An Accent in Kashmir

Re: krash-Id

``RSaxena

You are talking about inverted onions.``

Yes, inverted onions...I should have been more careful and not left that detail out.

Re: krashid

That is a reliable news source written by a Muslim. Go meet those injured Muslim journalists and Kashmiris in the hospital if your Pakistani horse blinders keep you from seeing reality.

How cruel and shameless of Pakistan to pretend to cry for Kashmiris on the one hand and then kill them on the other for territorial gains.

To ylh,

To understand the dominant ideology of a country, one has to look at institutions. I completely accept your view that pakistan is not a `jihadic` country, if it is based on your experiences, your day to day interactions. I have known several pakstanis, some were good friends, who even brought gifts from pakistan which we still treasure. There was no shard of extremism in their views, they were some of the finest individuals I have ever met.

Those are my individual experiences and that should not bias my observations about the institutions in pakistan and the response and reaction of the educated of pakistan to them.

You know and you abhor honour killings. But I can assure you that there will never be an article on this topic in chowk about the legal and religious frame work of this macabre act. There will be no expose of the legal process under which the killer goes scot free. This is collective pakistan, including the educated like you. Theses are what define a society, the worst form of sensorship is self censorship, and that is what is happening in pakistan.

India could be a bad example, but let me state one. The killing of Christian priest, Staines, there is a memorial for them, there is going to be an award in their honour, because in India we believe that defects of the system, even that of religion should be exposed and corrected by legislation. Bride burning, there are daily reports of it, in many states, for example in Kerala, if a married womam dies with in seven years of marriage due to an unnatural or suspected circumstance, the husband has to be charged with murder and investigated.

Think of pakistan, the self censor ship prevents artcles and reporting of honour killings. Fron page reports of killings in kashmir by the jihadists. Honour killing you want to hide, jihadic killing you want celebrate, to attaract more donations. You have posted so valiently about kashmir, do you enjoy the killing reports in the front pages of all pak english papers. Just think why are they there.

Look at the institutions of pakistan. If you find them moderate, post an alternate interpretation of the events. Spare the 2% extremist view, spare the corruption theories. Come up with some thing alternate, an alternate explanation.

Regards and best wishes.

jay.

RSaxena!

Out of 15 people killed in blast 14 were soldiers/security personnel police and one photographer Bhatia.

Should I produce the news here.

I told you get out of your biased media and read some reliable news.

Re: ylh

``DO THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR WANNA BE WITH INDIA ?``

Is that any business of your`s or of Pakistan`s?

To Jay,

I have just about had it with your non sense and BS about us being the ``children of the TNT`` and what not.

I don`t wish to change your views. I just have the following to say, We wanted Pakistan we got it. It was our democratic right…. Whether or not it was the right thing for us to do or not but a majority of us decided to make Pakistan and we made it … and you are no one to decide … I know I am oversimplifying the issue but maybe you should really think about getting a fresh attitude. Now we have never been a fundamentalist state and we are not going to be any time soon. Our people are Muslims but for the most part they are not fanatics. We are compelled by people like you to take a hard line approach towards India.

Pakistan is here and Pakistan is here to stay…the question is whether you Indians are going to accept it or not. I mean Jesus! this should not even be an issue … 53 years… wont you forget it now.

Pakistan though initially made to safe guard the Muslim minority but was made in essence for religious freedom for all…. I know we have fallen short of the ideal but your language is out of line …. India and its ruling Hindu Nationalists arent really the best of people either…

Now I`ll come to Kashmir … I am not even get into any justifications on any side …

The question is simple and easy …

DO THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR WANNA BE WITH INDIA ?

I think we know the answer to that.

Pakistan Zindabad

Quaid e Azam Zindabad

Ataturk Zindabad

Jiye Bhutto

Imran Khan for PM

-Yasser Hamdani

PS Please JAY spare us the BS? We will eternally grateful.

PPS To all Indians who wish to advise us about Pakistan, Pakistan is our problem not yours.

According to Mr. Baig,

If someone says Sat Sri Akal, he is liable to be shot

If someone sings Bulleya, he is liable to be butchered

If someone says Har Har Mahadev, he is liable to be chopped off

What warped logic is this?

It is like accusing the rape victim for tempting the rapist

Mr. Baig, your prejudices shine through your facade of intellectualism, use more grease to hide your bigotry

Muslim, Christian and Buddhist good, good, good.

Hindu, BAD, BAD, BAD?

Who burnt Nalanda University in Bihar?

Where have all the Buddhists of Central Asia gone?

This author makes my skin crawl, these pseudo intellectuals weaving their web of theories in their drawing rooms make me sick, and I pray to God that he is not a fellow Hyderabadi

The usual Hindu-baiting going on here...the author makes everything out with a Hindu connection to be harmful to Kashmir...he writes of Hinduism as being foreign to Kashmir...``The people were originally Buddhist``???...why does he conveniently forget the heavy Shaivaite influence in Kashmir, the influence of Shaivism on Kashmiri Tantric Buddhism?...of the great Shaivaite Hindu poets who are revered by Hindu and Muslim and all the goddamn others?...and don`t give me the bullshit that he has a wife with a Hindu name...God these bigots make me sick

no regards

Kabuli

Re: krashid

Calling the messanger a liar doesn`t cover up your own lies. Here`s the proof - the article from the Asian Age (written by a Muslim!) describing the terrorist attack. So much for Pakistan`s love for their Muslim brethen in Kashmir.

``The two civilians killed in the blast included a New Delhi-based photographer of The Hindustan Times, Pradeep Bhatia. The other civilian killed was Bashir Ahmed Gandroo, an accountant at a nearby shop who died of shock.

Habibullah Naqash, photographer of The Asian Age in Srinagar, is among the seven photojournalists injured in the incident. One of the injured photographers, Irfan Manzoor, an assistant cameraman with Zee News, was seriously wounded and later in the evening was shifted to Gover-nment-run Bone and Joint Hos-pital from the Sher-e-Kashmir Institute of Medical Sciences where right foot was amputated. Several others, mainly those trapped inside adjacent shops and other buildings were also injured.

As they began gathering around the vehicle, and thus falling into the trap of the militants, the bomb was detonated. A flash of light and deafening sound littered the street in seconds with the mutilated and half-burnt bodies of policemen, as well as the two civilians.

Bilal Ahmed Butt of Asian News International, also injured, said: “It was like hell breaking on us.” Profusely bleeding, as were many other colleagues, Bilal walked inside the nearby Kothibagh police station from where he was taken to hospital.

Pradeep Bhatia was not that lucky. His body will now be taken back to New Delhi on Friday morning. Bilal, a videographer, said that minutes before the car bomb explosion, Pradeep was enquiring from him about flight timings.

He was looking desperate, trying to send his film rolls through first available flight out of Srinagar. “I told him this (grenade explosion) was not a big incident, and that I didn’t think I needed to send footage out to my office in Delhi. But still I was willing to help him out,” Bilal recalled.

Back at the scene of the blast, pieces of human flesh and shoes and sandals were splattered along the bloodstained back street. Several shops and other buildings were extensively damaged with the impact of the blast. Their window panes were caved in on the roadside. The explosive-laden car was now only a rubble of steel.

Its tires were still burning. The air was filled with the smell of burning flesh. Some policemen standing guard at the street corner were discouraging reporters from venturing ahead. Witnesses said that with the deafening sound of the blast, the security forces present in the area and in the neighbourhood starting firing volleys from their service weapons in all directions.

The policemen killed in the car bomb blast included sub-inspector Muhammad Yaqoob, constables Jan Muhammad, Davinder Singh, Naseer Ahmed, Nissar Ahmed, Muhammad Ashraf, Budh Raj and Imtiaz Ahmed (driver), all from Kothibagh police station.

Among the journalists injured are Muhammad Amin War (The Tribune), I. Tariq (Srinagar News) and Fayaz Kabuli (Reuters). Suhasni, a CNN producer, while fleeing from the scene, fell on the road and sustained minor injuries.``

RSaxena#58

Don`t spread lies here.

It is today`s news, not 50 years old, so that you can speak whatever you like.

Most of the people killed were police officers and soldiers, who came to pick up the check.

If you are in doubt and have time to read apart from your own TRUTHFUL media, go to BBC.com.

The recent terrorist (car bomb) attack by Pakistani Hizbuls in Srinigar killed more Muslims than anyone else. All victims were innocent bystanders or journalists...

Shows how much Pakistan values human life, let alone how much it values the lives of Kashmiri Muslims living in India. This ``bleeding heart`` crap is the most disgusting, self-serving lie I have ever heard. Exposes what Pakistan`s true goal is...the pursuit of land.

This picture is very sad but also telling. A wounded Muslim man being helped by an Indian soldier.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20000810/wl/mdf99157.html

Shame on Pakistan and shame on the chowkwallahs who will undoubtedly try to spin these facts. And before you throw your tired old accusation about who did it, remember that the Hizbul has officially taken responsibility for this act of terror.

RE: Reply #: 41 Umairr

BREAKING NEWS: Hizb calls off ceasefire in Kashmir

``The freedom fighers, Pakistan and even the rest of the world have bent over backwards to accomodate India`s wishes on Kashmir. However India still clings to its stubborn stand (which will eventually prove very harmful to Indians). It must have taken a lot of effort from Pakistan, USA and the Hizb to coordinate this peace move. The Pakistan govt. received a lot of flak from most of the religious parties for influencing the Hizb to call a truce. But India has blown the opportunity again. Is India interested in peace at all?``

This is pretty ingenuous coming from you. At the outset, it is the Hizb which called off the cease-fire not India, so one can hardly blame India on this count. Second, it is the Hizb which imposed the impossible condition on India that Pakistan should be included in the talks. This is obviously due to some serious armtwisting by Pakistan since it wants to muscle in on the action despite India`s constant rebuffs to it`s insincere advances due to Kargil. But, more than anything else, it is yet another myopic action by the Pakistani ruling elite which have never subscribed to the view that such problems take months or years, not weeks to be solved. Look at how they have destroyed democracy in Pakistan time and again by similar short-term, self-centered actions.

Ref dost-mittar #: 55

You said {We see in North America Honda Civic, Accord,Integra, Accura and Prelude, but not Accent.}

Mr. Baig referred to the Hyundai Accent, so you got the wrong car maker in your statement.

But automobile companies do use different names for the same cars in different countries. For instance, the 1954 Morris Oxford is the 2000 Hindusthan Ambassador. Oops, wrong example ;-) though correct factually.

Let us see; the Chevy Nova could not be sold under that name in Spanish-speaking countries since `nova` would mean `not moving` in Spanish. Also, car makers try use names that might have appeal to the locals based on some connection to local landmarks. Thus you have models called the Bolan and the Khyber in Pakistan.

When Sanjay Gandhi went to Suzuki of Japan to build the people`s car, he decided to rename the Suzuki 800 the Maruti. Well, you know, there is a saying in the South about trying to make an idol of Ganesh and ending up with a monkey instead. I have always wondered about what you would end up if you initially wanted to make a monkey and, fortunately, we have the answer!(Maruti -- Hanuman)

Murad #50

Murad, thanks for sharing with us your further observations and conclusions, esp the interactions with local people.

Sadhana

re: veeresh # 15 and Murad

PILs seem to have become the preferred and most effective method of initiating progressive legislation.

I was wondering if this could be used to demand an increase in the size of the judiciary itself. I have heard that some committees for judicial reform in the past have recommended the setting up of a Judicial Services Commission along the lines of UPSC. Recently there was an article in the NY times in which the last law minister said that it would take 324 years to dispose of (deciding is an inappropriate term for the current process) all current cases. The ratio of judges to population is 10-20% of that in the west. The law minister like other politicians tried to cover his inaction in this regard by using the usual excuse of India being a poor country. I would like to know what you think of a PIL demanding a growth in judicial services (in inflation adjusted money) proportional to growth in government revenues, a time bound plan to achieve a target ratio of judges to population, and the setting up of a judicial services commission. A PIL would perhaps spark public interest in the issue and put pressure on the politicians.

Ashish

ps. a larger judiciary would also bring more people to hear PILs (a nice selfish motive) and also generate a culture of using the proper mechanisms for legal and legislative matters (contrary to the current legislation by the judiciary and judgement by the lawmakers)