindh, bordering India, and who have always formed the second line of defense for the Pakistani regular troops in the soft belly of Pakistan.
Most observers say that if and when the war breaks out in the context of the present standoff between the two nuclear-armed adversaries, India will attack from the same very region. In both the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, the Hurs of the Peer (the hereditary spirtual head) fought side-by-side with the Pakistani troops in that strategic area and they will again need the Peer`s help if the war breaks out.
Reliable political sources have told Asia Times Online that the government has sent intermediaries to mollify the Peer to keep him on their side. The Peer, according to sources, wants a nominee from the province of Sindh to become the prime minister of Pakistan under the ``real democracy`` which Musharraf wants to introduce after amending the 1973 prime ministerial constitution patterned on the Westminster model, which all military dictators in Pakistan have spurned and amended to enable them to wield real power.
Musharraf has constituted the National Reconstruction Bureau (NRB) under a retired lieutenant-general to amend the constitution, which he is allowed to do as the Supreme Court of Pakistan validated his coup until October 2002. The NRB is now busy making the amendments which Musharraf plans to have validated by the new parliament, the seats of which he has already increased by about 30 percent. The NRB is also making provisions for Musharraf to handpick about 50 technocrats to strengthen his hand.
Musharraf has also increased to 70 the quota of seats allocated for women. These will be elected on the basis of proportional representation while the regular candidates will be elected along party lines on the first-past-the-post basis.
But Musharraf is determined to keep both Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, both of whom are in exile, out of the electoral arena. Bhutto is now in Washington to lobby for support from the right quarters to allow her to return to Pakistan to participate in the elections. She has even said that she is ready to become prime minister under the new Musharraf dispensation, and has supported his move to crack down on Islamic jihadi organizations. But Musharraf has stuck to his stand that he will never allow either Sharif or Bhutto to contest elections while he is in power, and he is determined to remain in power even beyond the permitted five years from October of this year, unless the fates or the Americans intervene, according to independent political analysts.
And the general has removed far from the scene all the mullahs who can and are determined to muster street power to force the general out and install another general more to their liking.
Politicians other than the Peer of Pagaro are eyeing the key positions, including the prime ministrial post, and they are looking to the Americans more than the ruling junta because they perceive that power in Pakistan comes via Washington. Meanwhile, the Americans, especially the very active American Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain, are keeping a close eye on who might become the next prime minister.
One of the current favorites is Mehmood Kasuri, a lawyer from Lahore who runs a string of schools throughout Pakistan. As for the unpredictable and sometimes jocular Peer of Pagaro, his favorite could be anybody from the half a dozen politicians who go and touch his feet, as is the custom for the holy men of Sindh. The Peer is no fundamentalist and is known to keep the compay of beautiful women.
Intriguingly, some analysts believe the Peer of Pagaro might have made his Kashmir remarks with a wink and a nod from ``someone important`` to help solve the Kashmir dilemma by having both India and Pakistan maintain the parts of Kashmir they now hold - which just may be the ultimate solution.
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DB09Df01.html
By Muhammad Rafique
ISLAMABAD - A startling statement by a prominent Sindhi politician and spiritual leader with hundreds and thousands of followers has presented a new dilemma to embattled President General Pervez Musharraf, who is locked in a dangerous standoff with neighboring India over the disputed and divided Kashmir.
On the eve of Solidarity Day with Kashmiris on February 5, the Peer Pagaro Shah Mardan Shah, the spiritual head of the Hur tribesmen and a known supporter of the military in the key Sindh province, shocked both the nation and the military by declaring that the Kashmir Valley never belonged to Pakistan and ``it never will``.
Although the military regime did not directly respond to the Peer`s statement, several pro-Musharraf politicians, mainly belonging to the Pakistan Muslim League party aspiring to form the bulwark of the ``real democracy`` Musharraf is planning to introduce in Pakistan after the upcoming October elections, condemned the statement as ``unpatriotic``.
The Peer Pagaro heads his own faction of the Muslim League, which is divided into half a dozen or more factions, and the military is trying desparately to unite them in order to pick a prime ministerial candidate from among them, by helping it to win the elections. Musharraf himself will become an all-powerful president under the new dispensation, after dumping the ``sham democracy`` under which Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif twice became prime ministers.
The Peer Pagaro, who helped General Zia ul Haq topple prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in a coup in 1977, has always been close to the generals, not because of any political skills or popularity among the masses but simply because he commands the unalloyed loyalty of the hundreds of thousands of Hur tribesmen who live in the deserts of Sindh, bordering India, and who have always formed the second line of defense for the Pakistani regular troops in the soft belly of Pakistan.
Most observers say that if and when the war breaks out in the context of the present standoff between the two nuclear-armed adversaries, India will attack from the same very region. In both the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, the Hurs of the Peer (the hereditary spirtual head) fought side-by-side with the Pakistani troops in that strategic area and they will again need the Peer`s help if the war breaks out.
Reliable political sources have told Asia Times Online that the government has sent intermediaries to mollify the Peer to keep him on their side. The Peer, according to sources, wants a nominee from the province of Sindh to become the prime minister of Pakistan under the ``real democracy`` which Musharraf wants to introduce after amending the 1973 prime ministerial constitution patterned on the Westminster model, which all military dictators in Pakistan have spurned and amended to enable them to wield real power.
Musharraf has constituted the National Reconstruction Bureau (NRB) under a retired lieutenant-general to amend the constitution, which he is allowed to do as the Supreme Court of Pakistan validated his coup until October 2002. The NRB is now busy making the amendments which Musharraf plans to have validated by the new parliament, the seats of which he has already increased by about 30 percent. The NRB is also making provisions for Musharraf to handpick about 50 technocrats to strengthen his hand.
Musharraf has also increased to 70 the quota of seats allocated for women. These will be elected on the basis of proportional representation while the regular candidates will be elected along party lines on the first-past-the-post basis.
But Musharraf is determined to keep both Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, both of whom are in exile, out of the electoral arena. Bhutto is now in Washington to lobby for support from the right quarters to allow her to return to Pakistan to participate in the elections. She has even said that she is ready to become prime minister under the new Musharraf dispensation, and has supported his move to crack down on Islamic jihadi organizations. But Musharraf has stuck to his stand that he will never allow either Sharif or Bhutto to contest elections while he is in power, and he is determined to remain in power even beyond the permitted five years from October of this year, unless the fates or the Americans intervene, according to independent political analysts.
And the general has removed far from the scene all the mullahs who can and are determined to muster street power to force the general out and install another general more to their liking.
Politicians other than the Peer of Pagaro are eyeing the key positions, including the prime ministrial post, and they are looking to the Americans more than the ruling junta because they perceive that power in Pakistan comes via Washington. Meanwhile, the Americans, especially the very active American Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain, are keeping a close eye on who might become the next prime minister.
One of the current favorites is Mehmood Kasuri, a lawyer from Lahore who runs a string of schools throughout Pakistan. As for the unpredictable and sometimes jocular Peer of Pagaro, his favorite could be anybody from the half a dozen politicians who go and touch his feet, as is the custom for the holy men of Sindh. The Peer is no fundamentalist and is known to keep the compay of beautiful women.
Intriguingly, some analysts believe the Peer of Pagaro might have made his Kashmir remarks with a wink and a nod from ``someone important`` to help solve the Kashmir dilemma by having both India and Pakistan maintain the parts of Kashmir they now hold - which just may be the ultimate solution.
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The Indian software success mantra
By Dewang Mehta, July 5, 2000
Fortune magazine - the bible for the global business community, recently dedicated a special section to Indian IT tzars in Silicon Valley (most of whom belong to the software world). Fortune spoke in glowing terms about these God-like icons who are beginning to dominate the IT Mecca in the US with their bold, brilliant and buoyant ventures.
As an Indian, one could not help but feel proud of the massive strides India has been making-not just in terms of individual successes, but as a nation-in the software and IT markets across the globe.
The Indian software industry-the arrowhead of our IT weaponry has virtually taken the country and the world by storm. Everywhere you look, the good news of the industry`s success gladdens the eye. Software is a cause that`s found many champions-from the Government, to the media, to the stock markets to the venture capitalists-the faith people have in this industry today is heartening.
Behind every successful man, the joke goes, stands a tired wife and a surprised mother-in-law. In the context of the software industry, we might possibly say, surprised bureaucracy. For ten years ago it was unimaginable for our Government functionaries to believe that Indian software might spell success.
Most bureaucrats (with the notable exception of a few, like Mr. N. Vittal) pooh-poohed the concept of an India Inc. in the software space, casting disbelieving glances at prognostications that pointed to an impending boom. In fact, the nascent industry (worth Rs. 250 crore then) was dismissed as one that would be no bigger than the Indian plastic bucket industry in Faridabad! One`s not sorry today that the industry disappointed its staunchest critics. Today, Ministers, bureaucrats, policy makers et all are in the frontline of supporting this industry.
The industry, that`s been growing at a consistently high rate of over 50 percent annual has grossed over Rs. 24,500 crore in 1999-2000 (US$ 5.7 billion) and as per NASSCOM`s projections, the software and services industry would earn revenues of more than Rs. 37,000 crore during 2000-01. The estimates for 2008 are even more staggering.
The NASSCOM-McKinsey report on IT points to a software exports figure of $50 billion by that year. This will represent a massive 35 percent of the overall exports from India and account for a 7.5 percent GDP growth. The industry will fuel the creation of an additional 2.3 million jobs. The statistics are as awe-aspiring as impressive.
Success formula?
Just what is it that`s causing the software industry to create this kind of ``tehelka`` (not of the cricketing kind!) in the global software arena? A number of cooks have come together to create a surprisingly delicious broth.
The first reason is the high degree of logic and mathematical abilities Indians possess. After all, it is India that invented the numeral zero! The software industry is also wowing its global counterparts with its high quality products and solutions, skill sets on state-of-the-art technologies and platforms, and its cost-competitive edge.
Indian software expertise is being sought by virtually every industry segment today-from airlines, banks, engineering and manufacturing to areas such as aerospace, entertainment and automation. In fact, each time Swiss Air, or British Airways, or Singapore Airlines flights take off and land on time, one needs to pay a small compliment to Indian programming talent that` s providing the software engine for these organizations. It`s another matter, our own home grown, desi, Indian Airlines is still losing its battle with the clock. The possible lack of ``India made`` software solutions could be a cause!
The fact of the matter is that customers across the globe are beginning to rely extensively on India`s high quality software offerings. Numbers indicate that over 185 of Fortune 500 companies outsourced their requirements to India in 1999-2000. Quality is the mantra that the country has been chanting for the past few years and the efforts of the industry in this regard have borne the much desired fruits.
The highest yardstick of quality in the software industry is the SEI (Software Engineering Institute-CMM) Level 5 certification. Today, of the 23 SEI Level 5 certified companies spanning the globe, an amazing 15 are in India. Of the top 300 software companies in India, 170 boast ISO 9000 quality certifications. Quality, then differentiates us from some of our other competitors overseas, providing our organizations with that much valued edge.
A study conducted and funded by the World Bank in the US has confirmed that Indian vendors are the number one choice of a multitude of companies when it comes to outsourcing software. Now that`s some vote of confidence!
Three barometers of success
The success and failure of any industry can be gauged by three feel good factors-the fortunes of that industry on the stock markets, the attitude of the Government regarding the industry, and the impressions overseas customers carry about the prowess of the industry.
The Indian software industry, by all accounts measures up honorably on each of these counts. The stock markets were in fact the first to react to the on-going software and dot com revolution, backing aggressively the new born ``high potential`` listings. In January 1999, the market capitalization of the Indian software industry was US $4 billion, which went up to almost $95 billion in February this year.
As of June 30, 2000, the figure stands at $55 billion, which though a bit down, is certainly not out. The recent downslide in the stock market should also become a source of discouragement, analysts say. It is temporary and will enable us to learn from the mistakes of Western companies in the dot com domain.
The encouraging news is that in the last one year, two infotech companies have made to the Nasdaq-Infosys and Satyam Infoway. Over the next two years, 20 more companies will list on the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), the Nasdaq and the London Stock Exchange, truly providing a global outlook to our endeavors.
The second success pointer is the Government`s positive stand vis-à-vis the software industry. It`s true when people say, software has been the blue-eyed boy of the Government, the darling of the political parties, and the recently anointed IT chieftain by the venture capital community.
The Government`s ready acceptance of the demands of the software sector, its efforts to come out with an extremely IT friendly budget, its quick passage of the IT Bill (covering cyber laws) and its open-mindedness about issues such as improvement in IT infrastructure, are all signs of the soft spot, the powers-that-be have for this industry.
On the policy side, while major steps have already been initiated, we still need to make sure our cyber laws are implemented in both letter and spirit. The Government has in fact gone all out to create an environment conducive for the growth of both the export and domestic software markets. In reducing duty on software to zero percent, rationalizing other taxation and ESOP related laws and continuing tax holiday , the Government has shown its positive intent regarding the software sector.
Our STPs (Software Technology Parks-specialized software exporting zones) are performing exceedingly well, contributing over 65 percent of software exports from the country today. Here too, the Government`s helping hand has been visible. State Governments are also getting into the IT act today. Most states across the country have an IT framework in place and are stretching themselves to prove that they mean business when it comes to software.
States are in fact vying with each other to position themselves as the next Silicon Valley`s of India. The emergence of Hyderabad (thanks to the key initiatives by chief minister Chandrababu Naidu) as an emerging software development city in India, is an act a number of other states have followed.
On the telecom infrastructure front too, we can expect to see a lot of action. NASSCOM has launched what it calls ``Operation Bandwidth``--an attempt to get the Government to provide at least 300 GB of Internet bandwidth by 2005. Anticipating a 1000 fold increase in bandwidth demand over the next five years, NASSCOM is stating that India could lose business worth as much as US$ 22.5 billion if the bandwidth issue is not resolved.
IT enabled services will also receive a shot in the arm once infrastructure improves and we are able to alter some laws governing connectivity. Such services, including call centers, medical transcription, and other support options, will not only generate massive employment opportunities across India, they will also help rope in India`s educated ``woman power`` that will be able to work from home by pressing the right keys. In other words, tele-working is the answer for India.
The Government appears to be in a listening mood on the bandwidth and connectivity related issues, and the signs are therefore propitious. The dependence foreign customers are beginning to show on the strengths of India `s software skills is yet another barometer of the segment`s overall good health.
Today, the US is predicting a shortage of over 300,000 professionals across its industries. Indian software talent could easily plug this demand-supply gap. Similarly nations such as Germany, Austria and Japan are tapping on our doors for skilled professionals. Opportunity then is certainly knocking in the form of 20,000 pros for the German market, 15,000 skilled personnel for Austria and a hefty 40,000 experts for Japan.
The minister of IT Mr. Pramod Mahajan considers such demands for Indian talent a ``challenge for India, rather than promoters of a brain drain.`` The attitude of the Government then is extremely positive. The Indian industry too has to match this enthusiasm and further expand its base of specialists.
Today, we are talking about churning out around 75,000 computing graduates every year. A million more are added by the private training institutes. However the number of graduates has to be urgently beefed up to over 200,000 over the next three to five years if we have to grab the emerging manpower opportunity with both hands. India has to plan for upgrading our RECs to the level of IITs and expand the number of IITs to one in every state.
Another recent development in the software market which is expected to provide a further fillip to the sector is the arrival of venture capital into the country. Venture Capital-hitherto an unheard phrase-is finally making an appearance in our software lexicons.
The dotcom revolution currently taking place in India owes its momentum in fact, to the vital financial lifeblood provided by angel investors and Venture Capitalists (VCs. NASSCOM is persuading the Government to provide greater concessions to VCs, in order to further spur the market.
Mergers and acquisitions are going to be the other big software market movers and shakers. Analysts state that dot com`s should increase market capitalization and buy brick and mortar companies (something like the AOL-Time Warner merger, where AOL initiated the takeover).
The Government`s role in such as environment needs to be one of a facilitator. It should encourage such mergers and acquisitions, rather than stand in their way, industry pundits add.
All in all, the mood within the IT and software industries is very upbeat. India is making tremendous strides in these segments, improving its stakes in markets both at home and abroad. We now need to take the IT revolution to its next logical phase. Opportunities are knocking. We need to open our doors! We need to take this revolution to gross-root level. Let us use the gains made in software industry to spur 100% literacy, more employment, entrepreneurship and its ultimate help in growth of Indian economy.
The Indian software success mantra
By Dewang Mehta, July 5, 2000
Fortune magazine - the bible for the global business community, recently dedicated a special section to Indian IT tzars in Silicon Valley (most of whom belong to the software world). Fortune spoke in glowing terms about these God-like icons who are beginning to dominate the IT Mecca in the US with their bold, brilliant and buoyant ventures.
As an Indian, one could not help but feel proud of the massive strides India has been making-not just in terms of individual successes, but as a nation-in the software and IT markets across the globe.
The Indian software industry-the arrowhead of our IT weaponry has virtually taken the country and the world by storm. Everywhere you look, the good news of the industry`s success gladdens the eye. Software is a cause that`s found many champions-from the Government, to the media, to the stock markets to the venture capitalists-the faith people have in this industry today is heartening.
Behind every successful man, the joke goes, stands a tired wife and a surprised mother-in-law. In the context of the software industry, we might possibly say, surprised bureaucracy. For ten years ago it was unimaginable for our Government functionaries to believe that Indian software might spell success.
Most bureaucrats (with the notable exception of a few, like Mr. N. Vittal) pooh-poohed the concept of an India Inc. in the software space, casting disbelieving glances at prognostications that pointed to an impending boom. In fact, the nascent industry (worth Rs. 250 crore then) was dismissed as one that would be no bigger than the Indian plastic bucket industry in Faridabad! One`s not sorry today that the industry disappointed its staunchest critics. Today, Ministers, bureaucrats, policy makers et all are in the frontline of supporting this industry.
The industry, that`s been growing at a consistently high rate of over 50 percent annual has grossed over Rs. 24,500 crore in 1999-2000 (US$ 5.7 billion) and as per NASSCOM`s projections, the software and services industry would earn revenues of more than Rs. 37,000 crore during 2000-01. The estimates for 2008 are even more staggering.
The NASSCOM-McKinsey report on IT points to a software exports figure of $50 billion by that year. This will represent a massive 35 percent of the overall exports from India and account for a 7.5 percent GDP growth. The industry will fuel the creation of an additional 2.3 million jobs. The statistics are as awe-aspiring as impressive.
Success formula?
Just what is it that`s causing the software industry to create this kind of ``tehelka`` (not of the cricketing kind!) in the global software arena? A number of cooks have come together to create a surprisingly delicious broth.
The first reason is the high degree of logic and mathematical abilities Indians possess. After all, it is India that invented the numeral zero! The software industry is also wowing its global counterparts with its high quality products and solutions, skill sets on state-of-the-art technologies and platforms, and its cost-competitive edge.
Indian software expertise is being sought by virtually every industry segment today-from airlines, banks, engineering and manufacturing to areas such as aerospace, entertainment and automation. In fact, each time Swiss Air, or British Airways, or Singapore Airlines flights take off and land on time, one needs to pay a small compliment to Indian programming talent that` s providing the software engine for these organizations. It`s another matter, our own home grown, desi, Indian Airlines is still losing its battle with the clock. The possible lack of ``India made`` software solutions could be a cause!
The fact of the matter is that customers across the globe are beginning to rely extensively on India`s high quality software offerings. Numbers indicate that over 185 of Fortune 500 companies outsourced their requirements to India in 1999-2000. Quality is the mantra that the country has been chanting for the past few years and the efforts of the industry in this regard have borne the much desired fruits.
The highest yardstick of quality in the software industry is the SEI (Software Engineering Institute-CMM) Level 5 certification. Today, of the 23 SEI Level 5 certified companies spanning the globe, an amazing 15 are in India. Of the top 300 software companies in India, 170 boast ISO 9000 quality certifications. Quality, then differentiates us from some of our other competitors overseas, providing our organizations with that much valued edge.
A study conducted and funded by the World Bank in the US has confirmed that Indian vendors are the number one choice of a multitude of companies when it comes to outsourcing software. Now that`s some vote of confidence!
Three barometers of success
The success and failure of any industry can be gauged by three feel good factors-the fortunes of that industry on the stock markets, the attitude of the Government regarding the industry, and the impressions overseas customers carry about the prowess of the industry.
The Indian software industry, by all accounts measures up honorably on each of these counts. The stock markets were in fact the first to react to the on-going software and dot com revolution, backing aggressively the new born ``high potential`` listings. In January 1999, the market capitalization of the Indian software industry was US $4 billion, which went up to almost $95 billion in February this year.
As of June 30, 2000, the figure stands at $55 billion, which though a bit down, is certainly not out. The recent downslide in the stock market should also become a source of discouragement, analysts say. It is temporary and will enable us to learn from the mistakes of Western companies in the dot com domain.
The encouraging news is that in the last one year, two infotech companies have made to the Nasdaq-Infosys and Satyam Infoway. Over the next two years, 20 more companies will list on the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), the Nasdaq and the London Stock Exchange, truly providing a global outlook to our endeavors.
The second success pointer is the Government`s positive stand vis-à-vis the software industry. It`s true when people say, software has been the blue-eyed boy of the Government, the darling of the political parties, and the recently anointed IT chieftain by the venture capital community.
The Government`s ready acceptance of the demands of the software sector, its efforts to come out with an extremely IT friendly budget, its quick passage of the IT Bill (covering cyber laws) and its open-mindedness about issues such as improvement in IT infrastructure, are all signs of the soft spot, the powers-that-be have for this industry.
On the policy side, while major steps have already been initiated, we still need to make sure our cyber laws are implemented in both letter and spirit. The Government has in fact gone all out to create an environment conducive for the growth of both the export and domestic software markets. In reducing duty on software to zero percent, rationalizing other taxation and ESOP related laws and continuing tax holiday , the Government has shown its positive intent regarding the software sector.
Our STPs (Software Technology Parks-specialized software exporting zones) are performing exceedingly well, contributing over 65 percent of software exports from the country today. Here too, the Government`s helping hand has been visible. State Governments are also getting into the IT act today. Most states across the country have an IT framework in place and are stretching themselves to prove that they mean business when it comes to software.
States are in fact vying with each other to position themselves as the next Silicon Valley`s of India. The emergence of Hyderabad (thanks to the key initiatives by chief minister Chandrababu Naidu) as an emerging software development city in India, is an act a number of other states have followed.
On the telecom infrastructure front too, we can expect to see a lot of action. NASSCOM has launched what it calls ``Operation Bandwidth``--an attempt to get the Government to provide at least 300 GB of Internet bandwidth by 2005. Anticipating a 1000 fold increase in bandwidth demand over the next five years, NASSCOM is stating that India could lose business worth as much as US$ 22.5 billion if the bandwidth issue is not resolved.
IT enabled services will also receive a shot in the arm once infrastructure improves and we are able to alter some laws governing connectivity. Such services, including call centers, medical transcription, and other support options, will not only generate massive employment opportunities across India, they will also help rope in India`s educated ``woman power`` that will be able to work from home by pressing the right keys. In other words, tele-working is the answer for India.
The Government appears to be in a listening mood on the bandwidth and connectivity related issues, and the signs are therefore propitious. The dependence foreign customers are beginning to show on the strengths of India `s software skills is yet another barometer of the segment`s overall good health.
Today, the US is predicting a shortage of over 300,000 professionals across its industries. Indian software talent could easily plug this demand-supply gap. Similarly nations such as Germany, Austria and Japan are tapping on our doors for skilled professionals. Opportunity then is certainly knocking in the form of 20,000 pros for the German market, 15,000 skilled personnel for Austria and a hefty 40,000 experts for Japan.
The minister of IT Mr. Pramod Mahajan considers such demands for Indian talent a ``challenge for India, rather than promoters of a brain drain.`` The attitude of the Government then is extremely positive. The Indian industry too has to match this enthusiasm and further expand its base of specialists.
Today, we are talking about churning out around 75,000 computing graduates every year. A million more are added by the private training institutes. However the number of graduates has to be urgently beefed up to over 200,000 over the next three to five years if we have to grab the emerging manpower opportunity with both hands. India has to plan for upgrading our RECs to the level of IITs and expand the number of IITs to one in every state.
Another recent development in the software market which is expected to provide a further fillip to the sector is the arrival of venture capital into the country. Venture Capital-hitherto an unheard phrase-is finally making an appearance in our software lexicons.
The dotcom revolution currently taking place in India owes its momentum in fact, to the vital financial lifeblood provided by angel investors and Venture Capitalists (VCs. NASSCOM is persuading the Government to provide greater concessions to VCs, in order to further spur the market.
Mergers and acquisitions are going to be the other big software market movers and shakers. Analysts state that dot com`s should increase market capitalization and buy brick and mortar companies (something like the AOL-Time Warner merger, where AOL initiated the takeover).
The Government`s role in such as environment needs to be one of a facilitator. It should encourage such mergers and acquisitions, rather than stand in their way, industry pundits add.
All in all, the mood within the IT and software industries is very upbeat. India is making tremendous strides in these segments, improving its stakes in markets both at home and abroad. We now need to take the IT revolution to its next logical phase. Opportunities are knocking. We need to open our doors! We need to take this revolution to gross-root level. Let us use the gains made in software industry to spur 100% literacy, more employment, entrepreneurship and its ultimate help in growth of Indian economy.
#110 Posted by mohajir on July 5, 2000 11:01:39 am
India leads in IT entrepreneurship
DAWN, Pakistan
By M. A. H.
Wipro, Infosys Technologies, Pentafour Software and Satyam Computers. Ramalinga Rau, Srina Madala, Narayan Murthy, Lalit Kanodia, Desh Despande, Rajindra Singh, K B Chandresekhar, Naveen Jain, Azim Hashim Premji, Sanjiv Sidha, Vinod Khosla and Mohanbir Sawhney. These companies or men may not mean much to us in Pakistan but they are big names from the Indian software industry.
The companies named above have been listed, after a survey, by the prestigious fortnightly Business India, in the top one hundred Indian companies, on the strength of their performance of the year 1999. Based on compound average growth rate of sales for three years, three of them - Satyam, Infosys and Pentafour - are among the top six fastest growing companies, logging 91.6 per cent, 77.9 per cent and 67.4 per cent growth, respectively.
The men named are those Indians who have made original contributions, in their own specialities, in the development of information technology not only in India but also in the developed parts of the world. According to the American Business Magazine, the last three (all Indian Americans) figure among the top 25 e-business leaders of the world. Sanjiv Sidhu`s net worth is $6 billion, and Sawhney is referred to as a pioneer theorist of the Net Age.
During the year 1999, the sale recorded by the companies mentioned above ranged from Satyam: Rs3,780 million, and Wipro (owned by Azim Premji): Rs18,040 million. For the year ending March, 2000, Wipro`s sales rose to Rs23,130 million). Their profits varied between Satyam`s Rs728 million (86.3 per cent growth) to Wipro`s Rs1,702 million (57.8 per cent growth, and for the year, ending March 2000, its profit was Rs3000 million, an increase of about 77 per cent); assets were from NIIT`s Rs1,270 million to Wipro`s Rs4,140 million; and the market capitalization was from Satyam`s Rs87,480 million (999.3 per cent increase) to Wipro`s Rs257,850 million (202.8 per cent increase) to Infosys` Rs266,890 million (an increase of 11,283.9 per cent).
For the year ending March, 1999, the value of Indian software export was $2.5 billion as against $1.75 billion for the previous year. The average growth rate of software export during the previous five years has been 50 per cent. Though for the year ending March 2000, the Indian National Association of Software and Service Companies had estimated that the exports would touch $3.9 billion, press reports indicate that $4 billion mark had been crossed. The projection for the year March 2002, is $10 billion. The combined software and hardware export target for the year 2008 is $50 billion out of which $38 billion would be the value of software export.
Further, it has been estimated that by the end of this year, India would capture 15 per cent of the total world market for upper-end manufacturing software, in addition to a large business in lower-end software. Currently, the US is the biggest export partner (61 per cent), followed by Europe (23 per cent), Japan (9 per cent), and South-East Asia (4 per cent). Not surprisingly, Clinton, during his recent visit, acknowledged India as an emerging IT superpower.
Last year, a landmark achievement was the decision of the Carnegie-Mellon University to establish its first non-US campus of the Software Engineering Institute in Bangalore in collaboration with the Indian Institute of Science and the State government.
Sponsored and financed by the US government, the Software Engineering Institute was established in 1984, in the Carnegie-Mellon University as a research and development centre for providing quality software for the US defence system. The Institute is known for its Capability Maturity Model, abbreviated as SEI-CMM, which is the highest software quality certification. Till May 2000, only 18 firms worldwide have won the top level five of SEI-CMM, and twelve of them are Indian companies!
With their emphasis on state-of-the-art, high-end quality products, for which they get contracts from the world`s big companies, one of the Indian companies, NIIT, plans to become the largest computer education company in the world by the year 2002. Already, it is included in the top five computer education and training companies in the world.
Lalit Kanodia`s Datamatics developed a number of products for Wong Laboratories (including the word processor) and established the first satellite link-up from India with the USA to prepare software for the well-known company Bell. That was way back in 1989.
The way the Indian companies have performed and developed packages, both at the high-end and the low-end, has attracted foreign investment in this booming industry. Out of 4,500 software companies in Bangalore, about 1,500 have a foreign investment of about $2 billion.
Intel, a microchip giant, is already present in India in partnership with one of the big industrial groups. It is now going to purchase about 20 per cent share of the group`s software company. In 1999, Intel spent $10 million in India in knowledge start-ups. This year, the investment will be ten times more.
Infosys Technologies are increasing foreign institutional investment from 26 per cent to 40 per cent. They have expertise in complex integration projects, and have entered into an alliance with a prestigious German e-commerce firm to develop solutions for business-to-business commerce.
Wipro have joined hands with Vignette Corporation of the US, a provider of software application for e-business relationship management, to offer e-business solutions.
Satyam Computers, which have worldwide research and development centres, have signed an agreement with Microsoft to develop and provide Web and enterprise-integration systems to state-run corporations in the US.
Bill Gates has already selected Hyderabad to establish the company`s first development centre outside the US.
One of Satyam`s subsidiaries has launched a portal in a joint venture with a Singapore based company, to cater to the entire supply chain of plastic industry. Another joint venture is with TWR, an American $17-billion company, for providing systems and engineering services, relating to the automative sector, worldwide.
Another $17-billion US service company, Electronic Data Systems, has a development centre in Madras, and is going to establish another one in Pune. It has worked out its expansion plan and hopes to acquire some Indian IT companies.
The reputed German firm SAP established its Indian subsidiary in 1996 and all the top Indian industrial houses became its customers. SAP India`s growth has been phenomenal. For the last three years, the compound annual growth rate was over 100 per cent, with a base of 7,000 customers. Its R&D centre in Bangalore, employing 300 experts, is SAP`s third largest facility in the world. To have the right type of professionals, it has set up two colleges, in Bombay and Bangalore. It is also running a high-grade training centre in Madras and is going to add two more in Delhi and Calcutta.
The Indian subsidiary of the Dutch Scale Business Solutions, established in Pune in 1995, which is mainly concerned with Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) solutions, has already captured 11 per cent of the ERP market in India.
For the non-resident-Indians (NRIs), who have made their mark in the IT industry abroad, India has now become a destination for establishing their own subsidiaries. Recently, Soft Sol Technologies, owned by Srini Madala, went for the initial public offer of Rs341.2 million to establish a subsidiary, Soft Sol India, which will develop software solutions for networking and e-commerce.
Adaptation is the key: Accepting new challenges and successfully adapting themselves to the rapidly changing environment in the industry, the Indian companies have changed their lines of work to more value-added business.
Indian firm, Infotech Enterprises pioneered Computer Aided Design (CAD) / Computer Assisted Manufacturing (CAM) in India. They built a huge project on Transportation Telematics for a foreign firm, and are now concentrating on Geographic Information Services (GIS) and Computer Aided Design and Drafting (CADD).
Tata Infotech are targeting for corporate specialist group and corporate technology groups, in collaboration with the world`s bigs like Sun Microsystems, Compaq, IBM and Cisco. With five development centres, they have turned to computer education and high-end training in their 160 training centres throughout India.
The Centre for Development of Telematics has worked as a catalyst for the Indian companies to enter the new field of telecom software and telecom software vendors, proving themselves to be cost-effective co-developers with telecom majors of the world. It is expected that the telecom software would share 25 per cent of the total Indian software exports.
In 1998-99, the total worth of the software industry in India was Rs190 billion, i e, $4.6 billion (including the in-house development at large corporate end-users). Ten years back, it was not more than Rs2 billion. For 2001-02, the projection is about Rs555 billion, i e, $13 billion, out of which $4 billion would be domestic, and $ 9 billion would be exports.
How has India achieved this competitive growth and emerged as a leader and a front-runner in this sector? The Indian pundits point to the mathematical tradition that is embedded in the Indian society. But the group of the Indian Institutes of Technology and the cluster of technical institutes of really high standards, both in the public and private sectors, are the fast-breeders of scientific manpower. India has the world`s second largest lake of technical, scientific and knowledgeable professionals, Currently, the Rs190 billion worth industry employs 250,000 IT engineers. For the next year, the demand is for another 140,000 knowledge workers. Many of them still look at the USA as their destination. Last year, out of the 150,000 visas issued by the US authorities to hire IT workers, more than 60 per cent were for Indian nationals! Despite this, India`s human resource base continues to be its greatest core competencies.
India has to be grateful to that controversial person, Sam Pitroda, who, during Rajiv Gandhi`s tenure, brought a change in the telecommunication scene, and launched the Centre for Development of Telematics. There is an increasing use of high-end software. More importantly, villages are coming online. Though the Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Chanbdrababu Naidu has presently confined IT facilities to government offices throughout the state, another chief minister, Digvijay Singh of Madhya Pradesh, is extending IT power to the masses in all tehsils and villages through Internet connectivity at homes and Cyber-cafes.
The Indian government has recognized IT as the frontier area of knowledge and treats it as a thrust area. A liberal tax and import policy framework has given the Indians a competitive advantage in cost, speed and delivery.
In the wake of the new favourable budgetary measures, we, in Pakistan, will have to move really fast to find a niche in the IT sun.
DAWN, Pakistan
By M. A. H.
Wipro, Infosys Technologies, Pentafour Software and Satyam Computers. Ramalinga Rau, Srina Madala, Narayan Murthy, Lalit Kanodia, Desh Despande, Rajindra Singh, K B Chandresekhar, Naveen Jain, Azim Hashim Premji, Sanjiv Sidha, Vinod Khosla and Mohanbir Sawhney. These companies or men may not mean much to us in Pakistan but they are big names from the Indian software industry.
The companies named above have been listed, after a survey, by the prestigious fortnightly Business India, in the top one hundred Indian companies, on the strength of their performance of the year 1999. Based on compound average growth rate of sales for three years, three of them - Satyam, Infosys and Pentafour - are among the top six fastest growing companies, logging 91.6 per cent, 77.9 per cent and 67.4 per cent growth, respectively.
The men named are those Indians who have made original contributions, in their own specialities, in the development of information technology not only in India but also in the developed parts of the world. According to the American Business Magazine, the last three (all Indian Americans) figure among the top 25 e-business leaders of the world. Sanjiv Sidhu`s net worth is $6 billion, and Sawhney is referred to as a pioneer theorist of the Net Age.
During the year 1999, the sale recorded by the companies mentioned above ranged from Satyam: Rs3,780 million, and Wipro (owned by Azim Premji): Rs18,040 million. For the year ending March, 2000, Wipro`s sales rose to Rs23,130 million). Their profits varied between Satyam`s Rs728 million (86.3 per cent growth) to Wipro`s Rs1,702 million (57.8 per cent growth, and for the year, ending March 2000, its profit was Rs3000 million, an increase of about 77 per cent); assets were from NIIT`s Rs1,270 million to Wipro`s Rs4,140 million; and the market capitalization was from Satyam`s Rs87,480 million (999.3 per cent increase) to Wipro`s Rs257,850 million (202.8 per cent increase) to Infosys` Rs266,890 million (an increase of 11,283.9 per cent).
For the year ending March, 1999, the value of Indian software export was $2.5 billion as against $1.75 billion for the previous year. The average growth rate of software export during the previous five years has been 50 per cent. Though for the year ending March 2000, the Indian National Association of Software and Service Companies had estimated that the exports would touch $3.9 billion, press reports indicate that $4 billion mark had been crossed. The projection for the year March 2002, is $10 billion. The combined software and hardware export target for the year 2008 is $50 billion out of which $38 billion would be the value of software export.
Further, it has been estimated that by the end of this year, India would capture 15 per cent of the total world market for upper-end manufacturing software, in addition to a large business in lower-end software. Currently, the US is the biggest export partner (61 per cent), followed by Europe (23 per cent), Japan (9 per cent), and South-East Asia (4 per cent). Not surprisingly, Clinton, during his recent visit, acknowledged India as an emerging IT superpower.
Last year, a landmark achievement was the decision of the Carnegie-Mellon University to establish its first non-US campus of the Software Engineering Institute in Bangalore in collaboration with the Indian Institute of Science and the State government.
Sponsored and financed by the US government, the Software Engineering Institute was established in 1984, in the Carnegie-Mellon University as a research and development centre for providing quality software for the US defence system. The Institute is known for its Capability Maturity Model, abbreviated as SEI-CMM, which is the highest software quality certification. Till May 2000, only 18 firms worldwide have won the top level five of SEI-CMM, and twelve of them are Indian companies!
With their emphasis on state-of-the-art, high-end quality products, for which they get contracts from the world`s big companies, one of the Indian companies, NIIT, plans to become the largest computer education company in the world by the year 2002. Already, it is included in the top five computer education and training companies in the world.
Lalit Kanodia`s Datamatics developed a number of products for Wong Laboratories (including the word processor) and established the first satellite link-up from India with the USA to prepare software for the well-known company Bell. That was way back in 1989.
The way the Indian companies have performed and developed packages, both at the high-end and the low-end, has attracted foreign investment in this booming industry. Out of 4,500 software companies in Bangalore, about 1,500 have a foreign investment of about $2 billion.
Intel, a microchip giant, is already present in India in partnership with one of the big industrial groups. It is now going to purchase about 20 per cent share of the group`s software company. In 1999, Intel spent $10 million in India in knowledge start-ups. This year, the investment will be ten times more.
Infosys Technologies are increasing foreign institutional investment from 26 per cent to 40 per cent. They have expertise in complex integration projects, and have entered into an alliance with a prestigious German e-commerce firm to develop solutions for business-to-business commerce.
Wipro have joined hands with Vignette Corporation of the US, a provider of software application for e-business relationship management, to offer e-business solutions.
Satyam Computers, which have worldwide research and development centres, have signed an agreement with Microsoft to develop and provide Web and enterprise-integration systems to state-run corporations in the US.
Bill Gates has already selected Hyderabad to establish the company`s first development centre outside the US.
One of Satyam`s subsidiaries has launched a portal in a joint venture with a Singapore based company, to cater to the entire supply chain of plastic industry. Another joint venture is with TWR, an American $17-billion company, for providing systems and engineering services, relating to the automative sector, worldwide.
Another $17-billion US service company, Electronic Data Systems, has a development centre in Madras, and is going to establish another one in Pune. It has worked out its expansion plan and hopes to acquire some Indian IT companies.
The reputed German firm SAP established its Indian subsidiary in 1996 and all the top Indian industrial houses became its customers. SAP India`s growth has been phenomenal. For the last three years, the compound annual growth rate was over 100 per cent, with a base of 7,000 customers. Its R&D centre in Bangalore, employing 300 experts, is SAP`s third largest facility in the world. To have the right type of professionals, it has set up two colleges, in Bombay and Bangalore. It is also running a high-grade training centre in Madras and is going to add two more in Delhi and Calcutta.
The Indian subsidiary of the Dutch Scale Business Solutions, established in Pune in 1995, which is mainly concerned with Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) solutions, has already captured 11 per cent of the ERP market in India.
For the non-resident-Indians (NRIs), who have made their mark in the IT industry abroad, India has now become a destination for establishing their own subsidiaries. Recently, Soft Sol Technologies, owned by Srini Madala, went for the initial public offer of Rs341.2 million to establish a subsidiary, Soft Sol India, which will develop software solutions for networking and e-commerce.
Adaptation is the key: Accepting new challenges and successfully adapting themselves to the rapidly changing environment in the industry, the Indian companies have changed their lines of work to more value-added business.
Indian firm, Infotech Enterprises pioneered Computer Aided Design (CAD) / Computer Assisted Manufacturing (CAM) in India. They built a huge project on Transportation Telematics for a foreign firm, and are now concentrating on Geographic Information Services (GIS) and Computer Aided Design and Drafting (CADD).
Tata Infotech are targeting for corporate specialist group and corporate technology groups, in collaboration with the world`s bigs like Sun Microsystems, Compaq, IBM and Cisco. With five development centres, they have turned to computer education and high-end training in their 160 training centres throughout India.
The Centre for Development of Telematics has worked as a catalyst for the Indian companies to enter the new field of telecom software and telecom software vendors, proving themselves to be cost-effective co-developers with telecom majors of the world. It is expected that the telecom software would share 25 per cent of the total Indian software exports.
In 1998-99, the total worth of the software industry in India was Rs190 billion, i e, $4.6 billion (including the in-house development at large corporate end-users). Ten years back, it was not more than Rs2 billion. For 2001-02, the projection is about Rs555 billion, i e, $13 billion, out of which $4 billion would be domestic, and $ 9 billion would be exports.
How has India achieved this competitive growth and emerged as a leader and a front-runner in this sector? The Indian pundits point to the mathematical tradition that is embedded in the Indian society. But the group of the Indian Institutes of Technology and the cluster of technical institutes of really high standards, both in the public and private sectors, are the fast-breeders of scientific manpower. India has the world`s second largest lake of technical, scientific and knowledgeable professionals, Currently, the Rs190 billion worth industry employs 250,000 IT engineers. For the next year, the demand is for another 140,000 knowledge workers. Many of them still look at the USA as their destination. Last year, out of the 150,000 visas issued by the US authorities to hire IT workers, more than 60 per cent were for Indian nationals! Despite this, India`s human resource base continues to be its greatest core competencies.
India has to be grateful to that controversial person, Sam Pitroda, who, during Rajiv Gandhi`s tenure, brought a change in the telecommunication scene, and launched the Centre for Development of Telematics. There is an increasing use of high-end software. More importantly, villages are coming online. Though the Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Chanbdrababu Naidu has presently confined IT facilities to government offices throughout the state, another chief minister, Digvijay Singh of Madhya Pradesh, is extending IT power to the masses in all tehsils and villages through Internet connectivity at homes and Cyber-cafes.
The Indian government has recognized IT as the frontier area of knowledge and treats it as a thrust area. A liberal tax and import policy framework has given the Indians a competitive advantage in cost, speed and delivery.
In the wake of the new favourable budgetary measures, we, in Pakistan, will have to move really fast to find a niche in the IT sun.
#109 Posted by rsaxena on June 28, 2000 1:59:28 pm
cbb, the only thing Pakistanis have ruled in recent memory is their 5 wives each. if your country was in the gutter with no ray of hope and the only thing you read day in and day out in the world media was terrorism and Pakistan and loan defaults, you too would cling to the distant past. can`t expect too much from a stillborn country anway...
#108 Posted by cbb on June 28, 2000 1:42:04 pm
krashid #105
It is almost amusing that you people still cling
to the memories of ``thousand`` years when you ruled
Hindus. That being the case, you should be more
concerned with where you are now.
Industrial growth is half of the annual
population growth. Total revenues collected by
CBR last year were just enough to pay the
interest on the debt. Pakistan never had an
orderly change of governement. And list goes on
and on. Read your own papers. What they say, day
in day out, about Pakistan. Check where
inverstors` confidence level is.
I have never seen Christians bragging about
ruling half of the World few decades ago. And
that is what makes you different.
You live in dreams. Dream of Kashmir. Dream of
ruling India. Mind you , there are one billion
and more Indians. They will never let that
happen. Indians have already shown you in last 50
years many truths
It is almost amusing that you people still cling
to the memories of ``thousand`` years when you ruled
Hindus. That being the case, you should be more
concerned with where you are now.
Industrial growth is half of the annual
population growth. Total revenues collected by
CBR last year were just enough to pay the
interest on the debt. Pakistan never had an
orderly change of governement. And list goes on
and on. Read your own papers. What they say, day
in day out, about Pakistan. Check where
inverstors` confidence level is.
I have never seen Christians bragging about
ruling half of the World few decades ago. And
that is what makes you different.
You live in dreams. Dream of Kashmir. Dream of
ruling India. Mind you , there are one billion
and more Indians. They will never let that
happen. Indians have already shown you in last 50
years many truths
#107 Posted by veeresh on June 28, 2000 12:14:15 pm
This smelling of curry thing has got my goat. I am no lamb when it comes to defening my food. I have no beef with you whether you are Paki, India, Bangladeshi, Birmingham or Baltee kind of curry. But I am no chicken if you think that I will take this smell of curry thing lying down. It is bad enough that we gab like turkeys at chowk, but all the time curry? Is there anything left, or should I go back to the fields of my forefathers and run my buffaloes over all of you?
Umair, just one question: just what do the Pakis (Cisco or otherwise) who get together in Silicon Valley eat? Tex-mex?
Personally, I prefer lentils . . .
Umair, just one question: just what do the Pakis (Cisco or otherwise) who get together in Silicon Valley eat? Tex-mex?
Personally, I prefer lentils . . .
#106 Posted by Harpreet on June 28, 2000 12:14:15 pm
Krashid,
I typed out a long reply to you but it didnt submit so I had to change my name, and I cant be bothered to reply to you at length again. So you win. Your venomous barbs really hurt me....I havent laughed so much in ages though about your threat to let the taliban loose on me, coming from a chickens * *t coward sitting behind his computer, who professes moderation, it really takes the biscuit as we say here in England.
Read my post again. It was a plea for less self righteousness. You are intelligent enough to type and click a mouse, so use it for reasons other than throwing insults (I say the same to Indians as well)...Rsaxena may be bigoted but I visit this site because I find it fascinating to read the views of Pakis, who are so similar and yet so different to me.
As a Sikh and a minority from India I despise BJP extremism, and extremism in any forms.
You and Rsaxena are made for each other....you guys should get it on....
I typed out a long reply to you but it didnt submit so I had to change my name, and I cant be bothered to reply to you at length again. So you win. Your venomous barbs really hurt me....I havent laughed so much in ages though about your threat to let the taliban loose on me, coming from a chickens * *t coward sitting behind his computer, who professes moderation, it really takes the biscuit as we say here in England.
Read my post again. It was a plea for less self righteousness. You are intelligent enough to type and click a mouse, so use it for reasons other than throwing insults (I say the same to Indians as well)...Rsaxena may be bigoted but I visit this site because I find it fascinating to read the views of Pakis, who are so similar and yet so different to me.
As a Sikh and a minority from India I despise BJP extremism, and extremism in any forms.
You and Rsaxena are made for each other....you guys should get it on....
#105 Posted by krashid on June 28, 2000 12:40:32 am
RSaxena!
Good to see your post ending with Wassalam meaning ``Peace upon You``.
With time you will learn more manners.
Good to see your post ending with Wassalam meaning ``Peace upon You``.
With time you will learn more manners.
#104 Posted by rsaxena on June 27, 2000 10:05:35 pm
Re: krashid
The only ruling in the past 50 years has been of Pakistan by India over 3 wars. Especially entertaining was the circumcision of Bangladesh from Pakistan by Indian knives.
And not to mention the countless diplomatic victories. Running from Kargil with your tails between your shalwars while the world laughed as the Musharraf character put his jooty in his mouth on the BBC and admitted what India had convinced the world of anyway. Not to mention the embarassing Bill Clinton trip.
Not to mention the economic games which have your beards in a tight knot. You guys got so hot under your shalwars that in your pathetic attempts to match India`s defense spending and wrest away Kashmir, you took your economy to the dog kennel. Good luck pulling it out of the pig sty. And chant inshallah from now till pork eating fest but you will not get Kashmir.
khuda hafiz and wasssalamalekum and happy jihad to you.
The only ruling in the past 50 years has been of Pakistan by India over 3 wars. Especially entertaining was the circumcision of Bangladesh from Pakistan by Indian knives.
And not to mention the countless diplomatic victories. Running from Kargil with your tails between your shalwars while the world laughed as the Musharraf character put his jooty in his mouth on the BBC and admitted what India had convinced the world of anyway. Not to mention the embarassing Bill Clinton trip.
Not to mention the economic games which have your beards in a tight knot. You guys got so hot under your shalwars that in your pathetic attempts to match India`s defense spending and wrest away Kashmir, you took your economy to the dog kennel. Good luck pulling it out of the pig sty. And chant inshallah from now till pork eating fest but you will not get Kashmir.
khuda hafiz and wasssalamalekum and happy jihad to you.
#103 Posted by the_happy_one on June 27, 2000 9:33:36 pm
``You smell bad``.
``You smell worse``.
``You poopy smelly``.
``You poopidy shmelly poopooo``.
``My papa is bigger than yours``.
``But my papa can beat up your papa``.
``You smelly``.
``You smelly``.
``You``!
``You``!!!!!
``You smell worse``.
``You poopy smelly``.
``You poopidy shmelly poopooo``.
``My papa is bigger than yours``.
``But my papa can beat up your papa``.
``You smelly``.
``You smelly``.
``You``!
``You``!!!!!
#102 Posted by krashid on June 27, 2000 7:25:54 pm
RSAXENA #93
These Shalwar Kamiz people with Koran in hand have ruled you for thousand of years.
They have bent you in Kashmir and Allah-willing, they will straigten your minds full of Gobar.
You only understand one language, to which you have been adopted in most of your history.
In psychology, you tend to repeat your past.
These Shalwar Kamiz people with Koran in hand have ruled you for thousand of years.
They have bent you in Kashmir and Allah-willing, they will straigten your minds full of Gobar.
You only understand one language, to which you have been adopted in most of your history.
In psychology, you tend to repeat your past.
#101 Posted by krashid on June 27, 2000 7:25:54 pm
Harpreet#94
You are right that Indians are capable of afflicting brutalities.
I agree with you as long as they are civilians and non Hindu.
They can only do brutalities. Otherwise, their sh-it comes out in seeing Chinese soldiers.
As far as your remarks regarding Pakistan and Shia-Sunni. It is fight between groups and not state sponsored terrorism against minorities like in India.
You are right that Indians are capable of afflicting brutalities.
I agree with you as long as they are civilians and non Hindu.
They can only do brutalities. Otherwise, their sh-it comes out in seeing Chinese soldiers.
As far as your remarks regarding Pakistan and Shia-Sunni. It is fight between groups and not state sponsored terrorism against minorities like in India.
#100 Posted by krashid on June 27, 2000 7:25:54 pm
cbb!
You wrote that RSaxena brand is doing a good job in cutting Paki rhetotic.
I think Indian rhetoric is cut more efficiently in Kashmir assembly.
You wrote that RSaxena brand is doing a good job in cutting Paki rhetotic.
I think Indian rhetoric is cut more efficiently in Kashmir assembly.
#99 Posted by krashid on June 27, 2000 7:25:54 pm
Harpreet # 94
I think the best treatment given to you is by Taliban and Kashmiris.
After reading your replies, you are worthy of it.
There is no treatment for people like you. You don`t understand the soft language.
I may not prefer fundamentalist, but you need it.
I think the best treatment given to you is by Taliban and Kashmiris.
After reading your replies, you are worthy of it.
There is no treatment for people like you. You don`t understand the soft language.
I may not prefer fundamentalist, but you need it.
#98 Posted by rsaxena on June 27, 2000 1:00:08 pm
Daring,
I suggest you send all your Begums from Peshawar-e-karo-kari to Karnataka, India. It is now the first state in India to offer free primary education to girls through the 10th grade while boys still have to pay.
And guess what? No all black uniforms and no honour rituals by your brothers and fathers.
Cheers,
RS
I suggest you send all your Begums from Peshawar-e-karo-kari to Karnataka, India. It is now the first state in India to offer free primary education to girls through the 10th grade while boys still have to pay.
And guess what? No all black uniforms and no honour rituals by your brothers and fathers.
Cheers,
RS
#97 Posted by sadna on June 27, 2000 1:00:08 pm
Zahra,
I found your comments on Indian/Pakistani women professionals interesting and hope to hear more on that whereever and whenever :-).
Sadhana
I found your comments on Indian/Pakistani women professionals interesting and hope to hear more on that whereever and whenever :-).
Sadhana
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