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#47 Posted by nasah on January 2, 2003 8:46:50 pm
The Weirdest Foreign Policy of the Weirdest President that ever occupied the White House --
the Juvenile Junior -- like a bumbling buffoon -- tries to learn how to answer questions on the the patently moronic dichotomy of his -- Iraq vs. North Korea policy -- and what to say to the Press on some of the same questions -- that are being asked on -- THIS Board.
Today -- the NYT gives a glimpse of how the mediocre advisors of this mediocre President -- are frantically scurrying like rats -- trying to find some `logical` answers to spoon-feed this infantile President about his daily stupid babbles about -- waging war against Iraq --
a country -- that emphatically says it does not have nuclear material -- a country that is allowing Inspectors to check any evidence to the contrary --
BUT Diplomacy-No war -- against North Korea
a country -- that just booted out all UN inspectors, IEAE inspectors -- so unceremoniously.
NYT writes -- ``Mr. Bush`s aides say .... in the next few weeks they plan to assert that Iraq is a special case, impervious to the kinds of economic pressure that Mr. Bush is trying with North Korea. ``We have basically exhausted diplomacy and containment in Iraq,`` one senior administration official said today. ``We haven`t in Korea.``
(NOW THAT`S IS A PURE LILLY WHITE LIE -- the opposite is true -- Clinton talked to North Korean for 8 years to no avail -- we had no diplomacy with Iraq only war)
NYT -- ``But in private, several of the president`s advisers acknowledge that the North Korean crisis has complicated their diplomatic task at the United Nations. So has Mr. Bush`s determination that a pre-emptive strike on North Korea is not viable even if Mr. Kim is only months away from adding to his nuclear arsenal, the advisers say.
``We will be facing considerable skepticism on the question of how we can justify confrontation with Saddam when he is letting inspectors into the country, and a diplomatic solution with Kim when he`s just thrown them out,`` one senior diplomat acknowledged today. ``And we`re working on the answer.``
(did u wash massa bush`s milk bottle, mama Condoleezza)
NYT cont. -- ``After a four-mile hike around his 1,600-acre ranch today, Mr. Bush made his most direct public criticism of Mr. Kim since the Korean crisis began.
Mr. Bush described Mr. Kim as ``somebody who starves his people`` and who knowingly violated the 1994 agreement with the United States to forgo nuclear weapons in return for energy aid.
(now THAT `forceful` critcism should CUT `Mr. Kim` to pieces and to smithereens -- it is so `forceful` it is equivalent to dropping ten daisy cutters on the heads of Iraqi Children!!)
``We`ve got a great heart,`` Mr. Bush said of the United States, noting the nation`s food donations to North Korea, ``but I have no heart for somebody who starves his folks.``
(sure mr. president u got great heart for the `starvin` North Korean Kommunists -- but a `no heart` – only Laser Bombs -- for the non starving -- sanction-fattened -- Iraqi children)
NYT contd. –“ Mr. Bush`s comments today were noticeably different in tone from his encounter with reporters outside a Crawford coffee shop on New Year`s Eve.
At that time he was harshly critical of Mr. Hussein — suggesting he might be hiding nuclear weapons — but he made no mention of North Korea`s weapons projects, its ejection of inspectors or any consequences it might face.
The lopsided nature of his comparison worried some of Mr. Bush`s advisers, (it`s about time for the living dead like mr. cheney to get worried) who feared that he was not sending a strong enough message to Mr. Kim.````(NYT)
what a mess -- only God will save this Country from its current cabal of stupid war mongering `saviors` -- holed up in the White House.
the Juvenile Junior -- like a bumbling buffoon -- tries to learn how to answer questions on the the patently moronic dichotomy of his -- Iraq vs. North Korea policy -- and what to say to the Press on some of the same questions -- that are being asked on -- THIS Board.
Today -- the NYT gives a glimpse of how the mediocre advisors of this mediocre President -- are frantically scurrying like rats -- trying to find some `logical` answers to spoon-feed this infantile President about his daily stupid babbles about -- waging war against Iraq --
a country -- that emphatically says it does not have nuclear material -- a country that is allowing Inspectors to check any evidence to the contrary --
BUT Diplomacy-No war -- against North Korea
a country -- that just booted out all UN inspectors, IEAE inspectors -- so unceremoniously.
NYT writes -- ``Mr. Bush`s aides say .... in the next few weeks they plan to assert that Iraq is a special case, impervious to the kinds of economic pressure that Mr. Bush is trying with North Korea. ``We have basically exhausted diplomacy and containment in Iraq,`` one senior administration official said today. ``We haven`t in Korea.``
(NOW THAT`S IS A PURE LILLY WHITE LIE -- the opposite is true -- Clinton talked to North Korean for 8 years to no avail -- we had no diplomacy with Iraq only war)
NYT -- ``But in private, several of the president`s advisers acknowledge that the North Korean crisis has complicated their diplomatic task at the United Nations. So has Mr. Bush`s determination that a pre-emptive strike on North Korea is not viable even if Mr. Kim is only months away from adding to his nuclear arsenal, the advisers say.
``We will be facing considerable skepticism on the question of how we can justify confrontation with Saddam when he is letting inspectors into the country, and a diplomatic solution with Kim when he`s just thrown them out,`` one senior diplomat acknowledged today. ``And we`re working on the answer.``
(did u wash massa bush`s milk bottle, mama Condoleezza)
NYT cont. -- ``After a four-mile hike around his 1,600-acre ranch today, Mr. Bush made his most direct public criticism of Mr. Kim since the Korean crisis began.
Mr. Bush described Mr. Kim as ``somebody who starves his people`` and who knowingly violated the 1994 agreement with the United States to forgo nuclear weapons in return for energy aid.
(now THAT `forceful` critcism should CUT `Mr. Kim` to pieces and to smithereens -- it is so `forceful` it is equivalent to dropping ten daisy cutters on the heads of Iraqi Children!!)
``We`ve got a great heart,`` Mr. Bush said of the United States, noting the nation`s food donations to North Korea, ``but I have no heart for somebody who starves his folks.``
(sure mr. president u got great heart for the `starvin` North Korean Kommunists -- but a `no heart` – only Laser Bombs -- for the non starving -- sanction-fattened -- Iraqi children)
NYT contd. –“ Mr. Bush`s comments today were noticeably different in tone from his encounter with reporters outside a Crawford coffee shop on New Year`s Eve.
At that time he was harshly critical of Mr. Hussein — suggesting he might be hiding nuclear weapons — but he made no mention of North Korea`s weapons projects, its ejection of inspectors or any consequences it might face.
The lopsided nature of his comparison worried some of Mr. Bush`s advisers, (it`s about time for the living dead like mr. cheney to get worried) who feared that he was not sending a strong enough message to Mr. Kim.````(NYT)
what a mess -- only God will save this Country from its current cabal of stupid war mongering `saviors` -- holed up in the White House.
#46 Posted by nasah on January 1, 2003 2:15:53 pm
2003
Happy War Year Mr. Bush.
Thanks for the `Bush Doctrine` to make the world safe and terror free.
and what a Doctrine !!
Diplomacy with North Korea for Making the Bomb -- War with Iraq for NOT making the Bomb --
Beat the hell out of the Weak -- even when the Inspectors say -- No Bombs Found -- but Talk to the SELF-declared Bomb Makers -- till your jaw drops off.
KILL -- 1 million Iraqis who did not kill ONE American -- DROP the big deal Diplomatic Leaflets on the Kommunist Korean Killers -- who killed 60 thousand Americans!!
Burn -- Baghdad to ground to find -- ONE Needle -- while supplying fuel oil to North Koreans to keep their Reactors glowing --
This is how such an `evenhanded` Foreign Policy shines -- when a C-grader Texas Cowboy -- surrounds himself -- with mediocre D-graders, draft-dogders -- ex Saddam-lovers -- and a Has-Been Commie `expert` --
as his clueless advisors.
Happy War Year Mr. Bush.
Thanks for the `Bush Doctrine` to make the world safe and terror free.
and what a Doctrine !!
Diplomacy with North Korea for Making the Bomb -- War with Iraq for NOT making the Bomb --
Beat the hell out of the Weak -- even when the Inspectors say -- No Bombs Found -- but Talk to the SELF-declared Bomb Makers -- till your jaw drops off.
KILL -- 1 million Iraqis who did not kill ONE American -- DROP the big deal Diplomatic Leaflets on the Kommunist Korean Killers -- who killed 60 thousand Americans!!
Burn -- Baghdad to ground to find -- ONE Needle -- while supplying fuel oil to North Koreans to keep their Reactors glowing --
This is how such an `evenhanded` Foreign Policy shines -- when a C-grader Texas Cowboy -- surrounds himself -- with mediocre D-graders, draft-dogders -- ex Saddam-lovers -- and a Has-Been Commie `expert` --
as his clueless advisors.
#43 Posted by faisaluno on December 30, 2002 1:18:02 pm
brief profile of some of the leading lights of inc. details available on the link below.
http://www.sundayherald.com/27877
research by dr glen rangwala, lecturer in politics at trinity college, cambridge
===============================================
general nizar al-khazraji
according to many human rights groups, he is the field commander who led the 48-hour chemical weapons attack which poisoned and burned 5000 kurdish civilians in the northern town of halabja in march 1988. he also, alleges one credible eyewitness who testified in video-taped evidence earlier this year, kicked a little kurdish child to death after his forces entered a village during the height of the iraqi repression in 1988.
but, says ambassador david mack, a senior official in the us state department who co-ordinates meetings of iraqi opposition groups in washington dc, general nizar al-khazraji has `a good military reputation` and `the right ingredients` as a future leader in iraq.
the most senior military officer to defect since 1990, al-khazraji was saddam`s chief of staff from 1980 until 1991, leading the army through the eight-year iran-iraq war and the invasion of kuwait in 1990
brigadier-general najib al-salihi
commander of an armoured division of iraq`s elite republican guard in the gulf war, salihi played a significant military role in iraq`s invasion of kuwait. he was also engaged in putting down the uprising against saddam `s rule that followed the defeat at the hands of the us-led forces. the repressive way in which this particular episode was handled caused 1.5 million people to flee their homes, while salihi went on to write a book about his crushing of the popular uprising, entitled al-zilzal, `the earthquake`.
after commanding iraqi forces in putting down another rebellion by an opposition group in 1995, salihi defected to the side of his former enemies and came to co-operate with the us, where he now lives
ahmad al-chalabi
ahmad al-chalabi came to international attention not for his politics, but for fleeing to london from jordan in 1989 amid allegations he had embezzled millions from the bank he used to own. although he denies any wrongdoing, the collapse of the petra bank left thousands of its customers in penury and earned him comparisons with robert maxwell. he didn`t return to jordan to defend himself at his trial in 1992, which took place in his absence, and will begin his 32 years in prison only if he returns to jordan, which he shows no sign of doing at present
#42 Posted by nasah on December 29, 2002 3:37:42 pm
Today`s Washington` Post asks Mr. Bush:
where is your `big stick` and `zero tolerance` for North Korea Mr. President -- why are we not invading North Korea, that has just CLAIMED they HAVE build the BOMB -- and intend to build MORE by kicking out the UN Inspectors --
But
we ARE invading Iraq -- that has allowed the Inspectors in -- and opened all its facilities for inspection -- and even allowed its scientists to be interviewed -- (an extraordinary step for any country to take) --
we are getting ready to rain death and destruction -- --on poor Iraqi people -- killing them like insects -- a country shattered and weakened by 8 years of daily inspection -- and 12 years of inhuman sanctions.
-- and especially -- an inspected-to-the-hilt country -- that says they are NOT builiding the Atom Bomb.
Why we are pussyfooting with North Korea -- but BULLYING a fallen country like Iraq?
WHy we are asking to sit together with the North Koreans and resolve the issues by negotiation and talks -- but CANNOT sit with the Iraqis and have negotiations -- without WAR?
-- WHY -- Talks & Negotiations are the only choices with the North Koreans -- but WAR is the ONLY solution for Iraq?
Why this DOUBLE STANDARD -- Mr. Bush?
so what happened to all that Bravado, Hyoperbole, WAR CRY rhetoric -- against `axis of evil` thing???
Koreans are flaunting their weapons of mass destruction in our faca --
Why aren`t WE `invading` THEM?
Is this because -- devastated Iraq is easy picking -- and North Korea is a tough cookie?
Or -- is this because US under a mediocre cowardly leadership will not touch a country that just built a bomb -- but will invade ONLY those that did not.
(what a message to give to the countries of the world -- if u want to escape invasion from the almighty United States -- please build the bomb).
Or is this because we have to make this world -- a safe place for the `MAN OF PEACE` guy Sharon?
Or is this just a personal vendatta bit -- `` he tried to kill my daddy`` ???
Mr. Bush -- Mr. Bush -- how did a limited person like you became the President of MY beautiful country -- with such UNLIMITED power.
where is your `big stick` and `zero tolerance` for North Korea Mr. President -- why are we not invading North Korea, that has just CLAIMED they HAVE build the BOMB -- and intend to build MORE by kicking out the UN Inspectors --
But
we ARE invading Iraq -- that has allowed the Inspectors in -- and opened all its facilities for inspection -- and even allowed its scientists to be interviewed -- (an extraordinary step for any country to take) --
we are getting ready to rain death and destruction -- --on poor Iraqi people -- killing them like insects -- a country shattered and weakened by 8 years of daily inspection -- and 12 years of inhuman sanctions.
-- and especially -- an inspected-to-the-hilt country -- that says they are NOT builiding the Atom Bomb.
Why we are pussyfooting with North Korea -- but BULLYING a fallen country like Iraq?
WHy we are asking to sit together with the North Koreans and resolve the issues by negotiation and talks -- but CANNOT sit with the Iraqis and have negotiations -- without WAR?
-- WHY -- Talks & Negotiations are the only choices with the North Koreans -- but WAR is the ONLY solution for Iraq?
Why this DOUBLE STANDARD -- Mr. Bush?
so what happened to all that Bravado, Hyoperbole, WAR CRY rhetoric -- against `axis of evil` thing???
Koreans are flaunting their weapons of mass destruction in our faca --
Why aren`t WE `invading` THEM?
Is this because -- devastated Iraq is easy picking -- and North Korea is a tough cookie?
Or -- is this because US under a mediocre cowardly leadership will not touch a country that just built a bomb -- but will invade ONLY those that did not.
(what a message to give to the countries of the world -- if u want to escape invasion from the almighty United States -- please build the bomb).
Or is this because we have to make this world -- a safe place for the `MAN OF PEACE` guy Sharon?
Or is this just a personal vendatta bit -- `` he tried to kill my daddy`` ???
Mr. Bush -- Mr. Bush -- how did a limited person like you became the President of MY beautiful country -- with such UNLIMITED power.
#41 Posted by nasah on December 27, 2002 9:05:46 pm
Is terrorism like beauty in the eye of the beholder?
here is a NYT columnist interesting way of putting terrorism in perspective:
A Toast to Moral Clarity
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
(excerpts)
In the next step in the war on terrorism, we`re likely in the coming months to invade Iraq in ways that will terrorize civilians there.
So this holy season is a useful moment to step back and critically examine moral clarity, President Bush`s byword,
a concept that tends to stiffen the backbone of conservatives but make liberals fidget.
Is it fair to present the war on terrorism as a parable of good (us) versus evil (them)?
Grenville Byford reflected the skeptics` view in a Foreign Affairs essay, arguing that moral clarity is more apparent than real and that ``the sooner the rhetoric is retired the better.``
Highly nuanced intellectuals tend to poke three kinds of holes in moral clarity:
1. Terrorism is in the eyes of the beholder.
President Reagan declared the African National Congress a terrorist group not long before its leader, Nelson Mandela, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Meanwhile he described Jonas Savimbi, who everybody else thought of as a terrorist, as Angola`s Abraham Lincoln. Oops.
And speaking of our national heroes, what about our radical forebears in the American Revolution who burned the homes of British loyalists?
Were they terrorists?
2. Wiping out terrorists is sometimes unhelpful.
Even if we could agree on what constitutes terrorism, it`s often not obvious what we should do about it.
Pakistan has done more than Iraq to support terrorism (in Kashmir), but instead of invading Pakistan, Mr. Bush has quite sensibly sent aid — for bolstering President Pervez Musharraf is the best hope for ending the violence.
Circumstances vary, so sometimes we kill those engaged in terrorism, and sometimes we invite them for state visits.
3. In crude military terms, terrorism often works.
New methods of killing people initially provoke outrage but eventually are often accepted.
Henry V used longbows at Agincourt, outraging the French. British redcoats marching in neat columns were appalled by sneaky Yankees hiding behind trees.
After Guernica, aerial bombing was condemned as barbaric, and in World War II the West condemned Germany`s V-1 and V-2 missiles as terror weapons.
Likewise, in pessimistic moments I fear that Al Qaeda-style terrorism could become another terrible ``advance`` in military history.
Other radical groups are no doubt enormously impressed that for only about $400,000, Al Qaeda inflicted hundreds of billions of dollars` damage on the United States.
Vietcong military theorists predicted something like Qaeda-style urban guerrilla warfare, and there`s a risk that it is what the future looks like.
All these problems reflect what the British scholar Adam Roberts refers to as ``genuine doubts`` about the term terrorism.
The Reuters news service normally refuses to describe people as terrorists — outraging those all over the globe who are sure that`s what their enemies are….(NYT)
__________________________________________________
Indeed -- Terrorism is NOT a debatable point for the intellectual discourse -- it must be faced squarely -- it MUST be fought mercilessly -- and its REAL CAUSES must be FOUND and understood -- and ERADICATED completely -
HOWEVER… however
Terrorisms MUST not be allowed as an EXCUSE for the SCOUNDRELS of World -- like Sharon of Israel, and Modi of Gujrat -- and the HYPOCRITES of the world -- like Blair and Bush -- to pursue their OWN nefarious agendas -- behind the bush of fighting terrorism.
Examples:
Sharon massacre in Jenin -- Modi massacre in Gujrat --
Blair and Bushes diplomatic ``civility`` for ``negotiated settlement`` -- with North Korea that taunts US in public – (come and get me if u can) with its nuclear weapons of mass destruction --
and their SAVAGE behavior of -- no-talk-must-invade – vis a vis Iraq – a beaten and broken country -- by war and sanctions of 12 years -- that possesses no nuclear weapons –
amazing isn`t it –
Chicanery & Hypocrisy -- thy other names are -- Blair & Bush!
here is a NYT columnist interesting way of putting terrorism in perspective:
A Toast to Moral Clarity
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
(excerpts)
In the next step in the war on terrorism, we`re likely in the coming months to invade Iraq in ways that will terrorize civilians there.
So this holy season is a useful moment to step back and critically examine moral clarity, President Bush`s byword,
a concept that tends to stiffen the backbone of conservatives but make liberals fidget.
Is it fair to present the war on terrorism as a parable of good (us) versus evil (them)?
Grenville Byford reflected the skeptics` view in a Foreign Affairs essay, arguing that moral clarity is more apparent than real and that ``the sooner the rhetoric is retired the better.``
Highly nuanced intellectuals tend to poke three kinds of holes in moral clarity:
1. Terrorism is in the eyes of the beholder.
President Reagan declared the African National Congress a terrorist group not long before its leader, Nelson Mandela, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Meanwhile he described Jonas Savimbi, who everybody else thought of as a terrorist, as Angola`s Abraham Lincoln. Oops.
And speaking of our national heroes, what about our radical forebears in the American Revolution who burned the homes of British loyalists?
Were they terrorists?
2. Wiping out terrorists is sometimes unhelpful.
Even if we could agree on what constitutes terrorism, it`s often not obvious what we should do about it.
Pakistan has done more than Iraq to support terrorism (in Kashmir), but instead of invading Pakistan, Mr. Bush has quite sensibly sent aid — for bolstering President Pervez Musharraf is the best hope for ending the violence.
Circumstances vary, so sometimes we kill those engaged in terrorism, and sometimes we invite them for state visits.
3. In crude military terms, terrorism often works.
New methods of killing people initially provoke outrage but eventually are often accepted.
Henry V used longbows at Agincourt, outraging the French. British redcoats marching in neat columns were appalled by sneaky Yankees hiding behind trees.
After Guernica, aerial bombing was condemned as barbaric, and in World War II the West condemned Germany`s V-1 and V-2 missiles as terror weapons.
Likewise, in pessimistic moments I fear that Al Qaeda-style terrorism could become another terrible ``advance`` in military history.
Other radical groups are no doubt enormously impressed that for only about $400,000, Al Qaeda inflicted hundreds of billions of dollars` damage on the United States.
Vietcong military theorists predicted something like Qaeda-style urban guerrilla warfare, and there`s a risk that it is what the future looks like.
All these problems reflect what the British scholar Adam Roberts refers to as ``genuine doubts`` about the term terrorism.
The Reuters news service normally refuses to describe people as terrorists — outraging those all over the globe who are sure that`s what their enemies are….(NYT)
__________________________________________________
Indeed -- Terrorism is NOT a debatable point for the intellectual discourse -- it must be faced squarely -- it MUST be fought mercilessly -- and its REAL CAUSES must be FOUND and understood -- and ERADICATED completely -
HOWEVER… however
Terrorisms MUST not be allowed as an EXCUSE for the SCOUNDRELS of World -- like Sharon of Israel, and Modi of Gujrat -- and the HYPOCRITES of the world -- like Blair and Bush -- to pursue their OWN nefarious agendas -- behind the bush of fighting terrorism.
Examples:
Sharon massacre in Jenin -- Modi massacre in Gujrat --
Blair and Bushes diplomatic ``civility`` for ``negotiated settlement`` -- with North Korea that taunts US in public – (come and get me if u can) with its nuclear weapons of mass destruction --
and their SAVAGE behavior of -- no-talk-must-invade – vis a vis Iraq – a beaten and broken country -- by war and sanctions of 12 years -- that possesses no nuclear weapons –
amazing isn`t it –
Chicanery & Hypocrisy -- thy other names are -- Blair & Bush!
#40 Posted by nasah on December 27, 2002 9:05:46 pm
Is terrorism like beauty in the eye of the beholder?
here is a NYT columnist interesting way of putting terrorism in perspective:
A Toast to Moral Clarity
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
(excerpts)
In the next step in the war on terrorism, we`re likely in the coming months to invade Iraq in ways that will terrorize civilians there.
So this holy season is a useful moment to step back and critically examine moral clarity, President Bush`s byword,
a concept that tends to stiffen the backbone of conservatives but make liberals fidget.
Is it fair to present the war on terrorism as a parable of good (us) versus evil (them)?
Grenville Byford reflected the skeptics` view in a Foreign Affairs essay, arguing that moral clarity is more apparent than real and that ``the sooner the rhetoric is retired the better.``
Highly nuanced intellectuals tend to poke three kinds of holes in moral clarity:
1. Terrorism is in the eyes of the beholder.
President Reagan declared the African National Congress a terrorist group not long before its leader, Nelson Mandela, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Meanwhile he described Jonas Savimbi, who everybody else thought of as a terrorist, as Angola`s Abraham Lincoln. Oops.
And speaking of our national heroes, what about our radical forebears in the American Revolution who burned the homes of British loyalists?
Were they terrorists?
2. Wiping out terrorists is sometimes unhelpful.
Even if we could agree on what constitutes terrorism, it`s often not obvious what we should do about it.
Pakistan has done more than Iraq to support terrorism (in Kashmir), but instead of invading Pakistan, Mr. Bush has quite sensibly sent aid — for bolstering President Pervez Musharraf is the best hope for ending the violence.
Circumstances vary, so sometimes we kill those engaged in terrorism, and sometimes we invite them for state visits.
3. In crude military terms, terrorism often works.
New methods of killing people initially provoke outrage but eventually are often accepted.
Henry V used longbows at Agincourt, outraging the French. British redcoats marching in neat columns were appalled by sneaky Yankees hiding behind trees.
After Guernica, aerial bombing was condemned as barbaric, and in World War II the West condemned Germany`s V-1 and V-2 missiles as terror weapons.
Likewise, in pessimistic moments I fear that Al Qaeda-style terrorism could become another terrible ``advance`` in military history.
Other radical groups are no doubt enormously impressed that for only about $400,000, Al Qaeda inflicted hundreds of billions of dollars` damage on the United States.
Vietcong military theorists predicted something like Qaeda-style urban guerrilla warfare, and there`s a risk that it is what the future looks like.
All these problems reflect what the British scholar Adam Roberts refers to as ``genuine doubts`` about the term terrorism.
The Reuters news service normally refuses to describe people as terrorists — outraging those all over the globe who are sure that`s what their enemies are….(NYT)
__________________________________________________
Indeed -- Terrorism is NOT a debatable point for the intellectual discourse -- it must be faced squarely -- it MUST be fought mercilessly -- and its REAL CAUSES must be FOUND and understood -- and ERADICATED completely -
HOWEVER… however
Terrorisms MUST not be allowed as an EXCUSE for the SCOUNDRELS of World -- like Sharon of Israel, and Modi of Gujrat -- and the HYPOCRITES of the world -- like Blair and Bush -- to pursue their OWN nefarious agendas -- behind the bush of fighting terrorism.
Examples:
Sharon massacre in Jenin -- Modi massacre in Gujrat -- in the name of ``fighting terrorism``
Blair and Bushes diplomatic ``civility`` for ``negotiated settlement`` -- with North Korea that taunts US in public – (come and get me if u can) with its nuclear weapons of mass destruction --
and their SAVAGE behavior of -- no-talk-must-invade – vis a vis Iraq – an already beaten and broken country -- by war and sanctions of 12 years -- that possesses NO nuclear weapons –
amazing isn`t it –
Chicanery & Hypocrisy -- thy other names are -- Blair & Bush!
here is a NYT columnist interesting way of putting terrorism in perspective:
A Toast to Moral Clarity
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
(excerpts)
In the next step in the war on terrorism, we`re likely in the coming months to invade Iraq in ways that will terrorize civilians there.
So this holy season is a useful moment to step back and critically examine moral clarity, President Bush`s byword,
a concept that tends to stiffen the backbone of conservatives but make liberals fidget.
Is it fair to present the war on terrorism as a parable of good (us) versus evil (them)?
Grenville Byford reflected the skeptics` view in a Foreign Affairs essay, arguing that moral clarity is more apparent than real and that ``the sooner the rhetoric is retired the better.``
Highly nuanced intellectuals tend to poke three kinds of holes in moral clarity:
1. Terrorism is in the eyes of the beholder.
President Reagan declared the African National Congress a terrorist group not long before its leader, Nelson Mandela, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Meanwhile he described Jonas Savimbi, who everybody else thought of as a terrorist, as Angola`s Abraham Lincoln. Oops.
And speaking of our national heroes, what about our radical forebears in the American Revolution who burned the homes of British loyalists?
Were they terrorists?
2. Wiping out terrorists is sometimes unhelpful.
Even if we could agree on what constitutes terrorism, it`s often not obvious what we should do about it.
Pakistan has done more than Iraq to support terrorism (in Kashmir), but instead of invading Pakistan, Mr. Bush has quite sensibly sent aid — for bolstering President Pervez Musharraf is the best hope for ending the violence.
Circumstances vary, so sometimes we kill those engaged in terrorism, and sometimes we invite them for state visits.
3. In crude military terms, terrorism often works.
New methods of killing people initially provoke outrage but eventually are often accepted.
Henry V used longbows at Agincourt, outraging the French. British redcoats marching in neat columns were appalled by sneaky Yankees hiding behind trees.
After Guernica, aerial bombing was condemned as barbaric, and in World War II the West condemned Germany`s V-1 and V-2 missiles as terror weapons.
Likewise, in pessimistic moments I fear that Al Qaeda-style terrorism could become another terrible ``advance`` in military history.
Other radical groups are no doubt enormously impressed that for only about $400,000, Al Qaeda inflicted hundreds of billions of dollars` damage on the United States.
Vietcong military theorists predicted something like Qaeda-style urban guerrilla warfare, and there`s a risk that it is what the future looks like.
All these problems reflect what the British scholar Adam Roberts refers to as ``genuine doubts`` about the term terrorism.
The Reuters news service normally refuses to describe people as terrorists — outraging those all over the globe who are sure that`s what their enemies are….(NYT)
__________________________________________________
Indeed -- Terrorism is NOT a debatable point for the intellectual discourse -- it must be faced squarely -- it MUST be fought mercilessly -- and its REAL CAUSES must be FOUND and understood -- and ERADICATED completely -
HOWEVER… however
Terrorisms MUST not be allowed as an EXCUSE for the SCOUNDRELS of World -- like Sharon of Israel, and Modi of Gujrat -- and the HYPOCRITES of the world -- like Blair and Bush -- to pursue their OWN nefarious agendas -- behind the bush of fighting terrorism.
Examples:
Sharon massacre in Jenin -- Modi massacre in Gujrat -- in the name of ``fighting terrorism``
Blair and Bushes diplomatic ``civility`` for ``negotiated settlement`` -- with North Korea that taunts US in public – (come and get me if u can) with its nuclear weapons of mass destruction --
and their SAVAGE behavior of -- no-talk-must-invade – vis a vis Iraq – an already beaten and broken country -- by war and sanctions of 12 years -- that possesses NO nuclear weapons –
amazing isn`t it –
Chicanery & Hypocrisy -- thy other names are -- Blair & Bush!
#39 Posted by Saminasha on December 27, 2002 7:30:48 am
Sac brought up a good point when he referred to the vacuum of leadership outside of Hussein. I am reading reports of Iraqis outside of Iraq beginning to organise ideas for the new govt...(apparently a sect of the religious folk walked out of the discussion)...granted these groups will have the full blessing and sponsorship of the US...any info on groups, individuals, linkages within Iraq?
#38 Posted by nasah on December 26, 2002 10:21:34 pm
Not In Our Name
NION’s Statement of Conscience
from their website at www.NION.us
The signers of this statement call on the people of the U.S. to resist the policies and overall political direction that have emerged since September 11, 2001, and which pose grave dangers to the people of the world.
We believe that all persons detained or prosecuted by the United States government should have the same rights of due process.
We believe that questioning, criticism, and dissent must be valued and protected. We understand that such rights and values are always contested and must be fought for.
We call on all Americans to RESIST the war and repression that has been loosed on the world by the Bush administration. It is unjust, immoral, and illegitimate. We choose to make common cause with the people of the world.
The government now openly prepares to wage all-out war on Iraq -- a country which has no connection to the horror of September 11.
President Bush has declared: “you’re either with us or against us.” Here is our answer: We refuse to allow you to speak for all the American people.
We refuse to be party to these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or for our welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will show our solidarity in word and deed.
We also draw on the many examples of resistance and conscience from the past of the United States: from those who fought slavery with rebellions and the underground railroad, to those who defied the Vietnam war by refusing orders, resisting the draft, and standing in solidarity with resisters.
Let us not allow the watching world today to despair of our silence and our failure to act. Instead, let the world hear our pledge: we will resist the machinery of war and repression and rally others to do everything possible to stop it.
The over 35,000 signers include...
53 Maryknoll priests and brothers
James Abourezk
As`ad AbuKhalil, Professor, Cal State Univ, Stanislaus
Dr. Patch Adams
Michael Albert
Jace Alexander
Robert Altman
Aris Anagnos
Laurie Anderson
John Ashbery, poet
Edward Asner, actor
Jon Robin Baitz
Russell Banks, writer
John Perry Barlow, co-founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation
Rosalyn Baxandall, historian
Joel Beinen
Medea Benjamin, Global Exchange
Jessica Blank, actor/playwright
William Blum, author
Theresa & Blase Bonpane, Office of the Americas
Fr. Bob Bossie, SCJ
Oscar Brown, Jr.
Judith Bulter
Leslie Cagan, chair, Interim Pacifica Foundation Board
Kisha Imani Cameron, producer
Henry Chalfant, author/filmmaker
Kathleen Chalfant
Bell Chevigny, writer
Paul Chevigny, professor of law, NYU
Noam Chomsky
Ramsey Clark
Ben Cohen, cofounder, Ben and Jerry`s
David Cole, professor of law, Georgetown University
Robbie Conal
Stephanie Coontz, historian, Evergreen State College
Paula Cooper
Kia Corthron, playwright
Robert Creeley
Kimberly Crenshaw, professor of law, Columbia and UCLA
Culture Clash
Joan Cusack
John Cusack
Kevin Danaher, Global Exchange
Barbara Dane
Rev. Herbert Daughtry
Angela Davis
Ossie Davis
Zack de la Rocha
Mos Def
Ani Di Franco
Diane DiPrima
Mark Di Suvero
Julie Dorf, International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission
Carol Downer, board of directors, Chico (CA) Feminist Women`s Health Center
Roma Downey
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, professor, California State University, Hayward
Bill Dyson, state representative, Connecticut
Michael Eric Dyson
Steve Earle, singer/songwriter
Barbara Ehrenreich
Deborah Eisenberg, writer
Hector Elizondo
Daniel Ellsberg
Brian Eno
Eve Ensler
Leo Estrada, UCLA professor, Urban Planning
Frances D. Fergusson, president, Vassar College
Lawrence Ferlinghetti, City Lights Bookstore
Laura Flanders, radio host and journalist
Jane Fonda
Richard Foreman
Thomas C. Fox, publisher, National Catholic Reporter
Elizabeth Frank
Michael Franti, SpearHead
Glen E. Friedman
Bill Frisell
Terry Gilliam, film director
Milton Glaser
Charles Glass, journalist
Jeremy Matthew Glick, co-editor of Another World Is Possible
Corey Glover
Danny Glover
Danny Goldberg
Leon Golub, artist
Juan Gómez Quiñones, historian, UCLA
Vivian Gornick
Jorie Graham
André Gregory
John Guare, playwright
Allan Gurganus
Jessica Hagedorn
Sondra Hale, professor, anthropology and women`s studies, UCLA
Suheir Hammad, writer
Nathalie Handal, poet and playwright
Daniel Handler (aka Lemony Snicket)
Michael Hardt, author of Empire
Christine B. Harrington, Professor of Politics, NYU
David Harvey, distinguished professor of anthropology, CUNY Graduate Center
Stanley Hauerwas, theologian
Tom Hayden
Geoffrey Hendricks
Edward S. Herman, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Susannah Heschel, professor, Dartmouth College
Fred Hirsch, vice president, Plumbers and Fitters Local 393
bell hooks
Doug Ireland, contributing editor, In These Times
Rakaa Iriscience, hip hop artist
Abdeen Jabara, attorney, past president, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Rev. Jesse Jackson
Mumia Abu-Jamal
Fredric Jameson, chair, literature program, Duke University
Harold B. Jamison, major (ret.), USAF
Jim Jarmusch
Erik Jensen, actor/playwright
Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback
Bill T. Jones
Casey Kasem
Evelyn Fox Keller, history of science, MIT
Robin D.G. Kelly, history and Africana studies, NYU
Martin Luther King III, president, Southern Christian Leadership Conference
Barbara Kingsolver
Arthur Kinoy, board co-chair, Center for Constitutional Rights
Sally Kirkland
C. Clark Kissinger, Refuse & Resist!
Yuri Kochiyama, activist
Annisette & Thomas Koppel, singers/composers
Barbara Kopple
David Korten, author
Ron Kovic
Barbara Kruger
Tony Kushner
James Lafferty, executive director, National Lawyers Guild/L.A.
Ray Laforest, Haiti Support Network
Beth K. Lamont, Corliss-Lamont.org
Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Justice, CUNY
Harriet Lerner
Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN magazine
Phil Lesh, Grateful Dead
Richard Lewontin, Professor Emeritus of Biology, Harvard
Lucy R. Lippard
James Longley, Filmmaker
Barbara Lubin, Middle East Childrens Alliance
Janet L. Abu-Lughod
Staughton Lynd
Dave Marsh
Rabbie Robert Marx
Rep. Jim McDermott
Aaron McGruder
Rep. Cynthia McKinney
W.S. Merwin
Susan Minot
Anuradha Mittal, co-director, Institute for Food and Development Policy/Food First
Malaquias Montoya, visual artist
Tom Morello
Robin Morgan
Viggo Mortensen
Minister Benjamín Muhammed, Hip-Hop Summit Action Network
Jill Nelson
Robert Nichols, writer
Linda Nochlin
Kate Noonan
Claes Oldenburg
Pauline Oliveros
Yoko Ono
Rev. E. Randall Osburn, exec. v.p., Southern Christian Leadership Conference
Ozomatli
Grace Paley
Michael Parenti
Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
Frances Fox Piven, Graduate Center of the City University of New York
Katha Pollitt
James Stewart Polshek
Harold Prince
Jerry Quickley, poet
John T. Racanelli, Presiding Justice (Ret), California Court of Appeal
Bonnie Raitt
Margaret Randall
Marcus Raskin
Michael Ratner, president, Center for Constitutional Rights
Amy Ray, Indigo Girls
Rev. George Regas, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
Adrienne Rich
David Riker, filmmaker
Boots Riley, hip hop artist, The Coup
Kate Robin
James Rosenquist
Judith Rossner
Matthew Rothschild
Ed Sadlowski
Edward Said
Angelica Salas, director, Campaign for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles
Luc Sante
Susan Sarandon
Saskia Sassen, professor, University of Chicago
John Sayles
Jonathan Schell, author and fellow of the Nation Institute
Carolee Schneemann, artist
Ralph Schoenman & Mya Shone, Council on Human Needs
Juliet Schor, director of women’s studies, Harvard
Annabella Sciorra
Pete and Toshi Seeger
Mark Selden, historian
Peter A. Serkin
Frank Serpico
Richard Serra
James Shamus
Rev. Al Sharpton
Wallace Shawn, playwright & actor
Martin Sheen
Ron Shelton, filmmaker
Alex Shoumatoff
Russell Simmons
John J. Simon, writer, editor
Kevin Smith
Kiki Smith, artist
Jack Steinberger, Nobel Laureate
Michael Steven Smith, National Lawyers Guild/NY
Norman Solomon, syndicated columnist and author
Scott Spenser
Nancy Spero, artist
Art Spiegelman
Starhawk
Bob Stein, publisher
Jack Steinberger, Nobel Laureate
Gloria Steinem
Oliver Stone
Mark Strand
William & Rose Styron
Peter Syben, major, US Army, retired
Ron Takaki, ethnic studies, Berkeley
Jonathan Tasini, president, National Writers Union, NYC
Michael Taussig, anthropology, Columbia
Tony Taccone, director
Studs Terkel
Marisa Tomei
Marcia Tucker, founding director emerita, New Museum of Contemporary Art, NY
Lief Utne
Nina Utne
Kinan Valdez, El Teatro Campesino
Coosje van Bruggen
Gore Vidal
Anton Vodvarka, Lt., FDNY (ret.)
Kurt Vonnegut
Alice Walker
Rebecca Walker
Naomi Wallace, playwright
Immanuel Wallerstein, sociologist, Yale University
Rev. George Webber, president emeritus, NY Theological Seminary
Leonard Weinglass, attorney
Cornel West
Haskell Wexler
John Edgar Wideman
Cora Weiss
C.K. Williams
Saul Williams, spoken word artist
S. Brian Willson , activist/writer
Jeffrey Wright, actor
Mary A. Zimmerman
Howard Zinn, historian.......
NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR
Bad Boy Bush -- thou shall NOT Kill -- again
NION’s Statement of Conscience
from their website at www.NION.us
The signers of this statement call on the people of the U.S. to resist the policies and overall political direction that have emerged since September 11, 2001, and which pose grave dangers to the people of the world.
We believe that all persons detained or prosecuted by the United States government should have the same rights of due process.
We believe that questioning, criticism, and dissent must be valued and protected. We understand that such rights and values are always contested and must be fought for.
We call on all Americans to RESIST the war and repression that has been loosed on the world by the Bush administration. It is unjust, immoral, and illegitimate. We choose to make common cause with the people of the world.
The government now openly prepares to wage all-out war on Iraq -- a country which has no connection to the horror of September 11.
President Bush has declared: “you’re either with us or against us.” Here is our answer: We refuse to allow you to speak for all the American people.
We refuse to be party to these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or for our welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will show our solidarity in word and deed.
We also draw on the many examples of resistance and conscience from the past of the United States: from those who fought slavery with rebellions and the underground railroad, to those who defied the Vietnam war by refusing orders, resisting the draft, and standing in solidarity with resisters.
Let us not allow the watching world today to despair of our silence and our failure to act. Instead, let the world hear our pledge: we will resist the machinery of war and repression and rally others to do everything possible to stop it.
The over 35,000 signers include...
53 Maryknoll priests and brothers
James Abourezk
As`ad AbuKhalil, Professor, Cal State Univ, Stanislaus
Dr. Patch Adams
Michael Albert
Jace Alexander
Robert Altman
Aris Anagnos
Laurie Anderson
John Ashbery, poet
Edward Asner, actor
Jon Robin Baitz
Russell Banks, writer
John Perry Barlow, co-founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation
Rosalyn Baxandall, historian
Joel Beinen
Medea Benjamin, Global Exchange
Jessica Blank, actor/playwright
William Blum, author
Theresa & Blase Bonpane, Office of the Americas
Fr. Bob Bossie, SCJ
Oscar Brown, Jr.
Judith Bulter
Leslie Cagan, chair, Interim Pacifica Foundation Board
Kisha Imani Cameron, producer
Henry Chalfant, author/filmmaker
Kathleen Chalfant
Bell Chevigny, writer
Paul Chevigny, professor of law, NYU
Noam Chomsky
Ramsey Clark
Ben Cohen, cofounder, Ben and Jerry`s
David Cole, professor of law, Georgetown University
Robbie Conal
Stephanie Coontz, historian, Evergreen State College
Paula Cooper
Kia Corthron, playwright
Robert Creeley
Kimberly Crenshaw, professor of law, Columbia and UCLA
Culture Clash
Joan Cusack
John Cusack
Kevin Danaher, Global Exchange
Barbara Dane
Rev. Herbert Daughtry
Angela Davis
Ossie Davis
Zack de la Rocha
Mos Def
Ani Di Franco
Diane DiPrima
Mark Di Suvero
Julie Dorf, International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission
Carol Downer, board of directors, Chico (CA) Feminist Women`s Health Center
Roma Downey
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, professor, California State University, Hayward
Bill Dyson, state representative, Connecticut
Michael Eric Dyson
Steve Earle, singer/songwriter
Barbara Ehrenreich
Deborah Eisenberg, writer
Hector Elizondo
Daniel Ellsberg
Brian Eno
Eve Ensler
Leo Estrada, UCLA professor, Urban Planning
Frances D. Fergusson, president, Vassar College
Lawrence Ferlinghetti, City Lights Bookstore
Laura Flanders, radio host and journalist
Jane Fonda
Richard Foreman
Thomas C. Fox, publisher, National Catholic Reporter
Elizabeth Frank
Michael Franti, SpearHead
Glen E. Friedman
Bill Frisell
Terry Gilliam, film director
Milton Glaser
Charles Glass, journalist
Jeremy Matthew Glick, co-editor of Another World Is Possible
Corey Glover
Danny Glover
Danny Goldberg
Leon Golub, artist
Juan Gómez Quiñones, historian, UCLA
Vivian Gornick
Jorie Graham
André Gregory
John Guare, playwright
Allan Gurganus
Jessica Hagedorn
Sondra Hale, professor, anthropology and women`s studies, UCLA
Suheir Hammad, writer
Nathalie Handal, poet and playwright
Daniel Handler (aka Lemony Snicket)
Michael Hardt, author of Empire
Christine B. Harrington, Professor of Politics, NYU
David Harvey, distinguished professor of anthropology, CUNY Graduate Center
Stanley Hauerwas, theologian
Tom Hayden
Geoffrey Hendricks
Edward S. Herman, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Susannah Heschel, professor, Dartmouth College
Fred Hirsch, vice president, Plumbers and Fitters Local 393
bell hooks
Doug Ireland, contributing editor, In These Times
Rakaa Iriscience, hip hop artist
Abdeen Jabara, attorney, past president, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Rev. Jesse Jackson
Mumia Abu-Jamal
Fredric Jameson, chair, literature program, Duke University
Harold B. Jamison, major (ret.), USAF
Jim Jarmusch
Erik Jensen, actor/playwright
Chalmers Johnson, author of Blowback
Bill T. Jones
Casey Kasem
Evelyn Fox Keller, history of science, MIT
Robin D.G. Kelly, history and Africana studies, NYU
Martin Luther King III, president, Southern Christian Leadership Conference
Barbara Kingsolver
Arthur Kinoy, board co-chair, Center for Constitutional Rights
Sally Kirkland
C. Clark Kissinger, Refuse & Resist!
Yuri Kochiyama, activist
Annisette & Thomas Koppel, singers/composers
Barbara Kopple
David Korten, author
Ron Kovic
Barbara Kruger
Tony Kushner
James Lafferty, executive director, National Lawyers Guild/L.A.
Ray Laforest, Haiti Support Network
Beth K. Lamont, Corliss-Lamont.org
Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Justice, CUNY
Harriet Lerner
Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN magazine
Phil Lesh, Grateful Dead
Richard Lewontin, Professor Emeritus of Biology, Harvard
Lucy R. Lippard
James Longley, Filmmaker
Barbara Lubin, Middle East Childrens Alliance
Janet L. Abu-Lughod
Staughton Lynd
Dave Marsh
Rabbie Robert Marx
Rep. Jim McDermott
Aaron McGruder
Rep. Cynthia McKinney
W.S. Merwin
Susan Minot
Anuradha Mittal, co-director, Institute for Food and Development Policy/Food First
Malaquias Montoya, visual artist
Tom Morello
Robin Morgan
Viggo Mortensen
Minister Benjamín Muhammed, Hip-Hop Summit Action Network
Jill Nelson
Robert Nichols, writer
Linda Nochlin
Kate Noonan
Claes Oldenburg
Pauline Oliveros
Yoko Ono
Rev. E. Randall Osburn, exec. v.p., Southern Christian Leadership Conference
Ozomatli
Grace Paley
Michael Parenti
Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
Frances Fox Piven, Graduate Center of the City University of New York
Katha Pollitt
James Stewart Polshek
Harold Prince
Jerry Quickley, poet
John T. Racanelli, Presiding Justice (Ret), California Court of Appeal
Bonnie Raitt
Margaret Randall
Marcus Raskin
Michael Ratner, president, Center for Constitutional Rights
Amy Ray, Indigo Girls
Rev. George Regas, Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
Adrienne Rich
David Riker, filmmaker
Boots Riley, hip hop artist, The Coup
Kate Robin
James Rosenquist
Judith Rossner
Matthew Rothschild
Ed Sadlowski
Edward Said
Angelica Salas, director, Campaign for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles
Luc Sante
Susan Sarandon
Saskia Sassen, professor, University of Chicago
John Sayles
Jonathan Schell, author and fellow of the Nation Institute
Carolee Schneemann, artist
Ralph Schoenman & Mya Shone, Council on Human Needs
Juliet Schor, director of women’s studies, Harvard
Annabella Sciorra
Pete and Toshi Seeger
Mark Selden, historian
Peter A. Serkin
Frank Serpico
Richard Serra
James Shamus
Rev. Al Sharpton
Wallace Shawn, playwright & actor
Martin Sheen
Ron Shelton, filmmaker
Alex Shoumatoff
Russell Simmons
John J. Simon, writer, editor
Kevin Smith
Kiki Smith, artist
Jack Steinberger, Nobel Laureate
Michael Steven Smith, National Lawyers Guild/NY
Norman Solomon, syndicated columnist and author
Scott Spenser
Nancy Spero, artist
Art Spiegelman
Starhawk
Bob Stein, publisher
Jack Steinberger, Nobel Laureate
Gloria Steinem
Oliver Stone
Mark Strand
William & Rose Styron
Peter Syben, major, US Army, retired
Ron Takaki, ethnic studies, Berkeley
Jonathan Tasini, president, National Writers Union, NYC
Michael Taussig, anthropology, Columbia
Tony Taccone, director
Studs Terkel
Marisa Tomei
Marcia Tucker, founding director emerita, New Museum of Contemporary Art, NY
Lief Utne
Nina Utne
Kinan Valdez, El Teatro Campesino
Coosje van Bruggen
Gore Vidal
Anton Vodvarka, Lt., FDNY (ret.)
Kurt Vonnegut
Alice Walker
Rebecca Walker
Naomi Wallace, playwright
Immanuel Wallerstein, sociologist, Yale University
Rev. George Webber, president emeritus, NY Theological Seminary
Leonard Weinglass, attorney
Cornel West
Haskell Wexler
John Edgar Wideman
Cora Weiss
C.K. Williams
Saul Williams, spoken word artist
S. Brian Willson , activist/writer
Jeffrey Wright, actor
Mary A. Zimmerman
Howard Zinn, historian.......
NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR NO WAR
Bad Boy Bush -- thou shall NOT Kill -- again
#37 Posted by nasah on December 25, 2002 8:37:42 am
Afghanistan was the ZENITH and the SHINING MOMENT of Bush`s Presidency --
Iraq will be its -- DOOM & DISGRACE --
In Fundamentalist Afghanistan -- the US smashed a WHOLE barbarian SYSTEM of governance that had demeaned and enslaved women –
A Reformer -- like Mohammed -- he liberated them – from a Pre Islamic Jahiliya – once again.
In Secular Iraq -- George the BULL -- wants to destroy the whole CHINA SHOP -- to catch just -- ONE -- CIA TURNCOAT –
A Mongoloid -- like HALAKU – he wants to BURN Baghdad to grounds – once more...
with Afghanistan George Bush alienated -- the fundamentalist extremists of the Muslim world – and that was – VERY GOOD --
with Iraq the JUNIOR will alienate -- the WHOLE Moderate, Secular Muslim world PLUS the Islamists -- all 1.2 BILLION of them -- and that will be -- REAL BAD.
it will be SINFUL STUPIDITY -- cruel ARROGANCE -- propelled by insane IGNORANCE...
Iraq will be its -- DOOM & DISGRACE --
In Fundamentalist Afghanistan -- the US smashed a WHOLE barbarian SYSTEM of governance that had demeaned and enslaved women –
A Reformer -- like Mohammed -- he liberated them – from a Pre Islamic Jahiliya – once again.
In Secular Iraq -- George the BULL -- wants to destroy the whole CHINA SHOP -- to catch just -- ONE -- CIA TURNCOAT –
A Mongoloid -- like HALAKU – he wants to BURN Baghdad to grounds – once more...
with Afghanistan George Bush alienated -- the fundamentalist extremists of the Muslim world – and that was – VERY GOOD --
with Iraq the JUNIOR will alienate -- the WHOLE Moderate, Secular Muslim world PLUS the Islamists -- all 1.2 BILLION of them -- and that will be -- REAL BAD.
it will be SINFUL STUPIDITY -- cruel ARROGANCE -- propelled by insane IGNORANCE...
#36 Posted by insatan on December 23, 2002 10:56:58 pm
If ever muslims felt totally helpless, this is it.
You cannot wish Saddam away, and you cannot kee him as head of state.
Its between the Devil and the Deep Sea.
You cannot wish Saddam away, and you cannot kee him as head of state.
Its between the Devil and the Deep Sea.
#35 Posted by freesoul on December 23, 2002 7:34:15 pm
OK, lets see some good-$hit surgical operation:
http://home.attbi.com/~zotter/ac130_gunshipmed.wmv
If Americans were muslims, they would caption this movie with some Quranic verse in surah Rehman which is something like: ``And where do u think u would flee? Fire glares will catch u wherever u go. And no doubt, u can not be negate out favours``
:)
http://home.attbi.com/~zotter/ac130_gunshipmed.wmv
If Americans were muslims, they would caption this movie with some Quranic verse in surah Rehman which is something like: ``And where do u think u would flee? Fire glares will catch u wherever u go. And no doubt, u can not be negate out favours``
:)
#34 Posted by soldotna on December 21, 2002 5:40:28 pm
The Last Cartoon / NY Times - Dec 22, 2002
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
Saddam Hussein has always been a unique political creature — a combination of Don Corleone and Donald Duck. He`s always been capable of the most shrewd, but brutal, survival tactics, à la the Godfather, and the most cartoonish miscalculations, à la the Donald. At the moment, we are witnessing his Donald Duck side. Imagine if instead of stiffing the U.N. and U.S. by issuing a report that he had no weapons of mass destruction, Saddam had simply said: ``Oh my gosh, we just found eight Scud missiles and four barrels of chemicals hidden under some blankets in the basement. I had no idea they were there! Please, take them away. I`ve already executed the general who was hiding them.``
That would have created a huge problem for the Bush war team. Instead, by playing totally (and unbelievably) innocent, Saddam is helping the U.S. make the case for war. But does that mean war is inevitable? Not yet. I believe Saddam will have one more exit opportunity, and the Bush team needs to be ready for it. I call it: ``the Primakov moment.``
Yevgeny Primakov was the Russian envoy and K.G.B. veteran who made several trips to Baghdad in 1990-91 to try to talk Saddam out of Kuwait to avoid a war — 11th-hour diplomacy that drove the first Bush administration crazy. Saddam probably could have kept half of Kuwait had he played along with Mr. Primakov. But he wouldn`t compromise and, in the end, got smashed.
My guess is that we will see this play again. Before Gulf War II is launched, there will be a Russian-French or Arab delegation that flies to Baghdad and tries to persuade Saddam to spare his family, and everyone else, from a war — either by disclosing his weapons or by going into exile under Arab or European protection.
Why? Because, unlike Gulf War I, too many nations don`t want Gulf War II to happen. Think about it. Egypt got two-thirds of its debts to the West forgiven for participating in Gulf War I. But today Egypt is terrified about a popular backlash against a Gulf War II, and Cairo is refusing to participate. Syria reportedly got paid $1 billion from Saudi Arabia for joining Gulf War I, but the autocratic regime in Damascus has no interest in Gulf War II, because it could be the next target. Turkey got $3 billion for its help in Gulf War I, but it will only get a huge headache from Gulf War II — which will choke its critical trade with Iraq and possibly bring a huge influx of Kurdish refugees across the Iraq-Turkey border.
Iran enjoyed watching Saddam get shellacked in Gulf War I, but the last thing the Iranian hard-liners want now is Saddam toppled and a pro-U.S. Iraqi democracy next door. Saudi Arabia had to fight Gulf War I to survive. But Saudi public opinion today is strongly against this war. Ditto the Russians and Europeans, who certainly are not keen on Iraq becoming part of pax Americana, with all the economic benefits that could entail.
And then there are the Iraqi Kurds. Their zone is currently protected by the U.S. no-flight regime, and, as a result, the Kurds have established their own quasi-independent state in northern Iraq, with their own oil revenues. They`ve never been happier and are not at all keen on having some new ``democratic`` regime in Baghdad emerge that tries to reassert control over them.
Finally, the Sunni Muslim-dominated Arab world knows that there is not a single credible Sunni Muslim among the whole U.S.-funded Iraqi opposition front (a group of losers, who will never be accepted as legitimate in a post-Saddam Iraq and will only bring the U.S. trouble). They are virtually all Iraqi Shiites and Kurds. The Arab Sunnis are worried that if Iraq becomes a democracy, Iraq`s Shiite majority — which has always been under the thumb of Iraq`s Sunni minority — will take over and energize Shiites in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Bahrain to start challenging Sunni domination.
For all these reasons, the U.S. needs to be both cool and prepared for anything. We need to be cool and let the U.N. inspections process play out — because we have such reluctant allies in this Gulf War II, we must not appear as overanxious warriors. We still need a smoking gun to justify a war, if we expect to have any allied support.
And we need to be prepared for anything, because as we approach the climax of this story, an Arab or European delegation could show up in Baghdad at any time and forge a deal for Saddam to back down or go into exile. The Don Corleone side of Saddam just might say yes. Or, once again, the Donald Duck in him will miscalculate. In which case, it will be his last cartoon.
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/22/opinion/22FRIE.html
Saddam Hussein has always been a unique political creature — a combination of Don Corleone and Donald Duck. He`s always been capable of the most shrewd, but brutal, survival tactics, à la the Godfather, and the most cartoonish miscalculations, à la the Donald. At the moment, we are witnessing his Donald Duck side. Imagine if instead of stiffing the U.N. and U.S. by issuing a report that he had no weapons of mass destruction, Saddam had simply said: ``Oh my gosh, we just found eight Scud missiles and four barrels of chemicals hidden under some blankets in the basement. I had no idea they were there! Please, take them away. I`ve already executed the general who was hiding them.``
That would have created a huge problem for the Bush war team. Instead, by playing totally (and unbelievably) innocent, Saddam is helping the U.S. make the case for war. But does that mean war is inevitable? Not yet. I believe Saddam will have one more exit opportunity, and the Bush team needs to be ready for it. I call it: ``the Primakov moment.``
Yevgeny Primakov was the Russian envoy and K.G.B. veteran who made several trips to Baghdad in 1990-91 to try to talk Saddam out of Kuwait to avoid a war — 11th-hour diplomacy that drove the first Bush administration crazy. Saddam probably could have kept half of Kuwait had he played along with Mr. Primakov. But he wouldn`t compromise and, in the end, got smashed.
My guess is that we will see this play again. Before Gulf War II is launched, there will be a Russian-French or Arab delegation that flies to Baghdad and tries to persuade Saddam to spare his family, and everyone else, from a war — either by disclosing his weapons or by going into exile under Arab or European protection.
Why? Because, unlike Gulf War I, too many nations don`t want Gulf War II to happen. Think about it. Egypt got two-thirds of its debts to the West forgiven for participating in Gulf War I. But today Egypt is terrified about a popular backlash against a Gulf War II, and Cairo is refusing to participate. Syria reportedly got paid $1 billion from Saudi Arabia for joining Gulf War I, but the autocratic regime in Damascus has no interest in Gulf War II, because it could be the next target. Turkey got $3 billion for its help in Gulf War I, but it will only get a huge headache from Gulf War II — which will choke its critical trade with Iraq and possibly bring a huge influx of Kurdish refugees across the Iraq-Turkey border.
Iran enjoyed watching Saddam get shellacked in Gulf War I, but the last thing the Iranian hard-liners want now is Saddam toppled and a pro-U.S. Iraqi democracy next door. Saudi Arabia had to fight Gulf War I to survive. But Saudi public opinion today is strongly against this war. Ditto the Russians and Europeans, who certainly are not keen on Iraq becoming part of pax Americana, with all the economic benefits that could entail.
And then there are the Iraqi Kurds. Their zone is currently protected by the U.S. no-flight regime, and, as a result, the Kurds have established their own quasi-independent state in northern Iraq, with their own oil revenues. They`ve never been happier and are not at all keen on having some new ``democratic`` regime in Baghdad emerge that tries to reassert control over them.
Finally, the Sunni Muslim-dominated Arab world knows that there is not a single credible Sunni Muslim among the whole U.S.-funded Iraqi opposition front (a group of losers, who will never be accepted as legitimate in a post-Saddam Iraq and will only bring the U.S. trouble). They are virtually all Iraqi Shiites and Kurds. The Arab Sunnis are worried that if Iraq becomes a democracy, Iraq`s Shiite majority — which has always been under the thumb of Iraq`s Sunni minority — will take over and energize Shiites in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria and Bahrain to start challenging Sunni domination.
For all these reasons, the U.S. needs to be both cool and prepared for anything. We need to be cool and let the U.N. inspections process play out — because we have such reluctant allies in this Gulf War II, we must not appear as overanxious warriors. We still need a smoking gun to justify a war, if we expect to have any allied support.
And we need to be prepared for anything, because as we approach the climax of this story, an Arab or European delegation could show up in Baghdad at any time and forge a deal for Saddam to back down or go into exile. The Don Corleone side of Saddam just might say yes. Or, once again, the Donald Duck in him will miscalculate. In which case, it will be his last cartoon.
#33 Posted by nasah on December 21, 2002 11:41:05 am
Saddam is NOT a Savior -- he is an evil man, a mass murderer, a devil incarnate -- and a WAR CRIMINAL – an ex CIA apple turned ‘bad’.
He deserves to DIE.
BUT NOT the PEOPLE of Iraq – the people of Iraq DO NOT deserve to die – the people of Iraq have done NOTHING to people of America.
But JUST to get that -- ONE MAN --
if this C-grader, coke-sniffing hard-drinking geopolitical illiterate Texas Twit -- attacks a non combatant, third world country -- already broken and debased -- and devastated – by HIS Father`s WAR --
where his remorseless cruel Elder -- murdered 500,000 Iraqis -- and then starved to death another 2 million Iraqi children with -- 12 years of immoral, unchristian, inhumane sanctions --
if this son of bush -- attacks, kills, maims, destroys, devastates and mass murders -- ANOTHER 500,000 to ONE million Iraqis (Physician Against Nuclear War estimate) -- I say then
that this congenital killer of a killer presidential parentage -- will go down in history -- TWICE as EVIL as Saddam -- is -- or ever was -- (Saddam`s father was not a mass murderer)!
Mark my words folks -- if this little MONGOL brazenly INVADES Iraq -- there will be a blood bath --
Iraqis will die like flies -- Baghdad will BURN AGAIN -- to the grounds – the whole area WILL be destabilized by us AMERICANS –
just the same ways the AMERICANS destabilized the AFGHANISTAN region in 80’s -- for decades to come
we will be the `VICTORS` -- sure enough
BUT -- the `victory` will be pyrrhic -- it will be sickening – it won’t be worth a dime.
GWB`s -- name will live in infamy -- synonymous with Paired EVIL --
as it is about to happen to another ‘distinguished’ personality of 70’s -- Henry Kissinger --
by the end of this decade -- both FATHER & SON killer team -- will be dragged to Hague -- in handcuffs -- as world`s FIRST PAIR of -- Father & Son -- mass murderer -- WAR CRIMINALS --
As one of London paper says -- STOP this Lunatic American Tarzan -- before he turns the civilized -- RULE-OF-LAW -- World -- into a World -- ruled by -- Laws of Jungle.
He deserves to DIE.
BUT NOT the PEOPLE of Iraq – the people of Iraq DO NOT deserve to die – the people of Iraq have done NOTHING to people of America.
But JUST to get that -- ONE MAN --
if this C-grader, coke-sniffing hard-drinking geopolitical illiterate Texas Twit -- attacks a non combatant, third world country -- already broken and debased -- and devastated – by HIS Father`s WAR --
where his remorseless cruel Elder -- murdered 500,000 Iraqis -- and then starved to death another 2 million Iraqi children with -- 12 years of immoral, unchristian, inhumane sanctions --
if this son of bush -- attacks, kills, maims, destroys, devastates and mass murders -- ANOTHER 500,000 to ONE million Iraqis (Physician Against Nuclear War estimate) -- I say then
that this congenital killer of a killer presidential parentage -- will go down in history -- TWICE as EVIL as Saddam -- is -- or ever was -- (Saddam`s father was not a mass murderer)!
Mark my words folks -- if this little MONGOL brazenly INVADES Iraq -- there will be a blood bath --
Iraqis will die like flies -- Baghdad will BURN AGAIN -- to the grounds – the whole area WILL be destabilized by us AMERICANS –
just the same ways the AMERICANS destabilized the AFGHANISTAN region in 80’s -- for decades to come
we will be the `VICTORS` -- sure enough
BUT -- the `victory` will be pyrrhic -- it will be sickening – it won’t be worth a dime.
GWB`s -- name will live in infamy -- synonymous with Paired EVIL --
as it is about to happen to another ‘distinguished’ personality of 70’s -- Henry Kissinger --
by the end of this decade -- both FATHER & SON killer team -- will be dragged to Hague -- in handcuffs -- as world`s FIRST PAIR of -- Father & Son -- mass murderer -- WAR CRIMINALS --
As one of London paper says -- STOP this Lunatic American Tarzan -- before he turns the civilized -- RULE-OF-LAW -- World -- into a World -- ruled by -- Laws of Jungle.
#32 Posted by taqil17 on July 16, 2000 10:54:01 am
hello Kafir Khan!! please do not accuse without reason.citicism for the sake of criticism is counter productive.The article ends abruptly because it was meant to end like that.there are no secrets behind the sudden ending.the final chapter in the story of Saddam Hussein is yet to be written and till than he will remain an enigma and a mystery.we cant predict his final fate or his destiny.Dont you think the author of this piece has tried to be as ojective and factual as it is humanly possible?? and please dont levy charges of COPYING!thats something I have never done in my whole life and i dont intend to start at this late stage of life!!if i did that my work could not find place in so many prestigious newspapers and magazines of the world.Do criticize but please do so objectively and with an open mind.best regards I hope you will continue to read my articles inspite of your negative opinion about my efforts!!
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