Protest in New York!

Omar,
It is not enough just to shout and protest about injustices. You are a law student, where is you case (with facts, figures, and proof)?

urstruly has provided the text of blasphemy law in its entirely. Where is your analysis of this law?

................. it is rather presumptous for simple-minded folks like us to try and understand the Grand Design ..... this constant babble by placard carrying liberals who, on their way to Starbucks, linger to picket and boo our Amir-ul-Momineen and his trusted Vizier J.J., is irritating and bordering on blasphemy ............ consorting with Christians, Ahmedis and, Astaghfirullah, Hindus and other assorted Unbelievers is shameful, pitiful, and quite unbecoming of a Momin .......... to those who, under the influence of espresso, ecstasy or apple-pie, give way to these pagan liberal emotions, let me say that when in doubt one should seek guidance from the source of all wisdom :

[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

................ so please stop behaving like mid-town bohemians and let`s embrace the spirit that once made Islam great and Muslims proud .......

Umairr re: 78

I wonder what the reasons would be for the absence of Hindus in the army.

Is there a feeling amongst them that they would be persecuted in the army?

Would there be any substance to such a feeling?

Will this Hindu cadet be the equivalent of the first coloured and women cadets at

West Point, I wonder, and lead to higher numbers in the future.

Bilal re: 76

I was referring to the Pakistani posters on the Chowk (unless it was a case

of me seeing what I want to see!). The feeling seems to be that the Army

remains relatively free of religious biases, and is merit based with ones

religion not being an issue. Perhaps egalitarian was an incorrecnt choice of word?

This article and it`s replies somewhat proves that all men can do is talk gibberish, and put each other down in the name of argument or to prove their ``Godly`` wisdom or wit.

Besides Kabulliwallah and some others, I suggest all of you need to spend more time in the intellectual company of level headed females, before you become into full fledged morons.

Call your mothers.

scout

Re: The anonymous Urstruly’s comments

Lets get something very clear. I am nobody’s official spokesman. I follow the dictates of my own conscience, I am not a herd animal. I think for myself. Unfortunately, that makes me dangerous to people like Urstruly. Its conceited people like him, that sat down 1000 years ago, and decided that `the gates of Ijtehad should be closed` because no further human progress was likely and the principles that society had developed by then were perfect, and could never be improved upon, since no unforseen social changes were ever likely to occur in the future. The consequences of that are the intellectual stagnation we see in the Muslim world today all around us.

As I had predicted earlier in these posts, rather than deal with the issues in this article, these closet Jamaatis prefer to make me personally the issue of any discussion, rather than the issues I have raised. The reason is simple, these people have absolutely no answers to the uncomfortable kinds of questions I have raised. For this reason I don’t think my further participation in this discussion serves any useful purpose.

The Mullah line: We want to treat others in a way that we ourselves would not want to be treated if we were standing in their shoes. And we want them to know we are doing them a favor by ‘tolerating’ their presence in Islamic Pakistan.

My View: I will treat others no better or worse than I would demand to be treated myself in their shoes. The Blasphemy law & Separate Electorates are simply morally WRONG. The treatment of minorities and their status in society in Pakistan is Unconscionable. And the Quaid-E-Azam would agree. None of this is palatable to the likes of Urstruly.

OMAR MIRZA

P.S

HERE IS THE URL LINK TO SEE THE ARTICLE ON THE PAKISTANI PLAYERS WHO GOT A FREE HAIRCUT !

http://sidebar.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/central/07/19/taliban.soccer.ap/

An interesting narrative.

Although I do not agree with the steps taken by the writer, but being an individual he is very much entitled to flow with his own thoughts and ideas.

What motivated me to write was some of the interacts :-))) I am amused to read Scout`s analysis. The less I say the better it will
be :-))

Scout:

Buha`t Patae` Kee Advice Thee` Hae`. Well, you should start a formal consultancy practice. I am sure there will be quite a few who would like to be your disciples :-))

I loved the humor!

Take Care & Keep it up!!!

RE: OMAR1974

Thank you. That`s all I wanted to know.

RE: Zahra, Scout

I learnt a valuable lesson at this board i.e never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you up with experience.

(By the way I am the idiot here, in case you were wondering)

Assad_K: #83: I am not quite sure why there are hardly any Hindus in the Pakistan military. Since there aren`t that many, I am not quite sure how they would be treated, if there were quite a few. I don`t know why they don`t join. Perhaps it has something to do with the areas they come from. Very few people from rural Sind join the military. And I believe most of the Hindus live in rural Sind.

scout #84

............. i would like to remind scout that according to the great monotheistic tradition God is definitely a ``He`` ...... and even though the revisionist Christians have given ``Him`` a mother - for which they will certainly burn in hell - most ``real`` men, in addition to not eating quiche, do not call their mothers when settling spiritual or temporal matters ......after all, didn`t God crate us in ``His`` image ? ................ perhaps our great spiritual leader, Ameer-ul-Momineen Mullah Omar, saw the dangers inherent in the decadant western nonsense of equality for women when he decided to banish them to the inner sanctum where they can serve God and His reagent on earth - Man.....

Urstruly:

Don`t be so hard on yourself. We all have a personalized idiot living inside of us. :)

Zahra baji:

Shukriya, apnay humsay baat ki,

hum bikhar say gaye.

Very interesting news from today.

Jamiat Ulemae Islam (JUI) is one of the most influential religious party. One of its office bearer, I think Dr. Khalid Soomro is under arrest in a case of Blasphemy in Dadu Sind. JUI is making a huge hue and cry. (It only shows that it is a convenient tool in the hand of police to harass. But this is a good way of taking care of blasphemy law.)

himidm #82 you write ``consorting with Christians, Ahmedis and, Astaghfirullah, Hindus and other assorted Unbelievers is shameful, pitiful, and quite unbecoming of a Momin``

By participating in Chowk then, you are guilty of the ``shameful`` conduct your write about. I am sure this simply logic will not register with you though, nor are you capable of understanding what it means to be a Muslim (or even a decent human): People like you are the only kafirs on earth.

To the Christians, Ahmedis and Hindus who may have found the above post offensive, I can only say this: I am a sunni Muslim and a Pakistani and proud of being one. I can assure you what this man wrote speaks only of his way of thinking.

tahmed321 #89

Why do Sunni Muslims have such pathetic sense of humor? :)

hamidm #91:

``our great spiritual leader Ameer-ul-Momineen Mullah Omar, saw the dangers inherent in the decadant western nonsense of equality for women when he decided to banish them to the inner sanctum where they can serve God and His reagent on earth - Man.....``

May God bless our Ameer-ul-Momineen. Takbir!

urstruly #88:

You say: ``By the way I am the idiot here, in case you were wondering``

I concur:)

Take care.

hamidm #91,

Why do you have to bring religion into it, even if in a humorous sense?

RE: Hamidm

The problem with dark sarcasm is that most of the time it is only you who finds himself laughing.