Reflections Of Shame

sac...

politeness sholiteness, thats a term i`m completely comfortable with. as for the sudden homily spasm..i stand by it. i have as much right to a seizure as the next neurotic.

shandana

re scout #32:

``am i a weirdo? :(``

Allow me to patronize you a little my dear. You haven`t reached that exalted state...yet. For now you are in that zone politely(again) referred to as `misfit`.....enjoy it while it lasts :)

re slink #33:

``i have as much right to a seizure as the next neurotic.``

Thanks for clearing that up. May I suggest you choose someone else you are on more intimate terms with when the urge to pontificate overwhelms you again...or is it how we break the ice these days? ;)

later

-sac

sac #34,

So people who aren`t a part of organized cliques such as fraternities/sororities are misfits or weirdos?

What is your definition of a misfit? Here is one that I found:

``mis.fit = One who is unable to adjust to one`s environment or circumstances or is considered to be disturbingly different from others. ``

Darn! I need to go back to college and join a sorority or else I`ll be ``disturbingly different from others.`` Podunk University, here I come......

sac....`urge to pontificate`.. all the people i`m on intimate terms obviously see it coming and take evasive measures. as for breaking the ice, the only ice i`d be interested in breaking is the fine crust that seems to have formed around your cranium and frozen it in time.

misfit+wierdo=insulting in the eighties (which are gone now..say bubye)

re slink && scout:

``he only ice i`d be interested in breaking is the fine crust that seems to have formed around your cranium and frozen it in time.``

Good one....and good luck!!

Both of you seem to forming a little anti-sac clique here ;)

What strikes me as interesting is the fact that you seem to have imbibed the western insistence on individuality to the core.I agree with you that going to school is an essentially a process of self-discovery.What you seem to be discounting is the ability to function well in group settings and activities.Being part of a `clique` is not necessarily a sign of weakness. And it does not take away ones faculties of individual thought and action.As Feroze mentioned in his post, people from organized cults like fraternities and sororities tend to do much better in the real world than their more nerdy counterparts.They are definitely not more intelligent.Simply better adjusted to people and their surroundings.

later

-sac

P.S: Feroze: Sorry for wasting space on your board. Can you please put a stop to it?

Re: sac # 37

What space wastage might you be refering to ? :)

Ciao!

sac #37, ``people from organized cults like fraternities and sororities tend to do much better in the real world than their more nerdy counterparts.They are definitely not more intelligent.Simply better adjusted to people and their surroundings.``

Define ``do much better in the real world.``

Better in what sense? If you mean better in the sense that they have cocktails over lunch at their country clubs, then it`s a pretty superficial concept. To me, getting places through contacts and on the shoulder of your ``cults`` is getting no place at all.

A real ``someone`` is one who gets places without the help of fraternities/sororities etc. I don`t need to give you examples of such people, you know them already.

And being a part of such ``cults`` in your college experience, doesn`t mean it`s these ``cults`` that get you where you are.

People who are a part of such ``cults`` are better adjusted amongst members of the same ``cult,`` not the world necessarily.

As for your claim that:

``Both of you seem to forming a little anti-sac clique here ;)``

I didn`t sit down with slink and have a meeting about you. What she says comes from her own thought process. Same goes for me. Besides, don`t give yourself so much importance :).

scout:

I`ll make one last(and feeble) attempt at explaining myself and then let you have the last word.

I was never a part of any oraganized cult in my college days and it is immaterial to my views on the subject.I am simply trying to delineate the importance of belonging to groups or activities which promote a sense of belonging and purpose.If you get that out of sports or intramural contests or the hare-krishnas is entirely upto you and as I commented earlier does not necessarily involve subordinating your individuality(although ironically some people may join these groups to actually highlight their individuality!!).

My allusion to `doing better in life` related to having a support structure that helps one in ones career,recreation(sipping cocktails in the country club!!) or even emotional well-being(bachelor parties :).Let me ask you a hypothetical question.Why do you interact/write on chowk? I do it because (sometimes) I find people here who I think can be fun to hang out with.I most often do not agree with them on most subjects yet I consider myself a devout chowkie.Does that make me any less of an individual than you? I don`t think so. As far as I am concerned we belong to a chowk `clique`.You may like it or not but our personality is built up of a collection of memberships in such `cliques` at a conscious as well as subconcious level.

And you mean there is no grand conspiracy between you and slink to get me? :(......what a let down?

later

-sac

Shandy, scout, sac:

Enough said! Please, let us turn to Feroz. He needs some cyber whipping to get this out of his system.

I suggest two hours of community service for the next four months as penance for him to be served with less than 80mg/litre of that in his blood with no, repeat no traces of THC or TGC or whatever is in that grassy weed. Feel free to second.

rgds,

t

Re: Temporal # 41

Community service will not get this out of my system! :) I will email you a solution soon!

Re: Scout

Regarding Greek based contacts - They are a resource for getting good jobs and there is nothing wrong with using a little personal leverage to get a good job. If I can get a job the easy way, why should I still try to it the hard way? :)

Yes, the contacts do offer an unfair advantage. There is no denying that fact. Life is unfair and if you can make it a little more fair, all the power to you! The contacts mostly only help in opening the doors for you, but what you do once you get inside is solely based on your competence levels.

Everyone can use a little help now and then! :)

Ciao!

The perception of shame is everything. It is this perception that becomes a reality one day. Therefore, it is imperative that author finds a cure for his (failed) state of mind; if he doesn`t, as a result his mind may implode or explode one day under the pressure of these hard perceptions.

It is strongly recommended to the author that ``What ever you do, don`t let reality slip into your world - you will be sorely dismayed!``

TO Satywadi

See I am pissed off right now because you have had the nerve to pass on a judgement about my family which has documented its family History for centuries... Ali Wali Hamdani, was from the Iranian city of Hamdan and he came to Kashmir to spread Islam ...His shrine was burnt down a few years ago by the Indian Army ...

Listen, whereas there might be people amongst Indian Muslims who claim to be what they are not .. you cannot expect me to deny my family history just to conform to your views. If I had completely local blood I would tell you ... to me there is no race more noble than the Pakistani race ... but the truth is that I do have authentic Arab and Persian heritage ... not necessarily something to be proud or ashamed of..

and believe me its not how your family has its Arab or Persian heritage.

And Chowk people please PUBLISH this .

I am sorry to barge in like this, but Musharraf is in New York staying at the Roosevelt hotel. While he is here it is time to send him a message.

I am prepared to organize a protest against the infamous, immoral, discriminatory, and unIslamic Blasphemy law of Pakistan. As it is Applied, it is nothing more than a political insturment used for the harrassment of minorities.

One Military dictator introduced it as law, another should get rid of it.

I urge all likeminded people who live in the N.Y area to join with me within the next 48 hours. I have already spoken up agianst the Blasphemy law in Dawn: Letters to the Editor in the past, now its time to take action.

Please e-mail me immediately to join a coordinated protest. The moment is ripe to send a msg, while the eyes of the press are focused on New York & the U.N Millenium summit. The more people that participate, the better. If necessary, i will do it alone. I will respond immediately to all e-mails received with details.

OMAR MIRZA

knotyourcupoftea@aol.com

Re: Urstruly # 43

Are you still irked at my response at the Pakistani IT hopes? :)

In two months I will be reminding your where your beloved Pakistani IT policy is presently mired in ! :)

Ciao!

RE: FerozK

No, I am genuinely interested in your well being and HOPE that everything gets better for you.

Quite a story Brown Sahib!