The Ongoing IT Revolution and Security Implications for Pakistan

FerozK # 178

Chowk brings out the best in us and also the worst in us.

We need an exorcist for this Demon!.

tahmad321

If you will take my previous post to you as a temporary lapse, I will be very grateful.

Since its sac`s board, I am taking a further liberty adding to those I have already taken and am quoting an example from Ayn Rand. She draws a comparison between 2 situations. In one, an artist has a beautiful woman as a model, though the woman has a temporary blemish on her face, she serves his purpose so he paints her beauty and not the blemish. In the second and much different situation, he has the same beautiful model with the same temporary blemish on her face, but he chooses to include the blemish in his picturisation of her beauty.

There is a lot of difference between the artist`s intents in both situations. Its one thing to recognise a problem or blemish, say mutual enmity or sectarian hatred, its quite another thing to aim to deliberately preserve it for all posterity. You`ll realise this applies to Pakistan-India politics and even to IT strategy apparently.

Sadhana

Re: scout

``Yeah just like the buffoons who get their underwear in a knot at the mention of something critical of India. One of those buffoons is you.``

I`m surprised to read that coming from you. Was it not just 2 weeks ago that we were trashing our respective countries` lack of sewage systems, illiteracy rates, etc.? You know it`s true...that`s what got that troll gymno a little worked up.

``As for the Pakistani basmati rice, read my post again, you didn`t get the gist of my message and thought I was gloating :)``

Sorry, if I misread it...I`ll go read it again. Got a little excited reading all these posts which brought me back to my element :)

``Nice to see you back to your regular bigoted, sarcastic, snooty self.``

Snooty and sarcastic maybe but not really bigoted if you read between the lines.

Re: happy-one

``I hope you understand that the systemic/ economic discrimination you are purporting is the same kind that eventually led to 6 million Jews being slaughtered.``

Oh my, what grade of hash are you smoking and who gave you the bulk quantity discount? Chill out my little leftist friend...chucking resumes (wrong as it may be) is a little removed from gas chambers, despite what your ACLU booklet might suggest. It`s no different than boycotting particular businesses which is not uncommon amongst citizens of warring countries residing in foreign countries.

20,000 Jihadis trained in Peshawar University- ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/abu000830.html

Deadly Pakistani University

As the Soviet Union withdrew its troops from Afghanistan in 1989, the CIA’s powerful Pakistani partner, the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate) found itself losing control of the Afghan fighting groups.

Although the ISI continued to train and equip some for warfare against India in Kashmir and Punjab provinces, Abu Sayyaf had also established a “university,” north of Peshawar, Pakistan, to train terrorists in the methods taught by the CIA and ISI.

Senior Pakistani police officials said it trained terrorists for the Philippines, the Middle East, North Africa — and New York — and a senior Pakistani officer acknowledges that 20,000 volunteers were trained in the Peshawar “university” and that after the 1979-89 war ended, the alumni “looked for other wars to fight.”

Abu Sayyaf moved operations to the Philippines, ostensibly to support the generations-long battle for an independent Muslim state in the southern islands.

Among their leaders were two brothers, named Qaddafi Aburazak and Qadaffi Janjalani, ostensibly out of their father’s esteem for Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, who has been mixing in Philippine affairs since the 1970s.

Other Afghan veterans ended up stimulating unrest, rebellion and civil wars in Pakistan itself, India, Sudan, Egypt, Algeria, Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania. Their proclaimed goal was to establish Islamic states, according to the commands of God, around the world.

Ramzi Ahmed Youssef, jailed for life for the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City in 1993, is believed to have frequented Abu Sayyaf school.

Dangerous Alumni

Youssef’s work with Abu Sayyaf became known in 1994. On Dec.11, a bomb aboard a Philippine Airlines (PAL) flight from Manila to Tokyo killed a passenger and injured six others.

The Abu Sayyaf group claimed responsibility for the attack in a phone call.

FBI, CIA and Filipino investigators discovered that Youssef was the master planner of this and other unsuccessful attempts to bomb 11 other airliners, all American, over the Pacific on the same day.

Shortly after the bombing, Filipino security forces raided a Manila flat used by Youssef and found strong evidence of a plot to kill visiting Pope John Paul II when he visited in January 1995.

After a long international manhunt, Youssef was arrested in a safe house belonging to bin Laden in Islamabad, Pakistan. He was extradited to the United States and later given a life sentence in a New York federal court.

rsaxena #55, ``You can`t make people believe in something out of necessity...it will never be genuine.``

Well said.

`` I believe that in Islam no inter-religious marriages can take place without conversion of the kafir to Islam.``

Yes Islam is a strict religion. But the one thing I`ve noticed is that Islam embraces converts and marriages are possible (providing the converting party has a deep understanding of what he/she is getting into). Religion is no joke, to those who practice it sincerely. Pushing the negativity of Islamic fundamentalism aside, Islam is probably the most convert-friendly religion in the world. It`s given direction to many, most notably African Americans, who`ve found in it, a religion that does not distinguish between birth, color, or social standing. In Muslim African American communities, the crime rates are astonishingly low. Why? Islam has given them direction, respect, and a high level of moral behavior. In Judaism, conversion is a difficult process and converts aren`t treated with the same equality and respect.

Sorry for getting off the subject. Just had to send something positive out there, even though I am not a very ``religious`` person.

scout

re sadna and fairdinkum:

guys: I look forward to your submissions on Chowk with a lot of interest. I am somewhat disappointed by the immaturity both of you exhibited this morning. fairdinkum has madeup for it by asking for clemency and Sadhana has mentioned Ayn Rand which means as far as I am concerned all is forgiven. Can we please be a little more civil in the future?

vsn: You`ve made your point. Can you please go away and terrorise some other board for a change? How about joining the discussion temporal and Rehan are having about sex? I am sure you have some invaluable insights on the subject.

RSaxena: My dear man:(I don`t think I am going to say that again) scout is pulling your eh..leg.She is going to end up with some bearded fellow from Khanewal who can buy her a couple of Ferraris...with cash. You should visit certain neighborhoods in Queens for better results.

scout:I have the address of this guy from Khanewal....you know feudal background,ivy-league dropout....hates Indians!! please e-mail me if interested at gandhi_patel@vsn.com

later

-sac

sadna #180 That was a classy ``mea culpa`` (concering the ``temporary lapse``). No problem.

sac

The things we have to do! A number of my(and others) earlier (mature)posts went unnoticed by you, kyaa kare`n :-).

Sadhana

#186 is a post for the other article!

sorry *sharminda *

sac #183 ``scout:I have the address of this guy from Khanewal....you know feudal background,ivy-league dropout....hates Indians!! please e-mail me if interested at gandhi_patel@vsn.com``

I don`t get the joke. Yes you may think I`m dumb for not getting it. I`m kind of straightforward.

No, I don`t hate Indians if that`s what you are implying.

scout

what the hell, chowk meiN bahut bheer ho rahi hai.

I was trying to tell Umair that the stats have to be meaningful, in terms of finding patterns (naturaly occuring) in nature.
So stats like ratio of INITmgr: INITtech
v/s
PKITmgr: PKITtech are absolutely meaningless and show nothing.
I completely believe everything he reports. So INITmgr:INITtech low SO WHAT DOTH THOU CONCLUDE ?
and
PKITmgr:PKITtech higer SO WHAT IS THE CONCLUSION ?

Do INITmgr:PKITmgr and INITtech:PKITtech matter at all ?
Is there a comparison ?
And Why ?

When the relevant enablers and solutions lie elsewhere. (quite simply education in the various ways)

regards

Re: sac

``My dear man:(I don`t think I am going to say that again) scout is pulling your eh..leg.She is going to end up with some bearded fellow from Khanewal who can buy her a couple of Ferraris...with cash. You should visit certain neighborhoods in Queens for better results.``

What in the world are you talking about and what does it have to do with me? Trying to pull a gymno here?

Please! Understand one thing. This amazing series of interacts brings out a simple fact: when all else fails, eat religion!

Religion, along with cricket, should be banned from chowk.

re sadna #187:

Dear Sadhana:

Sorry mem sahib. Won`t happen again. As far as your more mature posts are concerned, I think we`ve pretty much established that we diasgree vis-a-vis my recipe for getting the Pakis to move their butt toward participation in the global IT boom in particular and increased economic cooperation with India in all spheres in general.Lets just say the end justifies the means. But then most of my countrymen have chosen to take the high road.I wish them well.

later

-sac

sadna #180 (continued) To add to the example you give, in the book ``7 habits of highly effective people`` there is a drawing that looks like the face of an attractive young woman, but then (as the author asks us to do) if you try looking hard enough the picture looks like the face of a tired old woman (the young woman`s shirt becomes the old woman`s chin and so forth). The point being made is: different people can look at the same situation very differently. Part of the reason for all the stupid religion/national/linguistic etc. strife in the sub-continent is due to a lack of appreciation of this aspect of the human psyche.

Having thus solved the sub-continent`s religious, national and linguistic problems, I shall try to get back to some late evening work.