Radhika Chandar September 8, 2000
#60 Posted by rajanjua on September 10, 2000 7:07:51 pm
Re: Kabuliwallah
For the benefit of clarifying your puny little head:
In my different interacts over the last one year, I see a prevalant mentality of Indians to blame everything that`s wrong with them on the Muslim invaders of the past in general and Pakistan of today in particular. Its constantly talked about. Even in this article in which there`s no need for it. I think this mentality is in general that of the Indians as a nation. In the above article the excerpt is from a Govt. report, hence I said the Indian Govt. Since your bloody govt. is the representation of the largest democracy in the world, its fair to generalise to all of you-Did`nt you as a whole elect this moron Vajpayee and his sidekick Advani? Or was it a Pakistani conspiracy?. Did you get it or do you want me to write in Pashto for you, you khar-bachya. I`ll say again-get over this 1000 years subjugation/dark ages/slavery syndrome. If you term the era which gave you Taj Mahal as dark ages-there must be something wrong with you people. Now go eat your hajmola before you address me again.
For the benefit of clarifying your puny little head:
In my different interacts over the last one year, I see a prevalant mentality of Indians to blame everything that`s wrong with them on the Muslim invaders of the past in general and Pakistan of today in particular. Its constantly talked about. Even in this article in which there`s no need for it. I think this mentality is in general that of the Indians as a nation. In the above article the excerpt is from a Govt. report, hence I said the Indian Govt. Since your bloody govt. is the representation of the largest democracy in the world, its fair to generalise to all of you-Did`nt you as a whole elect this moron Vajpayee and his sidekick Advani? Or was it a Pakistani conspiracy?. Did you get it or do you want me to write in Pashto for you, you khar-bachya. I`ll say again-get over this 1000 years subjugation/dark ages/slavery syndrome. If you term the era which gave you Taj Mahal as dark ages-there must be something wrong with you people. Now go eat your hajmola before you address me again.
#59 Posted by RanaRansher on September 10, 2000 4:07:04 pm
re: Urstruly
``It is interesting to see that, when an article is published about India, how some Khatris start running scared.``
Just curious.... (a healthy curiosity, so chill.. :-)
What does the above mean (refer to, what the hell is going on ?)
...refresher courses, adult education ...wha ?? yeh sab kyaa ho raha hai ?
regards
``It is interesting to see that, when an article is published about India, how some Khatris start running scared.``
Just curious.... (a healthy curiosity, so chill.. :-)
What does the above mean (refer to, what the hell is going on ?)
...refresher courses, adult education ...wha ?? yeh sab kyaa ho raha hai ?
regards
#58 Posted by RanaRansher on September 10, 2000 4:02:50 pm
re: Urstruly
I still don`t know what you are talking about ? Help me out ....?!?
regards
I still don`t know what you are talking about ? Help me out ....?!?
regards
#57 Posted by bahmad on September 10, 2000 1:51:18 pm
Radhika Chandar`s article is a pointed and balanced critique of the ugly side of Indian society. By the way, all societies have an ugly side, while the shades of ugliness vary from one society to another. Women, like Radhika (my assessment based on this piece), are needed to pave the way for not only women`s empowerment but for the creation of a just (and thus less oppressive) society in India.
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
#56 Posted by tahmed321 on September 10, 2000 11:23:25 am
jay #42 The issue is the poor status of women and the criminal manner in which destitute women are often treated. The issue is not whether things are better in India or Pakistan for such women. The Indo-Pak conflict is a separate problem, and for the vast majority of (poverty-striken) people in both countries it is not relevant to the practical difficulties they face every day.
#55 Posted by jay on September 10, 2000 11:23:25 am
JUST ASKING,
The following is from nation of today, a set of demands by PML on behalf of women. It talks of `customary violence against women``. What the hell is that, now that all on this thread are libbers dating back to Ayan Rand, can any one post a response.
She demanded three months` timeframe for disposing of divorce (Khula) cases and said such cases are delayed unduly. She also urged the democratic forces to repeal the Hudood Ordinance and Law of Evidence, saying ``they are repugnant to women`s rights.`` ``All kinds of violence on women, including domestic and customary violence, should be categorically declared as crime, and stringent laws be enacted that no one can get away from acid-throwing, stove-burning, honour-killing and wife-bashing,`` she demanded.
The following is from nation of today, a set of demands by PML on behalf of women. It talks of `customary violence against women``. What the hell is that, now that all on this thread are libbers dating back to Ayan Rand, can any one post a response.
She demanded three months` timeframe for disposing of divorce (Khula) cases and said such cases are delayed unduly. She also urged the democratic forces to repeal the Hudood Ordinance and Law of Evidence, saying ``they are repugnant to women`s rights.`` ``All kinds of violence on women, including domestic and customary violence, should be categorically declared as crime, and stringent laws be enacted that no one can get away from acid-throwing, stove-burning, honour-killing and wife-bashing,`` she demanded.
#54 Posted by kabuliwallah on September 10, 2000 9:33:11 am
Hi Ms. Chandar,
Nice article...agree with you cent percent...but I liked the kabab article too, I don`t think it was serious, so chill...lemme try to give a solution, futile as it may be. I think if women get educated at least on the primary level and get to know of their voting rights, the situation can be improved. When I say voting, not how their fathers, husbands, brothers or sons tell them to, but what women think is best for them, their children (if and when they have them) and their future. If women participate actively and not passively in elections, then the candidates will be compelled to listen to their voices. If the candidates don`t, then they should be made to realise that without female support they will get no where. At present I think, the political parties take female support for granted, given the patriarchal nature of our society (its different in Kerala I think, where there is a matriarchal system if I`m not mistaken, but todays article in the Hindustan Times has shaken that stereotype). Women`s organizations (not the sleeveless, bourbon sipping, bridge playing variety that arrive fashionably late and speak with a fake accent) should meticulously and vocally create a political manifesto and present it to the various political groups....we have a Democracy...it`s time we made genuine use of it.
regards,
Kabuli
Nice article...agree with you cent percent...but I liked the kabab article too, I don`t think it was serious, so chill...lemme try to give a solution, futile as it may be. I think if women get educated at least on the primary level and get to know of their voting rights, the situation can be improved. When I say voting, not how their fathers, husbands, brothers or sons tell them to, but what women think is best for them, their children (if and when they have them) and their future. If women participate actively and not passively in elections, then the candidates will be compelled to listen to their voices. If the candidates don`t, then they should be made to realise that without female support they will get no where. At present I think, the political parties take female support for granted, given the patriarchal nature of our society (its different in Kerala I think, where there is a matriarchal system if I`m not mistaken, but todays article in the Hindustan Times has shaken that stereotype). Women`s organizations (not the sleeveless, bourbon sipping, bridge playing variety that arrive fashionably late and speak with a fake accent) should meticulously and vocally create a political manifesto and present it to the various political groups....we have a Democracy...it`s time we made genuine use of it.
regards,
Kabuli
#53 Posted by kabuliwallah on September 10, 2000 9:05:12 am
re: Rajanjua
``So let me see, all the problems women in India have started
in 8th century. What in the hell is wrong with you people?
When are going to get over this 1000 years subjugation
syndrome. All this self-pity is unhealthy.``
Where in there do you say the Indian Govt.? Be clear fool...don`t generalise
Commies say that women are subjugated because of Ram...BJPs say that its because of the Muslims...Congress says that subjugation of one community by the other in the past is good, it reflects the composite nature of India and thus it strengthens the secular fabric of India...everybody has an bloody axe to grind
``So let me see, all the problems women in India have started
in 8th century. What in the hell is wrong with you people?
When are going to get over this 1000 years subjugation
syndrome. All this self-pity is unhealthy.``
Where in there do you say the Indian Govt.? Be clear fool...don`t generalise
Commies say that women are subjugated because of Ram...BJPs say that its because of the Muslims...Congress says that subjugation of one community by the other in the past is good, it reflects the composite nature of India and thus it strengthens the secular fabric of India...everybody has an bloody axe to grind
#52 Posted by rajanjua on September 10, 2000 2:44:56 am
Re: Kabuliwallah
Forgot your daily dose of hajmola?
I read it. Nothing wrong with the article. Just that excerpt. Shows the mentality of the Indian Govt. They need to get over it. Should`nt go about finding root of every problem circa 712 AD.
Forgot your daily dose of hajmola?
I read it. Nothing wrong with the article. Just that excerpt. Shows the mentality of the Indian Govt. They need to get over it. Should`nt go about finding root of every problem circa 712 AD.
#50 Posted by kabuliwallah on September 9, 2000 10:05:47 pm
re:rajanjua # 44
You ass, go back and read the article again...Jesus
You ass, go back and read the article again...Jesus
#49 Posted by Urstruly on September 9, 2000 6:30:34 pm
RE: Ranaransher # 45
I have always found refresher courses extremely helpful and I also beleive in adult education. So?
I have always found refresher courses extremely helpful and I also beleive in adult education. So?
#48 Posted by Rose1222 on September 9, 2000 3:25:36 pm
Wow...excellent. I am speechless. Completely agree. You brought on points that I probably would not have seen. Good facts. Yet, what can we do about it? Any suggestions?
#47 Posted by nchiket on September 9, 2000 2:36:12 pm
reply: rchander # 28
what are reading of late ? ``liberalism for liberalism sake``, ``modernism for modernism sake``
``technology for technology`s sake``. india already has a whole gang with that ``rationality`` .
if you are in US please don`t come back. like i told you we already have too many.
nchiket
better throw off those coloured glasses.
what are reading of late ? ``liberalism for liberalism sake``, ``modernism for modernism sake``
``technology for technology`s sake``. india already has a whole gang with that ``rationality`` .
if you are in US please don`t come back. like i told you we already have too many.
nchiket
better throw off those coloured glasses.
#46 Posted by scout on September 9, 2000 2:36:12 pm
Zahra #40,
Well said
Urstruly #43,
I hear ya :) They`ll do anything to divert attention away from their faults to the faults of others.
Well said
Urstruly #43,
I hear ya :) They`ll do anything to divert attention away from their faults to the faults of others.
#45 Posted by RanaRansher on September 9, 2000 1:42:59 pm
re: Urstruly
Pray tell me what you are talking about ?
Do you know what Khatri is ?
jis baat ka pataa na howe us baat kaa boliyo mati.
Pray tell me what you are talking about ?
Do you know what Khatri is ?
jis baat ka pataa na howe us baat kaa boliyo mati.
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