The Ongoing IT Revolution and Security Implications for Pakistan
sac August 27, 2000
#41 Posted by Rdesikan on August 29, 2000 12:18:37 am
RE Sac #37
``This article was written for a Pakistani newspaper with the intention of stimulating discussion on the topic. India was used as a convenient vehicle to provoke action, hence the ``jingoistic`` tone of the article.``
You`re trying to speak from both sides of your mouth. Even if it were done for the reason of stimulating discussion, you still have couched it in terms of hatred, and then you tell us that we`ve overreacted. Give me a break.
So you`re sick of the IITs. So am I. But rather than convert this sickness into sheer hatred, why don`t you guys try to emulate the successes in your mileau.
BTW, if certain desis need lithium, the doctor`s prescription for your country could well be euthanasia.
In the meanwhile, we`ll just watch you slip and sink even further while you try to kick up some action in Kashmir.
Cheers
``This article was written for a Pakistani newspaper with the intention of stimulating discussion on the topic. India was used as a convenient vehicle to provoke action, hence the ``jingoistic`` tone of the article.``
You`re trying to speak from both sides of your mouth. Even if it were done for the reason of stimulating discussion, you still have couched it in terms of hatred, and then you tell us that we`ve overreacted. Give me a break.
So you`re sick of the IITs. So am I. But rather than convert this sickness into sheer hatred, why don`t you guys try to emulate the successes in your mileau.
BTW, if certain desis need lithium, the doctor`s prescription for your country could well be euthanasia.
In the meanwhile, we`ll just watch you slip and sink even further while you try to kick up some action in Kashmir.
Cheers
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#40 Posted by fairdinkum on August 29, 2000 12:01:12 am
Umairr #36
Dear Umairr,
Thank you for taking time to write this post. I concur.
Dear Umairr,
Thank you for taking time to write this post. I concur.
#39 Posted by sadna on August 28, 2000 11:47:47 pm
sac #37
``For better or for worse being anti-India has become a necessary ingredient of Pakistani identity. This is the dilemma that faces the nation-state.``
Leave the nation-state and Pakistani identity issue out of IT, it has no place there. It ought not to even have been present in basic matters of food, water, law and order and employment(same goes for India).
Pakistan should focus its efforts in finding the right niche of itself in the IT boom and on maximising its successes. This worthy aim does not imply the best way to do so is to make its measure of success or failure, the `overtaking` of another country with 7+ times its population.
Pankaj #6
You say India and Pakistan should resolve issues and start cooperating. Amen to that.
Vikram #14
Your post is right on the mark, thanks. You give the right perspective when you say,
``By being way ahead in IT a critical component of the ``connected world`` India will not only be influential directly but powerful multi nationals will have a vested interest in influencing their governments to neutralize Pakistan. These corporations might not be critically dependent on India but with a enough of time and money at stake to be bothered.``
Hopefully this will make sac temper his `slight paranoia` somewhat :-).
Sadhana
``For better or for worse being anti-India has become a necessary ingredient of Pakistani identity. This is the dilemma that faces the nation-state.``
Leave the nation-state and Pakistani identity issue out of IT, it has no place there. It ought not to even have been present in basic matters of food, water, law and order and employment(same goes for India).
Pakistan should focus its efforts in finding the right niche of itself in the IT boom and on maximising its successes. This worthy aim does not imply the best way to do so is to make its measure of success or failure, the `overtaking` of another country with 7+ times its population.
Pankaj #6
You say India and Pakistan should resolve issues and start cooperating. Amen to that.
Vikram #14
Your post is right on the mark, thanks. You give the right perspective when you say,
``By being way ahead in IT a critical component of the ``connected world`` India will not only be influential directly but powerful multi nationals will have a vested interest in influencing their governments to neutralize Pakistan. These corporations might not be critically dependent on India but with a enough of time and money at stake to be bothered.``
Hopefully this will make sac temper his `slight paranoia` somewhat :-).
Sadhana
#38 Posted by Chowk Staff on August 28, 2000 9:43:21 pm
The following response was submitted via email:
The article by sac is pure sensationalism. The idea that India`s IT revolution is a security threat to Pakistan is far fetched. The real
threat to the very existence of Pakistan is the state of it`s economy which is in shambles. The value of the rupee is sliding and the country
needs foreign exchange desperately. The government`s sudden interest in IT is due to the realization that software may be it`s only chance to increase exports and get some urgently needed foreign exchange to keep it`s head above water.
Recent research in India on the IT software success has drawn the following four conclusions: Software export is not directly related to
usage of IT in the Industrial and Commercial sectors, the setting up of IITs by the Nehru government has been instrumental in producing the
required IT manpower at the apportune time for India, the use of English as the medium of technical instruction is part of the reason for success and the management skills available to industrial houses like Tata was the catalyst in setting up software companies in India.
Pakistan can duplicate India`s success although the gap at this stage is very wide. The government`s help is required to set up top notch IT universities. sac`s contention that the state should back off would be disastrous if followed in the case of setting up these universities.
Private sector universities like LUMS,GIK and NUST charge students over Rs.2 lakhs a year. How many students can afford such fee. Pakistan needs
many more institutions like FAST in the public sector. The English language skills of our students is pathetic. These need upgrading. Well
managed industrial concerns such as ENGRO should be encouraged to start software houses. It is with steps like these that we can bring about a
change in Pakistan`s fortunes. Imagining every Indian success as a security threat to Pakistan is distorted thinking and it is time that such conspiracy theories are put to rest.
Sincerely
Hasan Masood Mirza
Islamabad
The article by sac is pure sensationalism. The idea that India`s IT revolution is a security threat to Pakistan is far fetched. The real
threat to the very existence of Pakistan is the state of it`s economy which is in shambles. The value of the rupee is sliding and the country
needs foreign exchange desperately. The government`s sudden interest in IT is due to the realization that software may be it`s only chance to increase exports and get some urgently needed foreign exchange to keep it`s head above water.
Recent research in India on the IT software success has drawn the following four conclusions: Software export is not directly related to
usage of IT in the Industrial and Commercial sectors, the setting up of IITs by the Nehru government has been instrumental in producing the
required IT manpower at the apportune time for India, the use of English as the medium of technical instruction is part of the reason for success and the management skills available to industrial houses like Tata was the catalyst in setting up software companies in India.
Pakistan can duplicate India`s success although the gap at this stage is very wide. The government`s help is required to set up top notch IT universities. sac`s contention that the state should back off would be disastrous if followed in the case of setting up these universities.
Private sector universities like LUMS,GIK and NUST charge students over Rs.2 lakhs a year. How many students can afford such fee. Pakistan needs
many more institutions like FAST in the public sector. The English language skills of our students is pathetic. These need upgrading. Well
managed industrial concerns such as ENGRO should be encouraged to start software houses. It is with steps like these that we can bring about a
change in Pakistan`s fortunes. Imagining every Indian success as a security threat to Pakistan is distorted thinking and it is time that such conspiracy theories are put to rest.
Sincerely
Hasan Masood Mirza
Islamabad
#37 Posted by sac on August 28, 2000 9:41:25 pm
This article was written for a Pakistani newspaper with the intention of stimulating discussion on the topic. India was used as a convenient vehicle to provoke action, hence the ``jingoistic`` tone of the article.
As usual the holier than thou Indians have self-congratulated themselves to a GPF and the self-pitying Pakistanis don`t see a light at the end of the tunnel. veeresh in his reply #8 and some others have raised the question of why does Pakistan need to look at India for inspiration? For better or for worse being anti-India has become a necessary ingredient of Pakistani identity. This is the dilemma that faces the nation-state. As the zionist visionary Theodor Herzl pointed out so poignantly. ``A nation is a historical group of men of recongnizable cohesion,held together by a common enemy``, Pakistan needs to harness that obsession with India for its own good.
That is why instead of promoting feel-good exerises like bus-rides to Lahore, the only chance peace has is to promote economic co-operation between the two countries. The gas-pipeline from Iran passing through Pakistan to India has little chance of going through but if it does would be the sort of mutually beneficial transaction that may lead to lessening of tensions.Pakistan and India as nations will never be friends.There has been too much bad blood between the two. But maybe they can save the aggression for cricket matches and Chowk interacts only :)
Coming back to the IT debate,I am sick and tired of reading about the IITs.As far as I am concerned the kids from IITs might as well have been taught ceramic-making.They would still have done well abroad.The worst student in my engineering class back in Paksitan now holds 6 patents!!
The question of whether the government can do much to help in IT industry development is an interesting one. I agree that the government should concentrate on improving the overall education standard,law and order situation,credit and taxation policies but most importantly it should recognize the limits of its authority.A nuclear bomb or the army cannot unify an almost failed state.Pakistanis need to start believing in themselves(Are you listening ameegoes?) and their abilities. There is still time. But not much.
later
-sac
P.S: re crypto #23:
An analysis of the ``brain`` virus revealed the address of its creators in the boot-sector :) BTW the same guys run the biggest ISP in Lahore now.
P.P.S: re anamika: Maybe you and RSaxena should meet.It will be more than a meeting of the minds. You can then negotiate for a group discount for Ritalin and Prozac at the local Duane Reade.
As usual the holier than thou Indians have self-congratulated themselves to a GPF and the self-pitying Pakistanis don`t see a light at the end of the tunnel. veeresh in his reply #8 and some others have raised the question of why does Pakistan need to look at India for inspiration? For better or for worse being anti-India has become a necessary ingredient of Pakistani identity. This is the dilemma that faces the nation-state. As the zionist visionary Theodor Herzl pointed out so poignantly. ``A nation is a historical group of men of recongnizable cohesion,held together by a common enemy``, Pakistan needs to harness that obsession with India for its own good.
That is why instead of promoting feel-good exerises like bus-rides to Lahore, the only chance peace has is to promote economic co-operation between the two countries. The gas-pipeline from Iran passing through Pakistan to India has little chance of going through but if it does would be the sort of mutually beneficial transaction that may lead to lessening of tensions.Pakistan and India as nations will never be friends.There has been too much bad blood between the two. But maybe they can save the aggression for cricket matches and Chowk interacts only :)
Coming back to the IT debate,I am sick and tired of reading about the IITs.As far as I am concerned the kids from IITs might as well have been taught ceramic-making.They would still have done well abroad.The worst student in my engineering class back in Paksitan now holds 6 patents!!
The question of whether the government can do much to help in IT industry development is an interesting one. I agree that the government should concentrate on improving the overall education standard,law and order situation,credit and taxation policies but most importantly it should recognize the limits of its authority.A nuclear bomb or the army cannot unify an almost failed state.Pakistanis need to start believing in themselves(Are you listening ameegoes?) and their abilities. There is still time. But not much.
later
-sac
P.S: re crypto #23:
An analysis of the ``brain`` virus revealed the address of its creators in the boot-sector :) BTW the same guys run the biggest ISP in Lahore now.
P.P.S: re anamika: Maybe you and RSaxena should meet.It will be more than a meeting of the minds. You can then negotiate for a group discount for Ritalin and Prozac at the local Duane Reade.
#36 Posted by tahmed321 on August 28, 2000 9:41:25 pm
Rdesikan Right on! IT Zindabad (all God`s children have jobs now!!)
#35 Posted by Umairr on August 28, 2000 9:41:25 pm
``Pakistan has a window of opportunity of not more than two years to get its IT strategy in place. After that no increase in defense budget or nuclear capability can prevent the inevitable. India will have won the war without firing a single shot.``
This last paragraph seems to form the gist of your argument. I cannot agree with it. First of all, how did you come up with the timeframe of two years? Why not one year, or ten years?
Secondly, you argue that Pakistan needs to get its IT strategy in place. However, earlier you argue that the govt. needs to, ``get out of the way.`` If the key is for the govt. to completely get out of the way, then a national IT strategy is not required. All private industries in any country, work within a framework of rules and regulations that are formed by the govt.
Thirdly, you state that, ``increase in budget provisions for IT are useless.`` In my opinion, the first thing that needs to be done is to increase the IT budget. While I agree that the govt. should not get into the minute details of policy making, it definitely needs to inject money into the system. Where else is the money going to come from to set up the infrastructure? Who is going to set up colleges, and schools, lay down cable etc? In every country of the world, infrastructure is always initially set up by the govt. Govts. can hire private companies to set up the infrastructure, however the govts. have to put in the initial money. The progenitor of the Internet was ArpaNet; a US govt. Department of Defense project. I believe the UN actually defines a certain percentage of the national budget that all countries should spend on IT. So the govt. money is desperately needed. What needs to be avoided is undue beuracratic interference from the govt. The former and later are two different things.
Competition amongst countries in IT is not a win-lose scenario. It is not like a war. If one country is successful in IT, it does not necessarily mean the other country will lose out, or cease to exist. The only time that can happen is if the successful country uses the money generated from IT to bulk up its defence forces and then attack its opposition. If India does decide to adapt that policy, then it will only be Pakistan`s nuclear capability that will act as a deterrent; not the amount of progress Pakistan makes in IT.
From what I have read in the newspapers, and through conversations with friends in Pakistan, the current Pakistani govt. is doing quite a bit in IT. There is a comprehensive IT policy that has been formed, which for once, seems to make a lot of sense. Most of the members forming the policy were from the private sector. Three or four universities are being established. I think Aga Khan is being contacted to establish a university on the lines of Aga Khan Medical College. A virtual university is being planned. The Internet access rates have been reduced by over 50%, and will be reduced by another 25%. PTCL will be privatized soon. PTCL`s control of Network Access Points in Pakistan has been stopped. Voice over IP has been legalized, and PTCL will now have to compete against private companies in this area. All govt. servants will now be evaluated on IT skills. All govt. departments have been ordered to webify themselves. NCR has established Pakistan`s first datawarehouse in the form of the NADRA database. This will be like the Social Security Database in the US. Various VC funds have been contacted to provide upto $1 million dollars each for entrepreneurial projects. A few have already started doing so. All of Pakistan has been declared a tax-reduced or tax-free zone for IT. Musharraf has been willing to go to the openings of even small IT shops just to encourage IT professionals. The IT budget was increased by a phenomenal percentage (in the thousands).
Not bad for 10 months of work. I do not know how much of the above will be successful. However, as an IT person myself, I think the current govt. has the right idea.
The govt. initially contacted Safi Qureshi (I believe the only South Asian whose IT company has ever made it to the Fortune 500 list) to be the minister of S&T. He refused due to his philanthropic commitments. It then contacted Masood Jabbar, the Pakistani-American President of Sun Microsystems. He almost agreed, but later turned it down. So you cannot blame the current govt. for not trying to get top talent from the private industry. The above two can hold their own against anyone in the international IT management arena. The current minister Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman, is an internationally recognized scientist, and seems to be doing quite well.
Lets see what happens.
So, while I agree with the article on an abstract level, i.e. Pakistan needs to progress in IT, I do not agree with the reasons you have given to justify the progress. Pakistan should try to progress in IT regardless of what India is doing. Apart from self-defence, there is no need for Pakistan to relate everything to India. And the only situation under which India`s IT success could be a military threat to Pakistan is if India starts pumping its IT money into its military. I think it would be quite useless of India to do so. It would infact be to Pakistan`s advantage if India started pumping IT money into its defences forces, on not into its economic infrastructure. Pakistan has on the whole decided to freeze its conventional defence budget, and is now relying on a nuclear deterent. This in my opinion is the right way to go. With a strong nuclear deterrent in place in Pakistan, it doesn`t really make any difference how large India`s military becomes.
This last paragraph seems to form the gist of your argument. I cannot agree with it. First of all, how did you come up with the timeframe of two years? Why not one year, or ten years?
Secondly, you argue that Pakistan needs to get its IT strategy in place. However, earlier you argue that the govt. needs to, ``get out of the way.`` If the key is for the govt. to completely get out of the way, then a national IT strategy is not required. All private industries in any country, work within a framework of rules and regulations that are formed by the govt.
Thirdly, you state that, ``increase in budget provisions for IT are useless.`` In my opinion, the first thing that needs to be done is to increase the IT budget. While I agree that the govt. should not get into the minute details of policy making, it definitely needs to inject money into the system. Where else is the money going to come from to set up the infrastructure? Who is going to set up colleges, and schools, lay down cable etc? In every country of the world, infrastructure is always initially set up by the govt. Govts. can hire private companies to set up the infrastructure, however the govts. have to put in the initial money. The progenitor of the Internet was ArpaNet; a US govt. Department of Defense project. I believe the UN actually defines a certain percentage of the national budget that all countries should spend on IT. So the govt. money is desperately needed. What needs to be avoided is undue beuracratic interference from the govt. The former and later are two different things.
Competition amongst countries in IT is not a win-lose scenario. It is not like a war. If one country is successful in IT, it does not necessarily mean the other country will lose out, or cease to exist. The only time that can happen is if the successful country uses the money generated from IT to bulk up its defence forces and then attack its opposition. If India does decide to adapt that policy, then it will only be Pakistan`s nuclear capability that will act as a deterrent; not the amount of progress Pakistan makes in IT.
From what I have read in the newspapers, and through conversations with friends in Pakistan, the current Pakistani govt. is doing quite a bit in IT. There is a comprehensive IT policy that has been formed, which for once, seems to make a lot of sense. Most of the members forming the policy were from the private sector. Three or four universities are being established. I think Aga Khan is being contacted to establish a university on the lines of Aga Khan Medical College. A virtual university is being planned. The Internet access rates have been reduced by over 50%, and will be reduced by another 25%. PTCL will be privatized soon. PTCL`s control of Network Access Points in Pakistan has been stopped. Voice over IP has been legalized, and PTCL will now have to compete against private companies in this area. All govt. servants will now be evaluated on IT skills. All govt. departments have been ordered to webify themselves. NCR has established Pakistan`s first datawarehouse in the form of the NADRA database. This will be like the Social Security Database in the US. Various VC funds have been contacted to provide upto $1 million dollars each for entrepreneurial projects. A few have already started doing so. All of Pakistan has been declared a tax-reduced or tax-free zone for IT. Musharraf has been willing to go to the openings of even small IT shops just to encourage IT professionals. The IT budget was increased by a phenomenal percentage (in the thousands).
Not bad for 10 months of work. I do not know how much of the above will be successful. However, as an IT person myself, I think the current govt. has the right idea.
The govt. initially contacted Safi Qureshi (I believe the only South Asian whose IT company has ever made it to the Fortune 500 list) to be the minister of S&T. He refused due to his philanthropic commitments. It then contacted Masood Jabbar, the Pakistani-American President of Sun Microsystems. He almost agreed, but later turned it down. So you cannot blame the current govt. for not trying to get top talent from the private industry. The above two can hold their own against anyone in the international IT management arena. The current minister Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman, is an internationally recognized scientist, and seems to be doing quite well.
Lets see what happens.
So, while I agree with the article on an abstract level, i.e. Pakistan needs to progress in IT, I do not agree with the reasons you have given to justify the progress. Pakistan should try to progress in IT regardless of what India is doing. Apart from self-defence, there is no need for Pakistan to relate everything to India. And the only situation under which India`s IT success could be a military threat to Pakistan is if India starts pumping its IT money into its military. I think it would be quite useless of India to do so. It would infact be to Pakistan`s advantage if India started pumping IT money into its defences forces, on not into its economic infrastructure. Pakistan has on the whole decided to freeze its conventional defence budget, and is now relying on a nuclear deterent. This in my opinion is the right way to go. With a strong nuclear deterrent in place in Pakistan, it doesn`t really make any difference how large India`s military becomes.
#34 Posted by Anarchistan on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
surely there are those who think it wouldn`t be such a bad idea if pakistan does become a vassal state of india. as long as they let us field our own cricket team. with all due respect to the horrors of war, etc., forcing wasim to open the bowling with srinath et al. would be a REAL tragedy.
#33 Posted by cbb on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
I think that the idea of putting a so called
``right strategy`` wihin 2 years belies other
arguments made elsewhere in the article.
For example, just like Indian government has
contributed only to the extent that it provided
infra structure for education but it did not
contribute any thing towards IT itself; the same
way having any strategy made by the Pakistan
government now will be counter productive.
As suggested by the author himself, government
should be out of this picture but it should focus
on revamping the education system only.
To be honest, changing the education system is
also superficial. The whole outlook towards
education, especially science related education,
will have to be re developed.
And this job certainly needs peace at the mind
and at the borders! It also assumes approval
from jihadi parties and from other religious right
wing sectors who inadvertantly link science with
western propaganda.
I hope, for a change, this issue is not linked
with India Pakistan rut, but is linked to a
welfare of around a billion or so South Asians
who do not have access to good education. The last
thing we need is a debate on who excels in C++,
an Indian or a Pakistani!
In today`s world, educa
``right strategy`` wihin 2 years belies other
arguments made elsewhere in the article.
For example, just like Indian government has
contributed only to the extent that it provided
infra structure for education but it did not
contribute any thing towards IT itself; the same
way having any strategy made by the Pakistan
government now will be counter productive.
As suggested by the author himself, government
should be out of this picture but it should focus
on revamping the education system only.
To be honest, changing the education system is
also superficial. The whole outlook towards
education, especially science related education,
will have to be re developed.
And this job certainly needs peace at the mind
and at the borders! It also assumes approval
from jihadi parties and from other religious right
wing sectors who inadvertantly link science with
western propaganda.
I hope, for a change, this issue is not linked
with India Pakistan rut, but is linked to a
welfare of around a billion or so South Asians
who do not have access to good education. The last
thing we need is a debate on who excels in C++,
an Indian or a Pakistani!
In today`s world, educa
#32 Posted by mohajir on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
Digital Divide between India and Pakistan
http://www.mcconnellinternational.com/ereadiness/EReadinessReport.htm
Many developing countries could be condemned to economic stagnation because of a lack of investment in high-technology infrastructure.
Among the countries not yet prepared to catch up with the computer revolution are China, Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan and South Africa.
India and Malaysia serve as two examples of countries that have been particularly forward-looking in the realm of information technology legislation. Both are notable for the comprehensiveness of recently enacted legal frameworks designed to create predictability about information security.
Asia’s Human Capital resources are strong. In addition to three economies rated blue, four are
amber, showing that sufficiently skilled workforces are in place to drive E-Business forward. South Korea,for example, takes pride in its “gold card” immigration policy, designed to make immigration as easy and smooth a process as possible for the recruiting of high-tech experts, particularly software engineers from India.
Despite its progress in these areas, Connectivity in Asia remains an important issue. Eight of the ten economies are red. India, for example, even with its reputation as a software powerhouse, has one of the lowest tele-densities in the world, standing currently at approximately 1.5 lines per 100 persons. PC penetration is considerably lower, at approximately 0.2 per 100.
http://www.mcconnellinternational.com/ereadiness/EReadinessReport.htm
Many developing countries could be condemned to economic stagnation because of a lack of investment in high-technology infrastructure.
Among the countries not yet prepared to catch up with the computer revolution are China, Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan and South Africa.
India and Malaysia serve as two examples of countries that have been particularly forward-looking in the realm of information technology legislation. Both are notable for the comprehensiveness of recently enacted legal frameworks designed to create predictability about information security.
Asia’s Human Capital resources are strong. In addition to three economies rated blue, four are
amber, showing that sufficiently skilled workforces are in place to drive E-Business forward. South Korea,for example, takes pride in its “gold card” immigration policy, designed to make immigration as easy and smooth a process as possible for the recruiting of high-tech experts, particularly software engineers from India.
Despite its progress in these areas, Connectivity in Asia remains an important issue. Eight of the ten economies are red. India, for example, even with its reputation as a software powerhouse, has one of the lowest tele-densities in the world, standing currently at approximately 1.5 lines per 100 persons. PC penetration is considerably lower, at approximately 0.2 per 100.
#31 Posted by rchandar on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
You have hit the spot!!!
Pakistan needs to really get going on the IT path. It has some brilliant people who are sophisticated enough to have a healthy competition with Indian IT brains.
Imagine the powerhouse if India and Pakistan could get together on leading an IT revolution in South Asia. Will we rule the world or will we rule the world!!!
Pakistan needs to really get going on the IT path. It has some brilliant people who are sophisticated enough to have a healthy competition with Indian IT brains.
Imagine the powerhouse if India and Pakistan could get together on leading an IT revolution in South Asia. Will we rule the world or will we rule the world!!!
#30 Posted by ameegoes on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
An excellently written article that paints the unfortunaltely bleak picture that surrounds our approach to entering and rising in the IT field.
Lets get out there and show the world that we too have the expertise and the know-how to build an IT empire.
How we can go about that really baffles me;but somebody out there please step up and help us save our nation from ruin. Anybody please!!!
Ameer.
Lets get out there and show the world that we too have the expertise and the know-how to build an IT empire.
How we can go about that really baffles me;but somebody out there please step up and help us save our nation from ruin. Anybody please!!!
Ameer.
#29 Posted by Rdesikan on August 28, 2000 4:57:38 pm
RE: ylh
You said ``I dont want to get into an India-Pakistan match over who is better and who is not ....``
Good. Let`s see if you can keep it that way!!!
JIYE IT!
INTERNET ZINDABAD!
BILL GATES FOR GOD!
You said ``I dont want to get into an India-Pakistan match over who is better and who is not ....``
Good. Let`s see if you can keep it that way!!!
JIYE IT!
INTERNET ZINDABAD!
BILL GATES FOR GOD!
#28 Posted by Urstruly on August 28, 2000 4:55:50 pm
One day, a Desi IT specialist, let`s say, Gymno, finds a little frog which is telling him:``Kiss me, I am a princess``. Gymno puts him into his pocket. Having arrived at work, the frog is asking him: ``Kiss me, I am a princess``. No reaction from Gymno again. In the evening he goes to the pub and shows the frog to his friends. The frog is using that occasion and says to Gymno: ``Kiss me, I am a bewitched princess``. No reaction from him. So, his friends are asking him:``Why don`t you kiss the frog?`` Well, Gymno is saying, I have no time for a girl friend, but a talking frog is kinda cute``.
#26 Posted by ferozk on August 28, 2000 12:30:30 pm
Re: Sac
An apt article!
Two years is too little! The bureaucrats and the so called elites of Pakistan will never allow it! Education, the sine qua non of an IT boom in Pakistan, is a threat to their rule and has to be denied! :)
Five to ten years tops and then the only place you can find Pakistan will be in an outdated atlas of the world!
Ciao!
An apt article!
Two years is too little! The bureaucrats and the so called elites of Pakistan will never allow it! Education, the sine qua non of an IT boom in Pakistan, is a threat to their rule and has to be denied! :)
Five to ten years tops and then the only place you can find Pakistan will be in an outdated atlas of the world!
Ciao!
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