Bina Shah August 20, 2000
#135 Posted by xay on February 4, 2001 11:23:10 am
Dear Bina,
How could you deal with a manifestation of human penury and helplessness so insensitively? How could you even list the mocking, banal, saddening attempts at humor of people who are devoid of social empathy? A girl who was married to a dog. A DOG! you say perhaps its better than being married to a humanbeing? Perhaps you should try it for yourself then, since you consider it not be much of a plight to be married off to a cur. Forget the psychological imprints that its going to have upon the girl, Think about the inhuman act which decided the path the girl is going to travel upon all her miserable life. Is she ever going to forget the humiliation? Will she ever be able to forgive her father, her tradition, people who `enjoyed the feast`, the age, the society? Won`t she always remember the pathos manifested by that picture printed in the papers? Humanity reduced to levels of beastliness. Marriage of a civilization with an animal.
Perhaps you shouldn`t have dealt with this issue at all, since you lack, and quite ostensibly if I may add, the finesse to deal with such a subject with the compassion, empathy, understanding of the pain of suffering, degradation, mortification and utter debilititation of a girl helpless at the hands of a cursed system, that it called out for.
Best regards,
Xaenub Mirza.
How could you deal with a manifestation of human penury and helplessness so insensitively? How could you even list the mocking, banal, saddening attempts at humor of people who are devoid of social empathy? A girl who was married to a dog. A DOG! you say perhaps its better than being married to a humanbeing? Perhaps you should try it for yourself then, since you consider it not be much of a plight to be married off to a cur. Forget the psychological imprints that its going to have upon the girl, Think about the inhuman act which decided the path the girl is going to travel upon all her miserable life. Is she ever going to forget the humiliation? Will she ever be able to forgive her father, her tradition, people who `enjoyed the feast`, the age, the society? Won`t she always remember the pathos manifested by that picture printed in the papers? Humanity reduced to levels of beastliness. Marriage of a civilization with an animal.
Perhaps you shouldn`t have dealt with this issue at all, since you lack, and quite ostensibly if I may add, the finesse to deal with such a subject with the compassion, empathy, understanding of the pain of suffering, degradation, mortification and utter debilititation of a girl helpless at the hands of a cursed system, that it called out for.
Best regards,
Xaenub Mirza.
#134 Posted by xay on February 4, 2001 11:23:10 am
Dear Bina,
How could you deal with a manifestation of human penury and helplessness so insensitively? How could you even list the mocking, banal, saddening attempts at humour of people who are devoid of social empathy? A girl who was married to a dog. A DOG! you say perhaps its better than being married to a humanbeing? Perhaps you should try it for yourself then, since you consider it not be much of a plight to be married off to a cur. Forget the psychological imprints that its going to have upon the girl, Think about the inhuman act which decided the path the girl is going to travel upon all her miserable life. Is she ever going to forget the humiliation? Will she ever be able to forgive her father, her tradition, people who `enjoyed the feast`, the age, the society? Won`t she always remember the pathos manifested by that picture printed in the papers? Humanity reduced to levels of beastliness. Marriage of a civilization with an animal.
Perhaps you shouldn`t have dealt with this issue at all, since you lack, and quite ostensibly if I may add, the finesse to deal with such a subject with the compassion, empathy, understanding of the pain of suffering, degradation, mortification and utter debilititation of a girl helpless at the hands of a cursed system, that it called out for.
Best regards,
Xaenub Mirza.
How could you deal with a manifestation of human penury and helplessness so insensitively? How could you even list the mocking, banal, saddening attempts at humour of people who are devoid of social empathy? A girl who was married to a dog. A DOG! you say perhaps its better than being married to a humanbeing? Perhaps you should try it for yourself then, since you consider it not be much of a plight to be married off to a cur. Forget the psychological imprints that its going to have upon the girl, Think about the inhuman act which decided the path the girl is going to travel upon all her miserable life. Is she ever going to forget the humiliation? Will she ever be able to forgive her father, her tradition, people who `enjoyed the feast`, the age, the society? Won`t she always remember the pathos manifested by that picture printed in the papers? Humanity reduced to levels of beastliness. Marriage of a civilization with an animal.
Perhaps you shouldn`t have dealt with this issue at all, since you lack, and quite ostensibly if I may add, the finesse to deal with such a subject with the compassion, empathy, understanding of the pain of suffering, degradation, mortification and utter debilititation of a girl helpless at the hands of a cursed system, that it called out for.
Best regards,
Xaenub Mirza.
#133 Posted by satyavadi on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
scout ki kahani satyavadi ki zubani
satyavadi is speeding away from la gaurdia. after a good 45 minutes drive, they arrive at nice apartment complex. scout invites him for a coffee and they go upstairs in her apartment. scout goes in the kitchen while satyavadi sits on the couch watching america`s most wanted. when scout returns with two cups of hot coffee, he is staring out from the window with his back facing her.
scout says ``coffee taiyyar hai``,
and the person standing at the window turns back turns back with an evil smile. its not satyavadi, its rsaxena. scout screams ``tum`` and drops the cups of coffee on the carpet, and her face turns a pale white.
``rsaxena, tum , tum yahan kaise?``, scout says shivering with fear and anger.
``ha ha ha ha. tune samjha tha, tu mujhe aise hi maat de degi.`` says rsaxena wrenching scout`s wrist.
scout: ``to woh kaun tha, airport pe....aur satyavadi kahan hai?``
and the main door opens with a bang.
enters satyavadi with a gun pointing towards the duo.
--to be continued--
satyavadi is speeding away from la gaurdia. after a good 45 minutes drive, they arrive at nice apartment complex. scout invites him for a coffee and they go upstairs in her apartment. scout goes in the kitchen while satyavadi sits on the couch watching america`s most wanted. when scout returns with two cups of hot coffee, he is staring out from the window with his back facing her.
scout says ``coffee taiyyar hai``,
and the person standing at the window turns back turns back with an evil smile. its not satyavadi, its rsaxena. scout screams ``tum`` and drops the cups of coffee on the carpet, and her face turns a pale white.
``rsaxena, tum , tum yahan kaise?``, scout says shivering with fear and anger.
``ha ha ha ha. tune samjha tha, tu mujhe aise hi maat de degi.`` says rsaxena wrenching scout`s wrist.
scout: ``to woh kaun tha, airport pe....aur satyavadi kahan hai?``
and the main door opens with a bang.
enters satyavadi with a gun pointing towards the duo.
--to be continued--
#132 Posted by satyavadi on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
Shankar #160:
``Maybe I`m splitting hairs, but Ayodhya is not Vatican city or Mecca. Its not like Varanasi , which hindus consider the seat of their religion. Why could`nt they build a Ram mandir just next to the mosque? Whats the big deal? Its not like Ram was born exactly at that spot. The whole sordid affair was a POLITICAL fiasco, in the name of ``religion``.``
Well, the Ramjanmabhoomi issue is not a question of history. For all we know there may not have been any Maryada Purshotta Ram, of Ayodhya. Its a matter of faith and religious belief. So it doesnt matter whether Ram was born at that spot, but that devout Hindus (and I am not one, I might not even be Hindu) believe he was. In deferrence to their faith, and taking into consideration the fact that for the Muslims the mosque is of no particular religious significance, the mosque could have been moved.
Well, there is no equivalent of Vatican or Kaba in Hinduism. But Hindus do have their own faith, which is no less than a Muslim`s in Islam. The leftists of India need to learn to respect that. And to give credit to the Hindu`s meekness or tolerance where it is due.
``In any case, let me hug my tree--go find your own to hug :)``
You can hug yours. I would rather hug something more animate. :)
``Maybe I`m splitting hairs, but Ayodhya is not Vatican city or Mecca. Its not like Varanasi , which hindus consider the seat of their religion. Why could`nt they build a Ram mandir just next to the mosque? Whats the big deal? Its not like Ram was born exactly at that spot. The whole sordid affair was a POLITICAL fiasco, in the name of ``religion``.``
Well, the Ramjanmabhoomi issue is not a question of history. For all we know there may not have been any Maryada Purshotta Ram, of Ayodhya. Its a matter of faith and religious belief. So it doesnt matter whether Ram was born at that spot, but that devout Hindus (and I am not one, I might not even be Hindu) believe he was. In deferrence to their faith, and taking into consideration the fact that for the Muslims the mosque is of no particular religious significance, the mosque could have been moved.
Well, there is no equivalent of Vatican or Kaba in Hinduism. But Hindus do have their own faith, which is no less than a Muslim`s in Islam. The leftists of India need to learn to respect that. And to give credit to the Hindu`s meekness or tolerance where it is due.
``In any case, let me hug my tree--go find your own to hug :)``
You can hug yours. I would rather hug something more animate. :)
#131 Posted by satyavadi on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
RSaxena:
In continuation of my last post.
Yeah I do share in your frustration (contempt for?) with the leftists.
Painting Saraswati nude is art but `Satanic Verses` is blasphemy. That was the stand of the Indian leftist brigade and that tells it all.
Satyavadi
In continuation of my last post.
Yeah I do share in your frustration (contempt for?) with the leftists.
Painting Saraswati nude is art but `Satanic Verses` is blasphemy. That was the stand of the Indian leftist brigade and that tells it all.
Satyavadi
#130 Posted by Urstruly on August 28, 2000 9:21:15 am
RSaxena
``..the reflection of sun from Gymno`s scalp...`` that was funny :)
``..the reflection of sun from Gymno`s scalp...`` that was funny :)
#129 Posted by jay on August 28, 2000 5:20:40 am
CRY MUSLIMS, CRY
Last thursday there was an news item in dawn about Azghar, the hijack fame being turned away from attending a meeting. The man is a mullah, a priest of religion, allegedly a religion of peace and he was travelling with four body guards. Why would a man of god, a high priest of religion need body guards, especially when the prieast is sending the young to jihadic graves. No his life is worth a lot more, to be guarded by another four lives.
The the man was going to attend an anti-india rally in that too in Islamabd. Why would a man of religion attend a hate rally.
The intelectuals of pakistan, the contributers on chowk, the great temporal blotting papers on the chowk can justify a dog article, cannot shed a tear for the religion. No they cannot, they cannot find the sadness, swamped over by the sheer delight from the dog.
Last thursday there was an news item in dawn about Azghar, the hijack fame being turned away from attending a meeting. The man is a mullah, a priest of religion, allegedly a religion of peace and he was travelling with four body guards. Why would a man of god, a high priest of religion need body guards, especially when the prieast is sending the young to jihadic graves. No his life is worth a lot more, to be guarded by another four lives.
The the man was going to attend an anti-india rally in that too in Islamabd. Why would a man of religion attend a hate rally.
The intelectuals of pakistan, the contributers on chowk, the great temporal blotting papers on the chowk can justify a dog article, cannot shed a tear for the religion. No they cannot, they cannot find the sadness, swamped over by the sheer delight from the dog.
#128 Posted by Pankaj on August 28, 2000 1:13:57 am
Ha Ha Ha. Do badon ke khel mein teesra(bachcha) baazi maar le gaya.Reminds me of some recent Hindi movies. Anyway so finally scout emerges as the heroine and satyavadi the hero of the drama.
Good ending and nice entertainment.
Cheers
#127 Posted by rsaxena on August 28, 2000 1:13:57 am
Re: scout
uhhh, nice try but you forgot an important part and tried to skip to the end of the story too quickly. While waiting at the airport, Maulana Krashid finds out about scout`s latest antics and is engraged. 15 Mujahideen wearing scratched aviator sunglasses and tablecloth headscarves from Yasser Arafat`s tailor are seen getting out of a Pajero truck parked at the US Airways terminal building. RSaxena - the evil one - runs off to the bathroom to hatch out his evil plan. He returns to find a ruckus in the building and turns around and, half-blinded by the reflection of the sun from gymno`s scalp, sees only the backs of gymno and scout as they are being dragged away...loud screams are heard from gymno about not leaving his laptop behind...
To be continued ...
uhhh, nice try but you forgot an important part and tried to skip to the end of the story too quickly. While waiting at the airport, Maulana Krashid finds out about scout`s latest antics and is engraged. 15 Mujahideen wearing scratched aviator sunglasses and tablecloth headscarves from Yasser Arafat`s tailor are seen getting out of a Pajero truck parked at the US Airways terminal building. RSaxena - the evil one - runs off to the bathroom to hatch out his evil plan. He returns to find a ruckus in the building and turns around and, half-blinded by the reflection of the sun from gymno`s scalp, sees only the backs of gymno and scout as they are being dragged away...loud screams are heard from gymno about not leaving his laptop behind...
To be continued ...
#126 Posted by rsaxena on August 28, 2000 1:13:57 am
Re: gymno
``As for the lonely part, I was not the one suggesting romantic walks on bridges to females on Chowk. Talk about trolling for dates!``
Now let me remember correctly here...was it not you who was demanding ``vital stastics`` on the shoe board not too long ago...to be expected of software manager types.
As for bridges, well if one of your hands wasn`t busy while you were reading, it would have been clear that the description could`ve very well been in a Lonely Planet guide to NYC and was as impersonal as could be. In any case, seeing that you were in no way involved in the conversation, it`s quite a curiousity how excited it`s made you.
Finally, no gymno uncle, most people do not use the Internet to source dates...the ageing and desperate might substitute it for reality but the rest of us understand that on the Internet men may not be men and women may not be women and, in certain cases the person may be somewhere in the middle.
``As for the lonely part, I was not the one suggesting romantic walks on bridges to females on Chowk. Talk about trolling for dates!``
Now let me remember correctly here...was it not you who was demanding ``vital stastics`` on the shoe board not too long ago...to be expected of software manager types.
As for bridges, well if one of your hands wasn`t busy while you were reading, it would have been clear that the description could`ve very well been in a Lonely Planet guide to NYC and was as impersonal as could be. In any case, seeing that you were in no way involved in the conversation, it`s quite a curiousity how excited it`s made you.
Finally, no gymno uncle, most people do not use the Internet to source dates...the ageing and desperate might substitute it for reality but the rest of us understand that on the Internet men may not be men and women may not be women and, in certain cases the person may be somewhere in the middle.
#125 Posted by scout on August 27, 2000 8:56:37 pm
scout ki kahani, scout ki zubaani:
Scout innocently agrees to meet gymno and rsaxena at LaGuardia. She wears dark sunglasses to hide the evil rage brimming from her eyes. She sees the two Indian men standing staring at her, mouths wide open at the sheer beauty of her.
She approaches slowly, and before they can utter a hello/salaam/namaste, she pulls out a pistol from her Prada bag, aims it in gymno`s direction, whispers ``hasta la vista baby`` and pulls the trigger. As gymno falls to the ground, rsaxena turns running like a mad dog in the opposite direction, but scout`s reflexes are excellent and she points the gun to his back and shoots....sees him fall on his face.....God bless his soul...
scout walks away, sits inside a taxi waiting for her outside...as she sits inside the driver turns and we see the cute innocent face of satyavadi who utters ``kaam ho gaya?``...scout replies ``haan dono ko khalas kardia maine, is duniya say unka naam o nishaan mita dia..``
satyavadi smiles, gives scout a high five, and speeds away...
Scout innocently agrees to meet gymno and rsaxena at LaGuardia. She wears dark sunglasses to hide the evil rage brimming from her eyes. She sees the two Indian men standing staring at her, mouths wide open at the sheer beauty of her.
She approaches slowly, and before they can utter a hello/salaam/namaste, she pulls out a pistol from her Prada bag, aims it in gymno`s direction, whispers ``hasta la vista baby`` and pulls the trigger. As gymno falls to the ground, rsaxena turns running like a mad dog in the opposite direction, but scout`s reflexes are excellent and she points the gun to his back and shoots....sees him fall on his face.....God bless his soul...
scout walks away, sits inside a taxi waiting for her outside...as she sits inside the driver turns and we see the cute innocent face of satyavadi who utters ``kaam ho gaya?``...scout replies ``haan dono ko khalas kardia maine, is duniya say unka naam o nishaan mita dia..``
satyavadi smiles, gives scout a high five, and speeds away...
#124 Posted by gymnosophist on August 27, 2000 2:10:14 pm
Ref RSaxena #: 119
{You really must be a lonely middle-aged man.}
Well, just for this, I have to make it a choke-hold collar. As for the lonely part, I was not the one suggesting romantic walks on bridges to females on Chowk. Talk about trolling for dates!
;-)
{Can you spell p-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-o-n}
Projection is the right word; I had just left behind a brand-new puppy in India, a beautiful, adorable Golden Retriever. I was trying to project its personality on you. Now you understand why I also would be asking you to save Scout with your life. You can go into burning buildings and drag her out or jump into the lake and drag her ashore. Any relationship between Scout and you would be exacly like the one between that 4-year-old Bengali girl and her dog of a groom. Have you forgotten the title of this board? Plus, Scout would be the alpha leader of the pack, thus evening the score in the India-Pakistan context. :-)
It looks like we need an article on Kashmir so we can get to our habit of name-calling instead of this harmless fun.
{You really must be a lonely middle-aged man.}
Well, just for this, I have to make it a choke-hold collar. As for the lonely part, I was not the one suggesting romantic walks on bridges to females on Chowk. Talk about trolling for dates!
;-)
{Can you spell p-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-o-n}
Projection is the right word; I had just left behind a brand-new puppy in India, a beautiful, adorable Golden Retriever. I was trying to project its personality on you. Now you understand why I also would be asking you to save Scout with your life. You can go into burning buildings and drag her out or jump into the lake and drag her ashore. Any relationship between Scout and you would be exacly like the one between that 4-year-old Bengali girl and her dog of a groom. Have you forgotten the title of this board? Plus, Scout would be the alpha leader of the pack, thus evening the score in the India-Pakistan context. :-)
It looks like we need an article on Kashmir so we can get to our habit of name-calling instead of this harmless fun.
#123 Posted by jay on August 27, 2000 11:20:04 am
OF DOGS AND TIGERS
Apparently one of the best of pakistan, accoding to them, has at last written about dogs. How about `tiger Niazi`, the man who surredered the largest number of troops still called a `tiger`, or for that matter how did a do,,, turn to a tiger. No it will up set the military, better be stuck with the dogs.
Apparently one of the best of pakistan, accoding to them, has at last written about dogs. How about `tiger Niazi`, the man who surredered the largest number of troops still called a `tiger`, or for that matter how did a do,,, turn to a tiger. No it will up set the military, better be stuck with the dogs.
#122 Posted by jay on August 27, 2000 11:20:04 am
To pankaj,
Life is a lot more complicated than chemical engineering will make you believe. There are a lot like, Forozk, Bilal and others who believe that chowk can be transformed into some cyber haven where the indians and pakistanis hatch their plans for peace. This is absolute nonsense. Apparently 80% of the individual level interner interacts are about sex, of the remaining a large part is entertainment/ games related. I leave it for you to find out why it is so.
Chowk is a place to meet others, and express various ideas. The owners of the chowk and the contributers like the dogs one attemts tp provoke others. That is the rule of the chowk, there is no need for any one to get worked up about it. This is just a meeting place of ideas, it has nothing what so ever to do with my personal beliefs. I have no hesitation whatsoever to invite the allegedly dreaded india hating pakistani, hamid, into my house.
There is something called wisdom, you read only inbetween the lines. May god bestow it on you at some stage.
regards and best wishes
Jay.
Life is a lot more complicated than chemical engineering will make you believe. There are a lot like, Forozk, Bilal and others who believe that chowk can be transformed into some cyber haven where the indians and pakistanis hatch their plans for peace. This is absolute nonsense. Apparently 80% of the individual level interner interacts are about sex, of the remaining a large part is entertainment/ games related. I leave it for you to find out why it is so.
Chowk is a place to meet others, and express various ideas. The owners of the chowk and the contributers like the dogs one attemts tp provoke others. That is the rule of the chowk, there is no need for any one to get worked up about it. This is just a meeting place of ideas, it has nothing what so ever to do with my personal beliefs. I have no hesitation whatsoever to invite the allegedly dreaded india hating pakistani, hamid, into my house.
There is something called wisdom, you read only inbetween the lines. May god bestow it on you at some stage.
regards and best wishes
Jay.
#121 Posted by satyavadi on August 27, 2000 11:20:04 am
Gymno:
``Weak from the effect of Scout`s voodoo, all I can do is place Scout`s hand in RSaxena`s palm asking him to care for her with his life (can somebody supply the appropriate dialog in Hindi, please?) and I expire.``
Here you go, Gymno Chacha.
Gymno to Rsaxena (placing Scout`s hand in Rsaxena`s palm): ``Rsaxensa, main Scout ko aaj se tumhaare hawaley karta hoon. Meri pyaari Scout ka apni jaan se bhi zyaada khayal rakhna..,Rsaxena.``
and Gymno collapses in the arrival lounge of La Gaurdia. Scout shrieks`` Gymno...`` and Rsaxena is seen placing Gymno`s head in his lap, while Gymno breathes his last and has this ``i bless you `` look at Scout. He attempts to speak..``Scaaa.`` and then his head falls to the side in Rsaxena`s lap. Scout cries ``Naheeeeeeeeee``. Rsaxena can hardly control the evil smirk on his face, thinking ``bala talli``.
``Weak from the effect of Scout`s voodoo, all I can do is place Scout`s hand in RSaxena`s palm asking him to care for her with his life (can somebody supply the appropriate dialog in Hindi, please?) and I expire.``
Here you go, Gymno Chacha.
Gymno to Rsaxena (placing Scout`s hand in Rsaxena`s palm): ``Rsaxensa, main Scout ko aaj se tumhaare hawaley karta hoon. Meri pyaari Scout ka apni jaan se bhi zyaada khayal rakhna..,Rsaxena.``
and Gymno collapses in the arrival lounge of La Gaurdia. Scout shrieks`` Gymno...`` and Rsaxena is seen placing Gymno`s head in his lap, while Gymno breathes his last and has this ``i bless you `` look at Scout. He attempts to speak..``Scaaa.`` and then his head falls to the side in Rsaxena`s lap. Scout cries ``Naheeeeeeeeee``. Rsaxena can hardly control the evil smirk on his face, thinking ``bala talli``.
#120 Posted by satyavadi on August 27, 2000 11:20:04 am
Rsaxena #119 & #120:
O man, this thing between Gymno, Rsaxena and Scout is getting funnier by the day. Maybe like so many Hindi movies, after so much of nudging by Gymno, something real will emerge between Scout and Rsaxena.
I might then have to direct a new serial ``Pavitra Prem`` or more appropriately, ``Kiya Pyaar Sarhad Paar`` or in English ``Love across the LOC``.:)
BTW, whatever happens, all three of you are obliged to keep me posted. Afterall, I am the director. Aint I?
Satyavadi
O man, this thing between Gymno, Rsaxena and Scout is getting funnier by the day. Maybe like so many Hindi movies, after so much of nudging by Gymno, something real will emerge between Scout and Rsaxena.
I might then have to direct a new serial ``Pavitra Prem`` or more appropriately, ``Kiya Pyaar Sarhad Paar`` or in English ``Love across the LOC``.:)
BTW, whatever happens, all three of you are obliged to keep me posted. Afterall, I am the director. Aint I?
Satyavadi
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