Veeresh Malik August 14, 2000
#1 Posted by krashid on August 14, 2000 12:41:13 am
Interesting article Veeresh!
Kabab of Dehli, made in Pakistan are very popular in Karachi.
You should be knowing many Muslim Kabab makers migrated to Pakistan.
You are forgetting Nihari of Dehli and also Haleem.
The name Dehli is always attached.
But another thing is superceding from poor Bihar in Karachi.
Bihari Kabab.
And that altered taste of Kabab is made by Memons, Pathans, and everyone except probably Biharis.
Baghare Baingan from Hyderabad are famous but have not gained popularity.
Don`t under estimate the people of Karachi (and probably other parts of Pakistan) in eating. Their favorite pastime after dusk is eating. And many restaurants (not on travel route) are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, where all kind of people accumulate.
On political note. Whether it is Pakistan to blame or India, but Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris.
Kabab of Dehli, made in Pakistan are very popular in Karachi.
You should be knowing many Muslim Kabab makers migrated to Pakistan.
You are forgetting Nihari of Dehli and also Haleem.
The name Dehli is always attached.
But another thing is superceding from poor Bihar in Karachi.
Bihari Kabab.
And that altered taste of Kabab is made by Memons, Pathans, and everyone except probably Biharis.
Baghare Baingan from Hyderabad are famous but have not gained popularity.
Don`t under estimate the people of Karachi (and probably other parts of Pakistan) in eating. Their favorite pastime after dusk is eating. And many restaurants (not on travel route) are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, where all kind of people accumulate.
On political note. Whether it is Pakistan to blame or India, but Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris.
#2 Posted by Sobia on August 14, 2000 4:46:41 am
Veeresh, I`ve never had Indian kebabs...are they really as good as you make `em sound??!??! Well, I`ll settle for the chappali kebabs in Mardan and even the ones made in Main Market, Lahore! :)
Happy chomping,
Sobia
P.S: Any way you can parcel some kebabs my way? ;)
Happy chomping,
Sobia
P.S: Any way you can parcel some kebabs my way? ;)
#3 Posted by kabuliwallah on August 14, 2000 5:27:12 am
Veeresh,
I`m in Delhi for the first time and I really don`t know where to get good food of the earthy kind, not the uptight restaurants. I`d be extremely grateful if you divulged the source of the mouth-watering kebabs you write about. I was in lahore two weeks ago and thought their kebabs were pretty good. It is to be seen whether Delhi kebabs are all that you make `em out to be.
regards,
Kabuli
I`m in Delhi for the first time and I really don`t know where to get good food of the earthy kind, not the uptight restaurants. I`d be extremely grateful if you divulged the source of the mouth-watering kebabs you write about. I was in lahore two weeks ago and thought their kebabs were pretty good. It is to be seen whether Delhi kebabs are all that you make `em out to be.
regards,
Kabuli
#4 Posted by rsaxena on August 14, 2000 5:58:12 am
Re: kabulliwallah
Try some desi Chinese food in Delhi. It`s way better than the real stuff! Anyone know how it came into being and became so popular? The real stuff is bland and putrid and no self-respecting desi who loves his kababs, tandoori chicken, choley, baingan bhurta, mango pickle and green chillies would touch that stuff with a 10-foot chopstick.
Try some desi Chinese food in Delhi. It`s way better than the real stuff! Anyone know how it came into being and became so popular? The real stuff is bland and putrid and no self-respecting desi who loves his kababs, tandoori chicken, choley, baingan bhurta, mango pickle and green chillies would touch that stuff with a 10-foot chopstick.
#5 Posted by veeresh on August 14, 2000 10:47:24 am
Kabuliwallah . . . good kababs in Delhi, bottom of the cost structure, go to Nizamuddin Area and try buffalo kababs at any stall, 5 rupees a plate. Moving up, head for the behind Jama Masjid Area at late night. Also suggested, Pandara Market, especially Gulatis or Pindis. Good fish kababs at Jagdish Chand Arrora and clones, Gole Market, off CP, near Birla Mandir. Bengali laced kababs, go to Dumka, Chitaranjan Park. Near RTO, Underhill Road, during the day, meat curry kabab curry rice but he gets pushed out by the Muncipalty every now and then. Late night through the hole in the wall at IIT-D and Jia Sarai, the bun-andas have given way to . . . kebabs.
Swanky kebabs, Bukhara, uggh. But try the Frontier at the old Ashok, excellent. Pathar kababs . . .
Chor Bizarre near Delhi Gate/Asaf Ali road for a good variety.
And of course, right next to where I live, Colonel`s Kabab`s is now world famous.
If that is not enough, go across to tejoinder Singh at ``The Taste`` and pick up semi cooked kababs . . . do them at home?
Enough??
Swanky kebabs, Bukhara, uggh. But try the Frontier at the old Ashok, excellent. Pathar kababs . . .
Chor Bizarre near Delhi Gate/Asaf Ali road for a good variety.
And of course, right next to where I live, Colonel`s Kabab`s is now world famous.
If that is not enough, go across to tejoinder Singh at ``The Taste`` and pick up semi cooked kababs . . . do them at home?
Enough??
#6 Posted by temporal on August 14, 2000 10:59:51 am
Veeresh:
[The urge to satisfy everybody rides paramount in the human psyche when it comes to being read and is sometimes likened to nymphomania of an intellectual sort. Intercourse without discrimination subject to the whims and fancies of the moment]
Intellectual nymph?
Have pen, will travel?
You don`t mince words. I like that.
Would not get caught in the discussion over Kebabs. Now if it was a worthy debate on `buns` I might be tempted;)
regards,
t
[The urge to satisfy everybody rides paramount in the human psyche when it comes to being read and is sometimes likened to nymphomania of an intellectual sort. Intercourse without discrimination subject to the whims and fancies of the moment]
Intellectual nymph?
Have pen, will travel?
You don`t mince words. I like that.
Would not get caught in the discussion over Kebabs. Now if it was a worthy debate on `buns` I might be tempted;)
regards,
t
#7 Posted by pullu on August 14, 2000 11:07:34 am
I had read on Chowk posts about Veeresh`s writing skills. Truly, this was one good subtle humour. Enjoyed it thoroughly.
Kababs yep, delhi kebabs are good. Has anybody tried Lucknow kebabs? They are equally good if not better. They just melt in your mouth after the initial slight crispy sound.
I am wondering if any of Pakistani Chowkwallahs have ever tried Dosas. Masala Dosa smeared with butter is an absolute wonder!(also called butter dosa). Not to forget a cup of rasam and that great buttermilk.
Krashid #re 1
Try Bihari Maalpuwa with Mutton Curry.
KASHMIR phir se!
until next time,
Pullu
Kababs yep, delhi kebabs are good. Has anybody tried Lucknow kebabs? They are equally good if not better. They just melt in your mouth after the initial slight crispy sound.
I am wondering if any of Pakistani Chowkwallahs have ever tried Dosas. Masala Dosa smeared with butter is an absolute wonder!(also called butter dosa). Not to forget a cup of rasam and that great buttermilk.
Krashid #re 1
Try Bihari Maalpuwa with Mutton Curry.
KASHMIR phir se!
until next time,
Pullu
#8 Posted by friend on August 14, 2000 11:56:43 am
Veeresh
``Late night through the hole in the wall at IIT-D and Jia Sarai, the bun-andas have given way to . . . kebabs.``
When did that happen? You broke my heart. Bun Omlette and rose milk ... That fueled me for long nights of hard slogging.
``Late night through the hole in the wall at IIT-D and Jia Sarai, the bun-andas have given way to . . . kebabs.``
When did that happen? You broke my heart. Bun Omlette and rose milk ... That fueled me for long nights of hard slogging.
#9 Posted by mohajir on August 14, 2000 1:29:45 pm
NUCLEAR POWER - PAKISTAN
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0008140026,FF.html
PAKISTANI POLITICS, PRIDE FUEL PARADE
AS CHICAGO`S PAKISTANIS CELEBRATE THEIR HOMELAND, THE SUBJECT OF KASHMIR IS NOT A WORLD AWAY.
By Evan Osnos
Tribune Staff Writer
August 14, 2000
With an old garbage can, some green plastic wrap and a bright red cardboard cone to represent an atomic warhead, Pakistani college student Syed Ahmed brought one gust of a geo-political squall to West Rogers Park on Sunday.
Half a world from the political fault lines separating Pakistan and India--but just hours after the latest bloody clash between militants in the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir--Ahmed arrived at Chicago`s Pakistan Independence Day Parade with the mock missile strapped to the roof of his car.
``It`s just saying that we`re powerful too,`` said Ahmed, 22, of Lincolnwood, not an official member of the parade but one of at least two revelers who mounted cardboard bombs on their cars and cruised, horns blaring, through the North Side`s Indian and Pakistani neighborhoods. ``We`re not making a fight here, but the world needs to be aware.``
Watching from across Devon Avenue, though, Mehdi Kahn fumed.
``That has no place here. No good,`` said Kahn, 32, who emigrated from India five years ago. ``That`s for nothing but to make conflict.``
More than two years after their two countries added nuclear arms to their decades-old territorial feud, Chicago`s Indian and Pakistani communities still thrive together happily, working and living side by side with little visible friction. As in past years, Sunday`s parade to celebrate the 1947 partition of the two countries drew supporters from both sides.
But amid a summer of mounting global tension over long-disputed Kashmir, which has been racked by separatist violence since 1989, some in Chicago`s Pakistani community took Sunday`s festival as a chance to voice their politics.
``The [model] missiles are not to scare anybody, but to tell everybody that we are now a nuclear power,`` said Razah Don, 32, a Pakistani cabdriver who wrapped himself in a flag proclaiming, ``Allah is great.``
Parade organizers said they intended no political message this year but understood if residents used the celebration to express theirviews.
``Here we are, thousands of miles away, but our hearts still beat with Pakistan,`` said Javid Kahn of the parade committee.
Above the festival bandstand at Warren Park, where people gathered after snaking along Devon and Western Avenues, a single new portrait had been added this year to the pantheon of Pakistani leaders showcased in years past. Between portraits of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the nation`s founder, and celebrated poet Muhammad Iqbal, sat the picture of A.Q. Khan, Pakistan`s chief scientist credited with producing its nuclear arms.
``For us, he is as much a national hero as the other two,`` said the parade committee`s Kahn. ``It is not about politics.``
In the parade itself, there were only scattered flashes of international politics between the waving politicians and floats.
Looking little different than the adjoining floats for a gastroenterologist and a travel agent, the brightly festooned entry from the Kashmir Solidarity Front was covered with smiling children and their parents.
They waved and passed out fliers: ``Kashmir--Happy Valley, Valley of Death.``
``This is a free country. We are making our voices known to the world on this important issue,`` said Nazir Mirza, 60, as he distributed a flier urging Muslims to boycott Indian merchants.
Just up the road, though, many younger revelers scoffed at the politics. That`s nothing but the grist of old hatreds, they said.
``It`s doesn`t matter to us--here we`re all mixed together,`` said Indian-American A.J. Kahn, 17. Kahn and four Indian friends hooted joyously and pulled their car onto Devon Avenue, with Pakistani flags in hand overhead.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0008140026,FF.html
PAKISTANI POLITICS, PRIDE FUEL PARADE
AS CHICAGO`S PAKISTANIS CELEBRATE THEIR HOMELAND, THE SUBJECT OF KASHMIR IS NOT A WORLD AWAY.
By Evan Osnos
Tribune Staff Writer
August 14, 2000
With an old garbage can, some green plastic wrap and a bright red cardboard cone to represent an atomic warhead, Pakistani college student Syed Ahmed brought one gust of a geo-political squall to West Rogers Park on Sunday.
Half a world from the political fault lines separating Pakistan and India--but just hours after the latest bloody clash between militants in the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir--Ahmed arrived at Chicago`s Pakistan Independence Day Parade with the mock missile strapped to the roof of his car.
``It`s just saying that we`re powerful too,`` said Ahmed, 22, of Lincolnwood, not an official member of the parade but one of at least two revelers who mounted cardboard bombs on their cars and cruised, horns blaring, through the North Side`s Indian and Pakistani neighborhoods. ``We`re not making a fight here, but the world needs to be aware.``
Watching from across Devon Avenue, though, Mehdi Kahn fumed.
``That has no place here. No good,`` said Kahn, 32, who emigrated from India five years ago. ``That`s for nothing but to make conflict.``
More than two years after their two countries added nuclear arms to their decades-old territorial feud, Chicago`s Indian and Pakistani communities still thrive together happily, working and living side by side with little visible friction. As in past years, Sunday`s parade to celebrate the 1947 partition of the two countries drew supporters from both sides.
But amid a summer of mounting global tension over long-disputed Kashmir, which has been racked by separatist violence since 1989, some in Chicago`s Pakistani community took Sunday`s festival as a chance to voice their politics.
``The [model] missiles are not to scare anybody, but to tell everybody that we are now a nuclear power,`` said Razah Don, 32, a Pakistani cabdriver who wrapped himself in a flag proclaiming, ``Allah is great.``
Parade organizers said they intended no political message this year but understood if residents used the celebration to express theirviews.
``Here we are, thousands of miles away, but our hearts still beat with Pakistan,`` said Javid Kahn of the parade committee.
Above the festival bandstand at Warren Park, where people gathered after snaking along Devon and Western Avenues, a single new portrait had been added this year to the pantheon of Pakistani leaders showcased in years past. Between portraits of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the nation`s founder, and celebrated poet Muhammad Iqbal, sat the picture of A.Q. Khan, Pakistan`s chief scientist credited with producing its nuclear arms.
``For us, he is as much a national hero as the other two,`` said the parade committee`s Kahn. ``It is not about politics.``
In the parade itself, there were only scattered flashes of international politics between the waving politicians and floats.
Looking little different than the adjoining floats for a gastroenterologist and a travel agent, the brightly festooned entry from the Kashmir Solidarity Front was covered with smiling children and their parents.
They waved and passed out fliers: ``Kashmir--Happy Valley, Valley of Death.``
``This is a free country. We are making our voices known to the world on this important issue,`` said Nazir Mirza, 60, as he distributed a flier urging Muslims to boycott Indian merchants.
Just up the road, though, many younger revelers scoffed at the politics. That`s nothing but the grist of old hatreds, they said.
``It`s doesn`t matter to us--here we`re all mixed together,`` said Indian-American A.J. Kahn, 17. Kahn and four Indian friends hooted joyously and pulled their car onto Devon Avenue, with Pakistani flags in hand overhead.
#10 Posted by scout on August 14, 2000 1:29:45 pm
forget the kababs, carnivorous beasts,
do you have ``faalsay`` in india?
if you do, could you mail me some.
i`m dyingggggggggggggg for faalsay.
do you have ``faalsay`` in india?
if you do, could you mail me some.
i`m dyingggggggggggggg for faalsay.
#11 Posted by scout on August 14, 2000 1:29:45 pm
forget the kababs, carnivorous beasts,
do you have ``faalsay`` in india?
if you do, could you mail me some.
i`m dyingggggggggggggg for faalsay.
the only place i`ve seen these awesome little berries are in pakistan...
do you have ``faalsay`` in india?
if you do, could you mail me some.
i`m dyingggggggggggggg for faalsay.
the only place i`ve seen these awesome little berries are in pakistan...
#12 Posted by temporal on August 14, 2000 1:41:32 pm
scout #11
Aray zaalim kiya yaad dila diya!
Faalsay and shehtoot --- just about the only two things haven`t found in the stores here.
rgds
t
Aray zaalim kiya yaad dila diya!
Faalsay and shehtoot --- just about the only two things haven`t found in the stores here.
rgds
t
#13 Posted by sac on August 14, 2000 2:17:34 pm
Remember eating those Delhi kebabs a few years ago. I have to confess that they were much better than anything in Lahore. Kebabs in the NWFP areas like Nowshera and Peshawar can give the Delhi kebabs a run for their money though.
``Remember, history tells us that India (with or without Pakistan, choice is not mine) is the only country in the world that never ever did anything to the Jews.``
Wait till you guys have some real money.You`ll be amazed to find out how bad you`ve been to the Jews :)
re scout #11:
You deserve to spend the rest of your life sucking the mangoes of Mexico for reminding us about falsay......................
later
-sac
``Remember, history tells us that India (with or without Pakistan, choice is not mine) is the only country in the world that never ever did anything to the Jews.``
Wait till you guys have some real money.You`ll be amazed to find out how bad you`ve been to the Jews :)
re scout #11:
You deserve to spend the rest of your life sucking the mangoes of Mexico for reminding us about falsay......................
later
-sac
#14 Posted by satyavadi on August 14, 2000 3:22:34 pm
scout #11:
Yeah, we do have faalsays in India. Where I come from, the standard cry of women selling ``faalsays`` is ``faalsay, faalsay, falsaaaa`` and they call them faalsaas.
As for shipping them, wait until I get some pics from home.
Satyavadi
Yeah, we do have faalsays in India. Where I come from, the standard cry of women selling ``faalsays`` is ``faalsay, faalsay, falsaaaa`` and they call them faalsaas.
As for shipping them, wait until I get some pics from home.
Satyavadi
#15 Posted by the_happy_one on August 14, 2000 3:22:34 pm
Re: 11, 12, 13
1.Faalsay aka Phalsa aka `Grewia asiatica L., Tiliaceae`
Please visit http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-348.html for furhter info on how to cultivate it in your own garden.
2.Shehtut aka Shetur aka Himalayan Mulberry aka `M. laevigata`
Please visit http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html for further info on how to cultivate in your own garden.
``Stop bitchin n moanin just do da deed...
Grow yr own weed my friend...
Grow yr own weed``
Jerry Garcia for ACLFMP (American Coalition for Legalization of Faalsay for Medicinal Purposes)
1.Faalsay aka Phalsa aka `Grewia asiatica L., Tiliaceae`
Please visit http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-348.html for furhter info on how to cultivate it in your own garden.
2.Shehtut aka Shetur aka Himalayan Mulberry aka `M. laevigata`
Please visit http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html for further info on how to cultivate in your own garden.
``Stop bitchin n moanin just do da deed...
Grow yr own weed my friend...
Grow yr own weed``
Jerry Garcia for ACLFMP (American Coalition for Legalization of Faalsay for Medicinal Purposes)
#16 Posted by the_happy_one on August 14, 2000 3:22:34 pm
Hey T...
As you will see if you visit the links I posted you need to get to NoCal or `Lanta to find native Falsay or Shehtut. You live in Canada dude.... so tough!! But take heart.... you got the Bare Naked Ladies!
As you will see if you visit the links I posted you need to get to NoCal or `Lanta to find native Falsay or Shehtut. You live in Canada dude.... so tough!! But take heart.... you got the Bare Naked Ladies!
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