John Joss September 15, 2000
#81 Posted by jay on September 27, 2000 11:13:34 am
origin of meaning,
The pedantic, the unimaginative treat the dictionary as the ultimate provider of word meaning. Dictionary is only approximate, gives the direction. Word is just a sound that mediates between percption and experience, that translate the amorphous inputs from the senses to a cogent experience. Meaning of a word is in experience. Then of course, it can be alluded to from the context, and a combination of other experiences.
Ask a mother what is pregnancy. For a man it is something like a heavy meal with a lot of beer, topped up by constipation and gastric gases.
Reification is the translation of abstract into real, it has to be deduced from the context, it is an abstraction of a process of abstraction, it is a meta abstraction.
Some one like temporal should try to understand the following quote, I remember it from early childhood, after k for king, but not interested in being a plagiarist, so let me give credit to say Sigmond Freud, `` Sky is blue; blue is not sky; sky is not blue. But we know sky is blue, IS IS THAT NOTHING BY WHICH EVERYTHING IS. IS SEPERATES AND AT THE SAME TIME JOINS SKY AND BLUE. Of course, read posts one to four on this thread.
The pedantic, the unimaginative treat the dictionary as the ultimate provider of word meaning. Dictionary is only approximate, gives the direction. Word is just a sound that mediates between percption and experience, that translate the amorphous inputs from the senses to a cogent experience. Meaning of a word is in experience. Then of course, it can be alluded to from the context, and a combination of other experiences.
Ask a mother what is pregnancy. For a man it is something like a heavy meal with a lot of beer, topped up by constipation and gastric gases.
Reification is the translation of abstract into real, it has to be deduced from the context, it is an abstraction of a process of abstraction, it is a meta abstraction.
Some one like temporal should try to understand the following quote, I remember it from early childhood, after k for king, but not interested in being a plagiarist, so let me give credit to say Sigmond Freud, `` Sky is blue; blue is not sky; sky is not blue. But we know sky is blue, IS IS THAT NOTHING BY WHICH EVERYTHING IS. IS SEPERATES AND AT THE SAME TIME JOINS SKY AND BLUE. Of course, read posts one to four on this thread.
#80 Posted by scout on September 26, 2000 12:54:43 pm
jay #78, `` Long live the scouts, lubnas, temporals, krashids and other faces in the
crowd.``
That`s the nicest thing you`ve ever said to any of us. I`m going to cry *sniff * Tissue please!
Huggie?
crowd.``
That`s the nicest thing you`ve ever said to any of us. I`m going to cry *sniff * Tissue please!
Huggie?
#79 Posted by temporal on September 26, 2000 10:53:44 am
jay thackeray #76:
As you key in your ordure or coprolite, please check the meanings of words like reification that you hurl without abandon. And please take the medicine orally. May your god/s have mercy on you!
---t
________________
re·i·fy
v tr. re·i·fied, re·i·fy·ing, re·i·fies.
To regard or treat (an abstraction) as if it had concrete or material existence.
or·dure (ôrjr)
n. Excrement; dung.
Something morally offensive; filth.
cop·ro·lite pr-lt)
n.
Fossilized excrement.
As you key in your ordure or coprolite, please check the meanings of words like reification that you hurl without abandon. And please take the medicine orally. May your god/s have mercy on you!
---t
________________
re·i·fy
v tr. re·i·fied, re·i·fy·ing, re·i·fies.
To regard or treat (an abstraction) as if it had concrete or material existence.
or·dure (ôrjr)
n. Excrement; dung.
Something morally offensive; filth.
cop·ro·lite pr-lt)
n.
Fossilized excrement.
#78 Posted by jay on September 26, 2000 9:50:18 am
WHY I LIKE CHOWK,
Chowk is a microcosm of the pak society, every aspect that is unique to pak society is here, right here, for every one to see.
Some one remarked, the real problem with the blasphemy laws is not the legal determinations, it is the lynch mob, that takes law and deliver justice. In this mob frenzy, the reality is long lost, it is us verses them.
A good example is the few recent posts. In posts one to four on this thread, some one accused the other of plagiarism while claiming an Oscar Wild sentence as his own . I pointed this on my post.
This became the case of a kafir accusing the fidel, the lynch mob assembled from no-where. Mind you, all were pakistanis, some providing moral support, others waiting on the ringside cheering. This is happening on an anonimous cyber space, only info is what is provided by the interactors, no independant verification, but the identity of being muslim was adequate to coalesce the lynch mob, kafir against fidel.
This where the effects of early learning comes in, k for kafir, and the sights of blasphemers lynched in the neighbourhoods. Education, stay in foreign lands, alien passports, makes no difference to the instinctive herding around childhood values. Long live the scouts, lubnas, temporals, krashids and other faces in the crowd.
Chowk is a microcosm of the pak society, every aspect that is unique to pak society is here, right here, for every one to see.
Some one remarked, the real problem with the blasphemy laws is not the legal determinations, it is the lynch mob, that takes law and deliver justice. In this mob frenzy, the reality is long lost, it is us verses them.
A good example is the few recent posts. In posts one to four on this thread, some one accused the other of plagiarism while claiming an Oscar Wild sentence as his own . I pointed this on my post.
This became the case of a kafir accusing the fidel, the lynch mob assembled from no-where. Mind you, all were pakistanis, some providing moral support, others waiting on the ringside cheering. This is happening on an anonimous cyber space, only info is what is provided by the interactors, no independant verification, but the identity of being muslim was adequate to coalesce the lynch mob, kafir against fidel.
This where the effects of early learning comes in, k for kafir, and the sights of blasphemers lynched in the neighbourhoods. Education, stay in foreign lands, alien passports, makes no difference to the instinctive herding around childhood values. Long live the scouts, lubnas, temporals, krashids and other faces in the crowd.
#77 Posted by jay on September 26, 2000 9:50:18 am
To lubna,
Your k for kermit education is letting you down. The thousands streaming accross to india, armed with AK47, youe CE declares as jihadists, on whome pakistan has no influence. Talk to our own chowk islam expert, Asif, he once remarked that how a kafir tries to preserve and seek life, a jihadist seeks death, his passport to heaven.
Just take it easy, walking with lotta to river Thems is not good enough to be a muslim, read the book. It talks about a lot more.
Jihad a war of ideas, that should blasphemy.
regards and best wishes.
Jay.
Your k for kermit education is letting you down. The thousands streaming accross to india, armed with AK47, youe CE declares as jihadists, on whome pakistan has no influence. Talk to our own chowk islam expert, Asif, he once remarked that how a kafir tries to preserve and seek life, a jihadist seeks death, his passport to heaven.
Just take it easy, walking with lotta to river Thems is not good enough to be a muslim, read the book. It talks about a lot more.
Jihad a war of ideas, that should blasphemy.
regards and best wishes.
Jay.
#76 Posted by jay on September 26, 2000 9:50:18 am
REIFICATION,
Reification is bringing to reality, something concepyual, something abstract. Some religions consider this an arduous process, some societies introduce procedures, some times convoluted procedures so that reification is difficult.
For example, divorce, it is an abstract idea, a lot of issues regarding the very structure of the basic building blocks of human society is involved. In most societies, divoce has some complicated processes. In some societies divorce is as simple as saying the `tala`k` three times.
In these reifying societies, name calling and branding flourish. Kafir, a mere word defines the entire person, entire legal structures are built on how to deal with the kafirs, k for kafir is the learning process.
A mere speach defines a person as secularist , humane democrat, TNT proponent of a life time is reified to a secularist.
One can see the process in the name calling by the pakistanis on the chowk, they are reifying, a belief imbibed in early childhood.
Reification is bringing to reality, something concepyual, something abstract. Some religions consider this an arduous process, some societies introduce procedures, some times convoluted procedures so that reification is difficult.
For example, divorce, it is an abstract idea, a lot of issues regarding the very structure of the basic building blocks of human society is involved. In most societies, divoce has some complicated processes. In some societies divorce is as simple as saying the `tala`k` three times.
In these reifying societies, name calling and branding flourish. Kafir, a mere word defines the entire person, entire legal structures are built on how to deal with the kafirs, k for kafir is the learning process.
A mere speach defines a person as secularist , humane democrat, TNT proponent of a life time is reified to a secularist.
One can see the process in the name calling by the pakistanis on the chowk, they are reifying, a belief imbibed in early childhood.
#75 Posted by lubna on September 26, 2000 1:46:48 am
Jay, Jay, Jay... (sigh)
The mental anguish you put yourself through... and this is after reading our English press only. Imagine how much more distressing life would have been for you had you, God forbid, been able to read Urdu.
I admire your perseverance and stamina in the face of so many obstacles in your way (the chillis in your eyes for one). You’re so dedicated to your cause – just like a Jehadi.
``...Borne in the gutter seeks the gutter, every where, in pakistan, canada, even in kerala...``
Does this explain why you seek to read about Indian destruction in Pakistani papers?
And pray do tell us what sweet nothings were you whispering to console your heart in that moment of intense stress near the end of post #69?
Best wishes and good luck in your Jehad to enlighten poor ignorant Pakistanis like us.
-Lubna
The mental anguish you put yourself through... and this is after reading our English press only. Imagine how much more distressing life would have been for you had you, God forbid, been able to read Urdu.
I admire your perseverance and stamina in the face of so many obstacles in your way (the chillis in your eyes for one). You’re so dedicated to your cause – just like a Jehadi.
``...Borne in the gutter seeks the gutter, every where, in pakistan, canada, even in kerala...``
Does this explain why you seek to read about Indian destruction in Pakistani papers?
And pray do tell us what sweet nothings were you whispering to console your heart in that moment of intense stress near the end of post #69?
Best wishes and good luck in your Jehad to enlighten poor ignorant Pakistanis like us.
-Lubna
#74 Posted by scout on September 25, 2000 7:36:29 pm
Urstruly #73,
No, I don`t know what you mean. If you have the time or energy to, please explain. If not, it`s quite alright. I will live without that piece of information.
No, I don`t know what you mean. If you have the time or energy to, please explain. If not, it`s quite alright. I will live without that piece of information.
#73 Posted by Urstruly on September 25, 2000 3:57:56 pm
RE: Scout #72
I was just trying to be more loyal than the king-if you know what I mean
I was just trying to be more loyal than the king-if you know what I mean
#72 Posted by scout on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
urstruly #70,
Isn`t it sUdharna instead of sIdharna?
ab meri urdu itni bhi kharab nahi kay mujhe sUdharna ka matlab nahi pata. :)
Isn`t it sUdharna instead of sIdharna?
ab meri urdu itni bhi kharab nahi kay mujhe sUdharna ka matlab nahi pata. :)
#71 Posted by temporal on September 25, 2000 11:20:43 am
jay thackeray #69
REGRESSION AND LANGUAGE
(.. and more)
You forgot to take your medicine orally again?
---t
REGRESSION AND LANGUAGE
(.. and more)
You forgot to take your medicine orally again?
---t
#70 Posted by Urstruly on September 25, 2000 7:55:22 am
Scout # 66
``Sidhar`` is from the word ``sidharna`` like in ``halat sidharna`` translation: to make something better than before.
``Sidhar`` is from the word ``sidharna`` like in ``halat sidharna`` translation: to make something better than before.
#69 Posted by jay on September 25, 2000 4:23:11 am
REGRESSION AND LANGUAGE,
In the aging process it is observed that the languages last learned are first forgotten. The same is true in the case of people under extreme stress, the sofistication of languages later learned are forgotten and people are found to regress into their mother tongues. As the term implies, it is like the wisphering of mother, soothing and consoling and to the heart. On this thread who cannot take the intensity have regressed into urdu, lubna`s wispherings in urdu I hope will be the healing touch to the tormented and exposed ego of those to whome it is directed at. Thank you. ( read posts one to four on this thread and you will know the banana peel)
To me urdu is only a bast///ard..ised version of hindi in backward going script, true to the direction their country is going. Kalla nayinte makkal. Hope none of you understand, I am regressing.
In the aging process it is observed that the languages last learned are first forgotten. The same is true in the case of people under extreme stress, the sofistication of languages later learned are forgotten and people are found to regress into their mother tongues. As the term implies, it is like the wisphering of mother, soothing and consoling and to the heart. On this thread who cannot take the intensity have regressed into urdu, lubna`s wispherings in urdu I hope will be the healing touch to the tormented and exposed ego of those to whome it is directed at. Thank you. ( read posts one to four on this thread and you will know the banana peel)
To me urdu is only a bast///ard..ised version of hindi in backward going script, true to the direction their country is going. Kalla nayinte makkal. Hope none of you understand, I am regressing.
#68 Posted by jay on September 25, 2000 4:14:27 am
LEONARDO FIBONACCI ON 3NT,
Fibonacci was a great italian mathematician of 12th century, who strived to find mathematical patterns in nature. The series 1,2,3,5,8,13...is named after him and is the underlying pattern in branching of trees, bacterial growth and some of the computer search functions involving very large numbers.
In pakistan the three nation theory (3NT) is in its infancy, Atlaf hussain has identified one group against TNT principles. Then there is the secular group who hangs from one speach peg. Then of course the jihadists of the kilafaet variety.
There was one (1) united india, the the TNT (2) and now, according to febonacci it is the turn of three nation theory(3).
Now at a geograophical level, let us ask febonacci, there was one india, 2, pakistan and india, 3, pakistan ,india and bangladesh, and the next is 5, that is pakistan divided into three, with india and bangladesh.
These italians must be bright, who else could have taken the chinese noodle, called it pasta and exported to the chinese.
Fibonacci was a great italian mathematician of 12th century, who strived to find mathematical patterns in nature. The series 1,2,3,5,8,13...is named after him and is the underlying pattern in branching of trees, bacterial growth and some of the computer search functions involving very large numbers.
In pakistan the three nation theory (3NT) is in its infancy, Atlaf hussain has identified one group against TNT principles. Then there is the secular group who hangs from one speach peg. Then of course the jihadists of the kilafaet variety.
There was one (1) united india, the the TNT (2) and now, according to febonacci it is the turn of three nation theory(3).
Now at a geograophical level, let us ask febonacci, there was one india, 2, pakistan and india, 3, pakistan ,india and bangladesh, and the next is 5, that is pakistan divided into three, with india and bangladesh.
These italians must be bright, who else could have taken the chinese noodle, called it pasta and exported to the chinese.
#67 Posted by jay on September 25, 2000 3:56:36 am
To lubna,
At last for once I can see one pakistani annoyed by my constant reference to pakistan. What you think of the indians who has to hear it from the highest level and the lowest in pakistan, `` oh we had to have the bomb because of india, we wont sign CTBT because... we cannot have peace because and at the lowest level on chowk, becuse of people like jay we have jihadists... it is because of him i am exhausted.....``. Read your own pak news papers.. why death in india is front page on internet editions...just experiencing a dose of what one feels at the otherside of the fence...
My post 52 is my limit of insult I can heap on any one, and some one cannot understand it and has gone lyrical...or is it my wish for a gift of imagination working..
regards and best wishes.
jay
At last for once I can see one pakistani annoyed by my constant reference to pakistan. What you think of the indians who has to hear it from the highest level and the lowest in pakistan, `` oh we had to have the bomb because of india, we wont sign CTBT because... we cannot have peace because and at the lowest level on chowk, becuse of people like jay we have jihadists... it is because of him i am exhausted.....``. Read your own pak news papers.. why death in india is front page on internet editions...just experiencing a dose of what one feels at the otherside of the fence...
My post 52 is my limit of insult I can heap on any one, and some one cannot understand it and has gone lyrical...or is it my wish for a gift of imagination working..
regards and best wishes.
jay
#66 Posted by scout on September 25, 2000 12:39:20 am
Urstruly,
What does ``sidhar`` mean?
Lubna,
Good post.
What does ``sidhar`` mean?
Lubna,
Good post.
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