Why Most DOT.COMS Will Fail

rsridhar #172 ``Is the threat from India real or something that the military establishment have drummed up to justify all the military spendings.``

I think a bit of both. As in any bureaucracy, the path forward for any ambitious manager (or general, in case of the military) is through obtaining control over more resources and a broader mandate. No inter-state tensions, no military budgets. Applies to the Pakistan military as it does to the Indian or any other military.

On the other hand, the recent Indian military exercise on the Pakistan borders, the exploding of nuclear bombs close to the Pakistan border followed by threats to Pakistanis to understand the new situation, cannot be ignored.

All those desiring peace and progress in South Asia will welcome the recent offer of talks from Vajpayee to Musharraf. This does not, however, change the likely fact that it was triggered by the recent high profile visit to Pakistan of the Chinese prime minister and other signs of Pakistan and China warming up to one another. Regardless of the causes and which government has the moral high or low ground, any sane person with an IQ over 50 would welcome this move.

Jay #

Don`t cry too much. It is bad for health.

Also save it for future.

Greetings John & Chowk folk out there... yesterday, I bought the book, ``Sunnyvale: The Rise and Fall of a Silicon Valley Family`` by Jeff Goodell. Looking forward to reading it to get an insight into how people`s lives changed here in Silicon Valley with the invasion of the High Tech industry and a zillion & one DOt.COMs. I own 3 dot.coms myself, but have not been able to get 2 e-commerce ones off the ground yet - too much competition, too much effort to spend, too little time, and too unstable a net result. What say you, eh?

=zensufi=

TIME TO CRY,

krashid,

There are times one should cry for ones country. I never posts acts of individual crime in pakistan, like what temporal was doing about india, but there are cries that sums up the society, there are govt responses that sum up the society, and at times tears help. From dawn of today,

Ladies` parks

WOMEN are about half of our population but it is strange that while constructing new housing colonies by the government or private housing societies, no separate ladies` parks are being builtwhere they could relax in the evening without fear of male intrusion.

Allama Iqbal Town, for example, has no `purdah bagh` for women.Gulshan-i-Iqbal has already become a notorious centre for ruffians and professional eve-teasers who do not allow women to enjoy the beauty of the park with any degree of equanimity.

I suggest that no the pattern of the one set up in Samanabad, a separate walled ladies` park be built in Iqbal Town, and in Gulshan-i-Iqbal, one or two days should be reserved for women.

MAZHAR ALI ADEEB

Lahore

// the monstrocity of TNT creation, a nation that is created by hatred has to continously create ones to hate, half the population, women is a good bet. krashid, leave me alone, hate the pakistanis who are creating your homeland, in case you dont like what you read. If you like it, go and join the revelers at the park.

Ardeshir Cowasjee`s article on Jinnah 7 years ago.

btw... JAY please for god sakes leave us alone... why are Indians like you so obsessed with Pakistan????

`On His 118th Birthday`

- Ardeshir Cowasjee

I greet you, Mr Jinnah, as we near your 118th birthday. I, and many others, thank you for having

ordained that the anniversary of your birth coincide with that of the Second in Trinity, so that

Christmas Day will be a holiday in our country for as long as your name is revered. Seven years ago

in this newspaper. on August 14. 1987, I wrote in your name: You have collectively and dissolutely

pakdanced all along the Way down the year,¡Xone step forward, whirl, sidestep, swirl, two step

backward, twirl, twist, turn four steps backwad.

``Neither surprised. nor confounded¡Xcertainly not shocked` am I. Long ago I fathomed your genious

(with hindsight, I now realise how exceedingly well). Therefore, all those years ago, I deviated from

my initial adherence and set myself the task of carving out a nation for you, a territory in which you

could survive, for you to tend, a country your successors would proudly be able to call their

fatherland. Given the circumstanes, and tbe short time I had left to me, I did the best possible.

``It was not easy, negotiating with the tiresome British, dealing with the wily Mahatma, his discordant

Mahadevs, and the ironclad Sardar. It was rough going. It was not until August 7th, 1947, after

taking off from Delhi for Karachi and settling down in the Dakota, that with great satisfaction I was

able to mutter to my young ADC, Ahsan `Well, that`s that`.

``It will serve no purpose for me to now enumerate for you the multitude of your follies, shortcomings

and losses. The Master Reteree exonerated me many years ago, and I now rest content upon my

laurels. But you, on your part, could at least have made the effort to do better, rather than blindly

blunder along and merely survive.

Since you have made it beholden upon yourselves to remember me my wish is that you remember

me as I was. I do not want to be the object of hagiography I do not want to be remembered as is

momentarily convenient or politic. I want to be remembered as the normal human being I was. with

faults, foibles and failings. Yes, I took upon mysell a mission which by fortune and fate I was able to

accomplish. Having accomplished it, I died, highly apprehensive of the honesty, integrity, and

capability of those I was leaving behind to care for my cre.

``Why is it that I am so often misquoted and misunderstood? Let me be clear. I conceived and

created a nation-state, with the steadfast unwavering intention that it should be forward-looking,

democratic, and secular. Bigotry, theocracy, intolerance, hatted played no role in my ideology. Three

days before the outset, before the start of the countdowns I unequivocally declared in my speech to

your first constituent assembly: `You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go

to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any

religion or caste or creed¡Xthat has nothing to do with the business of the State`.

``These words, spoken On August 11th 1947, embody my faith, my creed and my testament to my

countrymen. Whether you like it or not, whether it suits you or not whether it all be too liberal,

humanitarian hill, tolerant and progressive for your warped minds to grasp, this is the ideology I had

planned for my country.``

To bring you up to date, Mr Jinnah. The remaining half of the country you made is now inhabited by

some 123 million mainly uneducated souls, multiplying like rabbits. They, in their illiterate state, by

ticking various symbols have elected in a free and fair election the latest of your disastrous

governments. We are now led by an awesome (or awful, depending upon how you look at it)

husband and wife twin-act. Our de jure prime minister is the wife, Benazir, for the second time

around. De facto prime minister is the husband, Asif. also for the second time around. As is the

custom in the Islamic world, husband must dominate wife in all ways, thinking included.

Those they have chosen to rule by their sides. or rather, under them, are a motley lot bereft of brain,

bone, and shame. To them, to a man, to heal- is to obey. Under their tull control and at their mercy

they have the judiciary, the bureaucracy, finance foreign investment, energy, power generation,

communications, defence, education, health, population planning, the environment¡Xyou name it.

As has been said so many times, what makes the mare go is pelf in tandem with power. But even in

pay-offs today there is `no foal, no fee` is 110 honesty. The principle of `no foal, no fee` is either

unknown. or if known, blithely disregarded.

Your profession, the law is in a shambles. The men who practise it are demoralised divided. The

judiciary is on a leash with many judges hand-picked on probation, or just plain scared.

Indpendence to them is but a dream. The dignity of our courts, as you will agree, should not be

dependent, as it is, upon the law of contempt. It should, as you would have hoped, be based on

more solid foundations. We also know that judges must be above suspicion, as white as driven

snow. This does not now hold true with us. Sitting on one high court bench we have a judge who is

out on bail on a murder charge.

As I write this, I am still recovering from the news about the appointment of new law minister.

Benazir`s original one this time around, Groovy Haider, has just been sacked. He was as honest, as

corrupt, and as supine as the rest of them, but he obviously failed tc hear the voice of the emperor

`Roma locuta est; causa finita est`. The new man, Nabi Dad Khan, is a lecturer who calls himself a

professor. Perhaps he is unable to dif ferntiate hetween the two. He is an advocate of mediocrity, no

hot-shot lawyer he. But then, what has any hot-shot lawer law minister ever done for your country?

This minister is unlikely to make any law or take earth-shaking decisions. What he is likely to do is to

give t he Press a field day when he rises to utter in the Assembly.

One most perturbing and distres sing factor of life these days, in what you quite simply and cleanly

named ``Pakistan``, is the habit of land-grabbing From head honcho downwards, to the most lowly

man in a position to do so, they all grab for themselves land that rightly belongs to the nation, its

redidual worth. So much in a hurry is each man or woman in power to grab as, grab he or she can,

that now land that is under water even at low tide planned to be reclaimed for the people, is being

taken. This greed has unbelievably also extended to land belonging to the University of Karachi, that

once fine institution. We would have expected that a university-educated head of government would

have put her foot down on this. But no.

Our anthropologist professor, Akbar Ahmed, is planning a film on your life. We await this with much

trepidation as we all know that the life portrayed on celluloid will be a know that the life portrayed

on celluloid will be a far cry from the life that was lived. He has full `government support``. The

commercially minded, amongst those sponsoring the adventure, should endeavour to put the real

Jinnah on the screen. The government of the day would then ban the film, making it a riproaring

success.

Your mazar, architecturally hideous as it is, is a focal point for all successful, and I stress the word

`successful`, politicians, sportsmen, artists, and so forth. The minute a man wins an election, or a

match, or a medal, he is to be found in Karachi, at your grave, grabbing with piously folded hands a

photo opportunity. You had the entire triumphant hockey team the other day. Had they lost the

World Cup they would not have been seen anywhere near your tomb.

The barren spaces around your resting place have luckily and by some stroke of fortune been saved

from land-grabbers (not that they did not try). The people of Karachi have now taken it upon

themselves to plant trees for you. `Treemazar` is at work and one day soon, the entire area will be

wooded.

This last is the only good news I can give. I refrain from listing today the woes of the city of your

birth, which the government is incapable of governing. Fortunately, you remain beyond `their` evil and

destructive reach.

Jay #90

Altaf Hussain Mere Mohallah Ka Larka Hai. Tu Mujhe Kia Bataye Ga Us Ke Bara Me.

And on Dr. Mehdi Hasan you are right. In Pakistan people can express different opinion.

One liner can be produced in India only.

One more for 3NT, from nation of today,

Unpatriotic

On September 26, I just happened to read a news item regarding Mr Mehdi Hassan in an Urdu daily. He was talking to an Indian channel after participating in a programme in Jaipur (the capital of Indian state Rajhistan) and the statement that he issued was so disgusting that it would make every patriotic Pakistani flinch and protest. He said that ``we know that India and Pakistan are one and will remain so. It is not good to be separate. There are some forces in both the countries which don`t want it to be so, but the artistes are trying to make both the countries one, as they are originally one``.

Now what is he trying to prove by issuing such unpatriotic statements? He must remember that this is the country which gave him name and fame. He is internationally known as a Pakistani. If he is not satisfied with the present situation then he has no right to be known as a Pakistani. I request the government to ban his entry on PTV, rather in Pakistan itself. -ASMA, Lahore, via e-mail, September 26.

krashid,

How you always miss the central argument. Greatness of a person is what he has left behind, not what a whiteman tells of him. What is the legacy of Jinnah, 140 million people in a pariah status, fleeing the Jinnah creation, a country reeking with hatred for women, kafirs; a country going backward. If Jinnah was great, he would have inculcated his values in his followers, who could have at least gave some direction, the jinnahisque direction to the country. Other than islam, and TNT, there is no other jinnaisque value left in pakistan.

Think of the 3NT, Atlaf hussain is one leader, Mullah Omar is the other, why cant you be the third, the jinnahisque leader, to divide the country into three. Just an idea.

Jay the pathetic!

You will find many examples of Yahya type.

You have to find time from hate and read your brilliant five thousand year history.

Also if you know Milosevic has also acieved all three and your country is in line to achieve all three (it has yet done two. Sorry you are too slow)

GREAT PAKISTANIS,

The other day I came across a man in NY with a poster, Yahya Khan is great, I asked him why he is great, and he gave me a book with the following line highlited, `` Only a few have changed the world map, only a very few generals surrendered 100,000 troops, only one other has supervised a holocaust: and Yahya has achieved all the three``. From the sole general by Daniel Wolpert.

I continued, `OK he has achieved three things, which in themselves are so so...``

Well he replied, ` that is the rule in pakistan, if a white man points out three thngs that is enough for a pakistani to be great. Have you heard of Jinnah``.

I dont remember his name, some torrid, lurid,...amed, ..krashid.... something.

krashid #86:

haha! good one! thank you...

Jay!

Learn to speak humour, then try to be humanistic.

Only then you will be able to differentiate between a humour and ``Phukkar Pan``.

At this stage you are far away from both.

krashid,

It is heartening to see a jihadist supporting the un-muslimisation of ahmadias should express a sense of humour, nice to know that the flame of humour is not fully extinguished by the tempest of jihad in pakistan.

krashid: who is this Bajrang?

To scout,

It is a great virtue, the ability to notice the good, and ignore the bad. Most have the inverse skills. Or better still, ignore both. Be

dis-interested: not interested and not uninterested. Watch out for temporal, with his meanings, a know it all chowk police.

regards

Jay.

Jay!

I also agree with you that meaning is important as you give an enlightened example of pregnancy.

So to give a correct impression to you, can I call you Advani Thackeray Bajrang Dali.

origin of meaning,

The pedantic, the unimaginative treat the dictionary as the ultimate provider of word meaning. Dictionary is only approximate, gives the direction. Word is just a sound that mediates between percption and experience, that translate the amorphous inputs from the senses to a cogent experience. Meaning of a word is in experience. Then of course, it can be alluded to from the context, and a combination of other experiences.

Ask a mother what is pregnancy. For a man it is something like a heavy meal with a lot of beer, topped up by constipation and gastric gases.

Reification is the translation of abstract into real, it has to be deduced from the context, it is an abstraction of a process of abstraction, it is a meta abstraction.

Some one like temporal should try to understand the following quote, I remember it from early childhood, after k for king, but not interested in being a plagiarist, so let me give credit to say Sigmond Freud, `` Sky is blue; blue is not sky; sky is not blue. But we know sky is blue, IS IS THAT NOTHING BY WHICH EVERYTHING IS. IS SEPERATES AND AT THE SAME TIME JOINS SKY AND BLUE. Of course, read posts one to four on this thread.

jay #78, `` Long live the scouts, lubnas, temporals, krashids and other faces in the

crowd.``

That`s the nicest thing you`ve ever said to any of us. I`m going to cry *sniff * Tissue please!

Huggie?

jay thackeray #76:

As you key in your ordure or coprolite, please check the meanings of words like reification that you hurl without abandon. And please take the medicine orally. May your god/s have mercy on you!

---t

________________

re·i·fy
v tr. re·i·fied, re·i·fy·ing, re·i·fies.
To regard or treat (an abstraction) as if it had concrete or material existence.

or·dure (ôrjr)
n. Excrement; dung.
Something morally offensive; filth.

cop·ro·lite pr-lt)
n.
Fossilized excrement.

WHY I LIKE CHOWK,

Chowk is a microcosm of the pak society, every aspect that is unique to pak society is here, right here, for every one to see.

Some one remarked, the real problem with the blasphemy laws is not the legal determinations, it is the lynch mob, that takes law and deliver justice. In this mob frenzy, the reality is long lost, it is us verses them.

A good example is the few recent posts. In posts one to four on this thread, some one accused the other of plagiarism while claiming an Oscar Wild sentence as his own . I pointed this on my post.

This became the case of a kafir accusing the fidel, the lynch mob assembled from no-where. Mind you, all were pakistanis, some providing moral support, others waiting on the ringside cheering. This is happening on an anonimous cyber space, only info is what is provided by the interactors, no independant verification, but the identity of being muslim was adequate to coalesce the lynch mob, kafir against fidel.

This where the effects of early learning comes in, k for kafir, and the sights of blasphemers lynched in the neighbourhoods. Education, stay in foreign lands, alien passports, makes no difference to the instinctive herding around childhood values. Long live the scouts, lubnas, temporals, krashids and other faces in the crowd.

To lubna,

Your k for kermit education is letting you down. The thousands streaming accross to india, armed with AK47, youe CE declares as jihadists, on whome pakistan has no influence. Talk to our own chowk islam expert, Asif, he once remarked that how a kafir tries to preserve and seek life, a jihadist seeks death, his passport to heaven.

Just take it easy, walking with lotta to river Thems is not good enough to be a muslim, read the book. It talks about a lot more.

Jihad a war of ideas, that should blasphemy.

regards and best wishes.

Jay.

REIFICATION,

Reification is bringing to reality, something concepyual, something abstract. Some religions consider this an arduous process, some societies introduce procedures, some times convoluted procedures so that reification is difficult.

For example, divorce, it is an abstract idea, a lot of issues regarding the very structure of the basic building blocks of human society is involved. In most societies, divoce has some complicated processes. In some societies divorce is as simple as saying the `tala`k` three times.

In these reifying societies, name calling and branding flourish. Kafir, a mere word defines the entire person, entire legal structures are built on how to deal with the kafirs, k for kafir is the learning process.

A mere speach defines a person as secularist , humane democrat, TNT proponent of a life time is reified to a secularist.

One can see the process in the name calling by the pakistanis on the chowk, they are reifying, a belief imbibed in early childhood.

Jay, Jay, Jay... (sigh)

The mental anguish you put yourself through... and this is after reading our English press only. Imagine how much more distressing life would have been for you had you, God forbid, been able to read Urdu.

I admire your perseverance and stamina in the face of so many obstacles in your way (the chillis in your eyes for one). You’re so dedicated to your cause – just like a Jehadi.

``...Borne in the gutter seeks the gutter, every where, in pakistan, canada, even in kerala...``

Does this explain why you seek to read about Indian destruction in Pakistani papers?

And pray do tell us what sweet nothings were you whispering to console your heart in that moment of intense stress near the end of post #69?

Best wishes and good luck in your Jehad to enlighten poor ignorant Pakistanis like us.

-Lubna

Urstruly #73,

No, I don`t know what you mean. If you have the time or energy to, please explain. If not, it`s quite alright. I will live without that piece of information.

RE: Scout #72

I was just trying to be more loyal than the king-if you know what I mean

urstruly #70,

Isn`t it sUdharna instead of sIdharna?

ab meri urdu itni bhi kharab nahi kay mujhe sUdharna ka matlab nahi pata. :)

jay thackeray #69


REGRESSION AND LANGUAGE

(.. and more)


You forgot to take your medicine orally again?


---t

Scout # 66

``Sidhar`` is from the word ``sidharna`` like in ``halat sidharna`` translation: to make something better than before.

REGRESSION AND LANGUAGE,

In the aging process it is observed that the languages last learned are first forgotten. The same is true in the case of people under extreme stress, the sofistication of languages later learned are forgotten and people are found to regress into their mother tongues. As the term implies, it is like the wisphering of mother, soothing and consoling and to the heart. On this thread who cannot take the intensity have regressed into urdu, lubna`s wispherings in urdu I hope will be the healing touch to the tormented and exposed ego of those to whome it is directed at. Thank you. ( read posts one to four on this thread and you will know the banana peel)

To me urdu is only a bast///ard..ised version of hindi in backward going script, true to the direction their country is going. Kalla nayinte makkal. Hope none of you understand, I am regressing.

LEONARDO FIBONACCI ON 3NT,

Fibonacci was a great italian mathematician of 12th century, who strived to find mathematical patterns in nature. The series 1,2,3,5,8,13...is named after him and is the underlying pattern in branching of trees, bacterial growth and some of the computer search functions involving very large numbers.

In pakistan the three nation theory (3NT) is in its infancy, Atlaf hussain has identified one group against TNT principles. Then there is the secular group who hangs from one speach peg. Then of course the jihadists of the kilafaet variety.

There was one (1) united india, the the TNT (2) and now, according to febonacci it is the turn of three nation theory(3).

Now at a geograophical level, let us ask febonacci, there was one india, 2, pakistan and india, 3, pakistan ,india and bangladesh, and the next is 5, that is pakistan divided into three, with india and bangladesh.

These italians must be bright, who else could have taken the chinese noodle, called it pasta and exported to the chinese.

To lubna,

At last for once I can see one pakistani annoyed by my constant reference to pakistan. What you think of the indians who has to hear it from the highest level and the lowest in pakistan, `` oh we had to have the bomb because of india, we wont sign CTBT because... we cannot have peace because and at the lowest level on chowk, becuse of people like jay we have jihadists... it is because of him i am exhausted.....``. Read your own pak news papers.. why death in india is front page on internet editions...just experiencing a dose of what one feels at the otherside of the fence...

My post 52 is my limit of insult I can heap on any one, and some one cannot understand it and has gone lyrical...or is it my wish for a gift of imagination working..

regards and best wishes.

jay

Urstruly,

What does ``sidhar`` mean?

Lubna,

Good post.

It is interesting that the title of article Why dot.com must fail after few posts turned into something else.

Or does it imply that dot.com must fail because of people like Jay Thakeray or due to it.

I don`t think it is a logical conclusion.

T--. your beautiful poem is injustice to Jay. I think he needs worse than this. Alas I am no poet.

RE: Miss Fit

We are not very bright, ain`t we?

temporal, nice poetry concerning Jay. Protected by the anonymity of the internet, and the understandable laissez-faire approach of Chowk moderators, this man uses the opportunity to push a single-minded agenda: to heap insults on Pakistanis. You cannot reason or discuss anything with such people, and they are impervious to ridicule. Let us keep the agenda on chowk to something more interesting and fruitful.

Jay #53:

Which variety am I? The k for Kermit (the frog) variety. Don`t worry - the ``eyes`` of my mind are open. You`re the one who seems to have been blinded (I`m hoping temporarily) by the chilli. Your posts are a clear evidence of this - warped logic. Reading Pakistani newspapers in this distressed state of mind can be extremely hazardous to overall mental health by the way. Quit reading them - enough damage has been done already. And we love you too much to allow you to pursue this self-destructive streak. Honey, not even people in Pakistan read the newspaper with as much religious zeal as you do. Take it easy - it really is okay - the world won`t come to an end if you don`t receive any good news from Pakistan. SO WHAT if we were slow at reporting Musharaff`s place of birth! It doesn`t really matter to us where Mushy was born. SO WHAT if we didn`t report about the temples! Bhai, hum maantein hain hum dheet aur nalaiq qaum hai! Otherwise we wouldn`t be in the state we`re in at the moment. So what are you gonna do about this now? Slip on a banana peel to keep us entertained and our antennas focused in your direction so that you can absorb all that positive energy emanating from us, allowing you to fill up the vacuum inside created by your obsession with Pakistan, and leave us feeling drained of energy? (hmmm... might be doing this already)

I still think your attacks on t are unwarranted. I went back and re-read all the posts. Still don`t understand who slipped where. I think excessive Pakistani journalism has been feeding your imagination too much. Please stop before it`s too late - we`ll miss you too much.

``I do search for some good news from pakistan, tell me where I can find one.``

How about your own newspapers in India?

Urstruly #56/57:

I`ll be kind and will choose to ignore the post and any implied meanings and accept your apologies. You should be thanking your lucky stars my ``mind`s eyes`` had been briefly blinded by Jay`s chillis and I didn`t understand anything you might have meant... (was that a typo or was it some urdu word? forgive me, urdu vocab ltd - oh, you don`t have to answer)

t #58:

Amen.

-Lubna

Urstruly:

Regarding this: (you took up all of our space for an absolutely un-important message. Don`t do it again- OK :) )

The world does not revolve around what you think good use of space is. My use of space for that message was better than your use of space on faltu chitchat that won`t lead to any progress for Pakistanis.

I have already apologized for using the space to the people who don`t care. And I will do it again if need be.

Temporal and Jay

Tum dono ke aapsi pyaar aur shararat bhari chedkhaniyon(teasing) ko dekhkar to lagta hi nahin ki Indians aur Pakistanis mein itna bair hai. Ho sakta hai pichle janam mein tum dono judwaa.... Khair tumhari poem achchi lagi temporal. Ab tum dono aapas mein sulah kar lo. Bhai Jay hum sab jaante hain ki problems dono ke desh mein hai. Tumhe nahin lagta ki bajay ek doosre ko neecha dikhane ke apnaa apnaa kaam karne mein jyada bhalai hai. And Temporal, sabko apne vichaar vyakt(express) karne ki aazadi hai yahan, to Jay ko aisa karne se kyon rokte ho. Par is tarah ki achchi kavitayen likhte raho. We appreciate it.

Cheers

RE: temporal# 58

You are a devil, sir :)

``Khuda karay zor-e-bayan aur zayada``

jay thackeray# 52:

My earnest prayers to your respected and holy deity:

O Noble One

Let fall from the skies
over the head of
certain jay thackeray
some sense.

Even little
would be appreciated
with force
divine or gravitional
that`ll pierce
his thick skull
and thicker sensibilities.

---but do not turn him
please,
into a rat
for among other phobias
he has claustro--- as well

for I,m afraid
he`ll nibble
at the rat poison
and go belly up
diggin` tunnels.

You know O Noble One
even on a degenerate
like jay thackeray
I can`t wish such fate.

---t

RE: Lubna

Would you be kind enough to ignore my post number 56. I wish I could delete it. My apologies regardless of whatever the implied meanings are.

RE: Lubna

Can we now take this Jay guy out of the equation for good and talk only about your sidhar, gandi bachchi.

RE: Miss Fit.

Ms. Fit
you took up all of our space for an absolutely un-important message. Don`t do it again- OK :)

NOT FROM THE GUTTER,

My dear temporal,

The following news item shows that the muslim league is planning a coalition govt with the communists. Can this happen in pakistan. Just imagine,

from hindu of today,

League not for covert alliance: Haji

By Our Special Correspondent

KOZHIKODE, SEPT. 23. The IUML State general secretary, Mr. Korambayil Ahmed Haji, has said that his party would never be part of any clandestine alliance.

Addressing a `Meet-the-Press` programme of the Kozhikode Press Club today, the Haji denied that the League had struck covert poll deals with the CPI(M) for the local bodies poll. ``The League will be a partner in any political alliance only if it is offered an honourable participation. There cannot be a clandestine political alliance. If any party wants to have the League as its political ally, it should be approached in an honourable way and offered an honorable participation in the alliance. There cannot be an alliance of the type reported in the press between the CPI(M) and the League.`` If such an offer was made, the League would take a decision taking into consideration all relevant political factors, he added.``

/// just showing you the direction, look in the direction, dont look at the fingers, learn and grow.

regards and best wishes.

jay.

to lubna,

Teachers, I always respect, k for king, the k for kafir variety to the jihadic maulana. In the case of pak papers, there is a self censorship in place. To give an example, there was absolutely no news paper reports about the destruction of temples in pakistan in response to babri masjid. I feretted it out from the opinion pieces and letters to editors. Now the indians know that a lot of temples are in smithern, recently I posted one from frontier times about a samadhi being in derelict condition.

Another glaring example was that none of the papers would say that Musharaff was born in india, it took them a week to report it.

The main news in all the pak papers are about death, death in india. I do search for some good news from pakistan, tell me where I can find one.

A teacher should open the eyes of mind, not put chilli in it.

Which variety are you, and what ever be the variety, best wishes.

jay.

A RAT STORY FROM HINDU MYTHOLOGY,

My dear temporal,

I am reminded of this story by your actions.

Once up on a time a sage was meditating. A kite flying overhead happened to drop a dead rat on the sages lap. The sage with his devine powers turned that rat into a beautiful girl. The girl grew up inteligent, hardworking and all the more beautiful. The sage wanted the best husband for his daughter. He called `sun` god and told him to marry her. The daughter remarked `` oh father the sun god is fantastic, he supports life in this world, but I want some one more powerful. The sun god said, clouds are more powerful than me, he can completely shade my effects. The sage summoned the `cloud` god. Again the same story, girl wanted some one more powerful. The cloud pointed to the wind, which can move even the mightiest cloud. The sage summoned the `wind` god. The same words from the pretty one, and the cloud suggested the mountain god which can stop the strongest wind. The sage was summoned the god of the mountains, the daughter said, ` he is too big`, but I want some one more powerful. The mountain said, the rats are more powerful, they can tunnel holes in me.

The sage summoned the rat god, the daughter was happy, she said this is the one I like, father please turn me into a rat.

One can have education, one read the news papers in a regional kerala, but the rat mind always goes for the rape story. Borne in the gutter seeks the gutter, every where, in pakistan, canada, even in kerala.

Link it. make a provocative story, imitation can never match the fairdinkum. No harm in trying, try harder temporal. Dont keep slipping on the banan peel, or worse still dont give a stick for some one to beat you with. Engage the brain before the fingers caress the keys.

Please do keep this story and reproduce it like how you are doing with my intelectual origamy idea

regards and best wishes for some gift of imagination .

Jay.

Sorry for taking up this space but this is important:

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t,

I understand your frustration with Jay. I have students like him whom I have to deal with on a regular basis. A lot of them end up in therapy with the school psychologist. Know of any good one in Kerala whom Jay can be referred to for counseling sessions? Maybe any ads in the papers? Sawaab ka kaam hai kisi bimaar ki madad karna. BAUHOT saarey log dua`aey de gain. Aur neighbour honay ke naatey farz bhi banta hai.

love,

Lubna

Jay #42:

Ummm... was that some sort of a prelude to things to come so we won`t forget to laugh when you slip on a banana peel? Thank you, I`ll watch out for your fall.

And what`s with all those excerpts from Pakistani newspapers? Are you trying to prove to us that you can read and comprehend and twist things around and give them your own meaning? I`m so happy for you. And I envy you for having so much time that you`re actually able to read the letters to the editors in our local papers.

By the way, do you get paid by the hour?

-Lubna

``I have a very soft corner in my heart for all childern of God``

Urstruly, does that include Jay?

jay thackeray -- various post

Remember to take your medicine orally.

Charity and desire to change should be started from home first. Focus and do something in Kerala. Here is a news item. Do something. Anything


Four raped in Deaf and Dumb school

TRIVANDRUM: Four girls of Government Deaf and Dumb School were allegedly raped by their hostel-mates.

Museum police have registered a rape case in this connection. Both the accused and the victims, are at present in Kottayam. The incident was brought to notice by the school headmistress through a complaint, a couple of days ago. Sources said that such incidents were not new to the institution as the boys` hostel and the girls` hostel were housed in the same building.

You know where to find the rest.

---t

Lubna #35

WHAT HAS JAY THACKERAY DONE?

Somewhere recently Chowk Editors mentioned that 20-25 % interactors here are regular while 75-+80% interactors are occasional interactors. It is this majority this confused jay thackeray attacks.

His posts are consistently unimaginative, one sided, biased and obsessive. He is a single issue degenerate. A self style one man mission to cure or damn Pakistan and Pakistanis. A living walking example of why abortion should be legalized or birth control practiced. I apologize for the un-temporal harshness of my tone. But this fellow deserves every epithet and more. He must think of himself as a legend in his mind.

If you notice, the regular old timers give him a wide berth, and do not engage him in any dialogue. He literally preys upon the casual visitors. How? Here is a tactic in his words:

Jan-28-100 -2:49:52 PST Reply #: 167
jay

There is a game called intellectual origami, I take the clean pure paper of Pakistan, fold it around to make it into a jihadic monster and my good Pakistani friends are busy for a few days, removing the folds, ironing it out.]

Even though almost everyone gives him a wide berth, once in a while I try in vain to knock some sense into him, despite my better judgement. I know, I know it is a lost cause and I should let him sink in his pits of delusion. But call it the stubborn streak. Hope this helps for you and other new visitors here.
Now I have to go and check the Kerala papers and pick some unfortunate news item and throw it back to him. Most of my Indian friends understand this; for those who don’t, my apologies.

love,

temporal

Why is the favorite Pakistani insult always related to the anal orifice? What`s up with that? Very disturbing.

ANOTHER RAT STORY, RATS JUMPING THE SHIP,

From friday times,

Najmuddin Sheikh says Pakistanis are leaving Pakistan in droves. He says many of them are paying $ 150,000 per person to get the business visa which allows them to stay in the US, the UK and Canada. The investors are not investing, but why is the Pakistani man trying to leave the country? Newspapers have reported that since October 1999, approximately 120,000 people have gone out to the West on visas, and many among them will try not to come back. Lahore`s Passport Office has revealed that it issues 800 passports every day. The US embassy in Islamabad has announced that it gives a thousand visas a day to Pakistanis bound for the US. Other western embassies have a similar rush. All of them have toughened their visa regulations to stem the rising tide of people who no longer want to stay in Pakistan.

This is much more than just the people`s reluctance to put their money into new ventures. Clearly, they no longer want to stay in Pakistan. If you ask them, they can`t really explain, except that there are no jobs left in Pakistan. In any case, they can`t say what really is behind their desire to leave. They remain tied to the nationalism of their ideological state, having long lost the ability to think on their own. They support the nuclear explosion of 1998 and can`t relate their plight to what happened to the economy after that. They think that the Kargil Operation was a victory and should be repeated. They are convinced that India should be confronted militarily and defeated and that Pakistanis should sacrifice their all for the cause of Kashmir. They are not in favour of signing the CTBT because that is supposed to destroy Pakistan`s nuclear capability; yet they are leaving for the very countries who are asking Pakistan to sign it.

///some rats jumped earlier, got themselves bleached and are calling themselves `mini rabbit t.s`.

A HOLY FIGHT,

In some societies the contents are important, in some others who knew whome is paramount. Here is a holy fight about who had the last breakfast with Jinnah. From dawn, letters of today

Last breakfast with Quaid

GROUP Captain (R) Ata Rabbani in his article, `Last Breakfast With Quaid` (Dawn Sept 11) has claimed that he served for over seven months as the first Air Force ADC to the Quaid i.e. from Aug 14, 1947 to March 29, 1948. This has surprised me.

I became the Quaid`s second Air Force ADC with effect from Jan 13, 1948, after Group Captain (R) Rabbani. I have made doubly sure by having my joining date verified and confirmed from the micro-filmed record of my service held in the Officers Record Section of Air HQ. When I reported for duty to the Quaid on Jan 13, 1948, Group Captain (R) Rabbani had already gone back to the Air Force many days earlier.

I am writing these lines just to set the record straight.

GP-CAPT (R) AFTAB AHMED

Rawalpindi

///It is possible that the records are doctored, will the real quaid come forward.

To Lubna,

I usually do not address my posts. Temporal at present is an exception. When you see some one falling from a height, one is stunned, there is a gasp for breath, no one laughs. When you see some one falling into a pit, there is a sinking feeling, no one laughs. When you see one slipping on a banana peel the laughter is instantaneous, especially when it is the one who had been throwing the peels around.

There is a saying, let us say from t, no one laughs for ever, banana peel waits for every one.

regards and best wishes.

jay.

A WORD FOR A PAKI, A WORLD FOR PAKISTAN,

Long long ago, when the great musharaff conducted the coup, there was an article on the chowk by his son. There were more than a thousand interacts, the coming of age of chowk. There were a few notable ones from the pakistanis, one issued a death threat, another said that he knows the ISP address of the other and will come knocking at midnight. I celebrated those posts, in a country where the parents can organise the murder of their daughters to protect honour and the law declares that it is perfectly legal, where the educated and the elected find nothing to condemn, where the mere statement that i am a god is enough to condemn one to death, issueing of death threats and not carrying them out is a step forward. The physical act of violence is replaced by an imagined act of murder. That is great, it is a great progress.

Now some of the pakistanis on the chowk have taken that cultural evolution path a step further, they are not issueing death threats, they are only indulging in name calling. For a pakistani this is a leap of gigantic proportions, ``honour killg to honour calling`` I celebrate that, with let us say Freud who said that `` the person who threw the first insult instead of a stone is the founder of civilisation``.

Then again I could be wrong, what I am seeing in the posts could be the influence of decades in Canada and the US of the pakistanis, nothing has changed back home. May be they are not pakistanis, burnt and flushed the passport decades ago, in which case there is nothing to celebrate. Can any one tell the truth. A word for a paki, a world for pakistan. The last sentence is my own, I am neil armstrong jay not t.

RE: Lubna # 37

Dont worry I have a very soft corner in my heart for all childern of God, especially the Gandi Bachchis :)

RE: Scout # 38

One may get paid to piss others off. How is that Job Description? What if commission and fringe benefits depend on the ``quality of services`` that you deliver?

Urstruly #33,

I`m a little pissed off right now, because I haven`t received my paycheck yet. It`s reflected upon my lackluster posts.

Urstruly #36:

Hey, don`t blame me, hamarey dimaag mein sac or shankar bhai nain gandi gandi batein daali hain!

And anyway, it wasn`t my intention to insult t, it`s this Jay guy who should feel insulted. (Actually, come to think of it, I might feel insulted if I had an admirer like Jay)

By the way, what gave you the impression I`m an achhi bachi? :)

Lubna #35

achay bachay gandi baatain nahin karte.

Jay honey, you`re doing exactly what you`re accusing others of - nit-picking. Only problem is that in your case there really aren`t any you can pick - don`t know where you`re getting all that crap from.

t,

You don`t want to get yourself dirty messing around with ``chicken s__t`` (as someone else put it) - ignore the stink. What`s this guy got against you anyway? Going by what sac suggested, maybe he had a soft spot for YOU and of course, aap ney lift hi nahi karaai and this is his way of getting back at you. Poor guy! ;)

-Lubna

Jay thackeray:

So you chose not to read #30 and do something -- anything positive. With your preoccupation with far off lands I half expected it.

Here is another subject that perhaps may interest you?

Rat fever claims 40 lives in state

TRIVANDRUM: Outbreak of rat fever (Wiel`s disease) reported from different parts of the state during the last fortnight has so far claimed 40 lives, Chief Minister E K Nayanar said yesterday.

You know where to find the rest of the story

---t

I think Jay and a couple others are on the payroll.

To temporal,

Desperation at times can lead to knowledge. As you are doing now, please do read about kerala, read about the ruler of a kerala province who went to Arabia at the time of the prophet, became his deciple and spread islam in kerala. Read about the marxist of kerala who elected a communist govt in 1966. Read about the two kerala nuns who are saints. Read about Aadi Sankara the hindu reformer. Read about narayana guru temple at kaladi where the idol is a mirror, read the engravings on every temple, ``one caste, one religion and one god for the mankind``. Salute the karala genious that can sustain three religions at nearly 25% muslim, 15% christian and 60% hindu and still have 50% atheiests (marxists).

If you still have the book as a sovenier, read k for kafir. Read the TNT and the revelations behind such teachings.

And when you are ready, you and your family can stay with us in kerala, as guests of honour. I will take you to the madrassas where koran is taught in arabic, only at night classes, an economic and social set up where repeating koran can get no income. I can take you to the mosques where women are allowed to enter. I can tell you about the stylised hindu-muslim fights that happen once in a while where the neighbours hire outsiders to do the fighting so that neighbours are not commiting violence against the other. If you are lucky, I can take you to those fights, we know where it will take place in different years.

By the way dont get distressed by the word honour, in india it means respect even admiration, while in pakistan honour is synonimous with torture, violence and murder.

regards

jay

Regardless of what the latest `trend` may be, it goes without saying that the best thing that could have happened to the US econony is this air of start-ups and dot.coms. The increased efficiency, creativity and excitement has allowed many to push humankind`s thoughts and creations to higher levels. In the long run, we will be better off from the improvements left behind from this revolution.

I can see the benefits already.....working for a start-up that is anticipated to make great headway in the insurance arena (www.epolicy.com), I see our team bringing in all kinds of innovative ideas to the field of insurance, which has always been a slower and more conservative industry to change and bring online in the b2b arena.....

.....A good article regardless since some points do hold value for those start-ups which hire a bunch of 20 something leaders with great talent, but limited experience and patience factors.

Regards

For Jay Thackeray:

Gopi Nathan writes in keralakaumudi “Happened to read the disgusting news of students being suspended at Vazhichal Emmanuel College for wearing dhoti! Many would like to look at this an isolated incident. It is not. It is the symptom of a much bigger desease - cultural degradation!”

and

“The debacle at Vazhichal College is a bye-product of our own cultural degradation, which is surfacing in different fields. Our language policy has literally gone to dogs! The cultural and political climate of Kerala is deteriorating. The principal of the Emmanuel College is only a symptom. It`s high time we get rid of the disease itself, instead of treating the symptom alone!”

They are crying aloud for your wisdom. Upto the challenge?

---t

From dawn of today,

The mob mentality

By Aziz Malik

SOMEONE has, perhaps, rightly described Pakistanis not as a nation but a ``mob.`` This mob mentality is witnessed almost daily somewhere in the country.

When someone says the Kalabagh dam would be detrimental to the country, everyone repeats it in a chorus, including those who do not even know the `ABC` of the irrigation system.

When someone says that the devolution of power plan is ``a conspiracy`` to enforce One-Unit for the second time, everyone follows suit. We, as a nation, do not believe in trying to understand things by ourselves before joining the bandwagon.

This mob mentality was witnessed in Hyderabad on Sept 11 when a tax survey team visited Tilik Chaari to collect survey forms.

To his bad luck, a non-Muslim income tax inspector was in the survey team. He was reported to have made some derogatory remarks against the beard of a shopkeeper. He denied this but, nevertheless, apologised and was forgiven.

///When i read the article in dawn i was reminded of scout and others who rejoice vulgar utterings of one on the chowk.

To sac,

Read posts 1 and 4 of this thread and you will see that a contributer on chowk has tried to claim to be Oscar Wilde t.

I am no saint not to rejoice at the fall of one who had been personally nitt picking at many. Post 1 on this thread itself is a good example. His previous response to another Joss article also was deplorable.

A self styled know it all, better than thou is, at last where he should be.

regards

Jay.

Pankaj #25:

Khush raho aur Chowk kay liya kuch likho.

Aap kay paas nau mun taile hay, ghungroo bhee aap na khareed liyay hoNgay, Radha tou hay hee paRRos maiN, aur samnay wali khiRki ki Nutan, saaghar aur meena bhee aap kay haaN aasani say milti hay phir kis baat ka intezar hay? Bus jaldi say likhna shr’u kijiyay.

rgds

t

Pankaj Bhai,

aap to baray `aafat ka par kala` niklay.

Nau man tel ka intazaam to ho gaya hai par phir bhi Radha nakhare karti hai ki ghungharoo nahin hai. Naach na jaane aangan teda. Are ghungaroo to peeche almaari main rakhe hain. God(lap) mein bachcha shahar mein dhindora.

Ghora ghaas se yaari karega to khayega kya. Ab Ghore ki baat chali hai to `` Shahsawar hi girte hain maidan-e-jung mein``. Jung mein dushman ko naako chane na chabwa diye to mera naam bhi .... nahin. Daant kaati roti thi jisse, wahi ab dushman ban gaya hai, to uske daant khatte karne se bhi peeche nahin hatoonga. Waise sawan ke andhe ko hara hi hara soojhta hai.

Baaki phir kabhi.

Cheers

Isn`t it all about the `Survival of the fittest`

Jay:

Can you please explain your fascination with Oscar Wilde? Is it some sort of subconcious display of comradeship with the gentleman on count of his affection for the male variety? You would have been a worthy subject for Freud. Too bad he is dead.

Boy I`d pay top dollar for locking you and ylh up in a some patel motel for a couple of days.

later

-sac

Surprising, I also know about the one you said,``bhanmati ka kunba joda``. And as far as I know the ``bagal mein choori`` proverb is at least a century old. The reason why many of the indian interactors were not aware may be that most were either from South or born and bred in US. Before partition there was a mixture of Hindi and Urdu which was spoken in the Gangetic plains of North called Hindustani. Lucknow was the center where this confluence climaxed to give a ``Lucknawi tahjeeb`` the vestiges of which are still alive in some parts of the city. After your confirmation I guess( I was not sure earlier) there is still much common between textbook Hindi and Urdu taught in Pakistan. Is se pahle ke mera guide aa jaya mein ``nao(nine) do gyarah`` hota hoon. Kahin usne dekh liya to ``siir mundaate hi oole`` pad jayenge. Waise dekh bhi liya to kya bigad lega, thoda daant hi lega na. Akhir mulla ki daud masjid tak hi hoti hai. :)

Cheers

Cheers

RE:Pankaj # 17

Yes, the ``Ghar Ka Bhaidi`` is taught in Urdu classes and I was surprised to see that you were taught ``Baghal Main Churi....``; I always thought that it was post partition Paki invention. Some of other Indian interactors at Chowk also seem to imply that.

Anyway there are a couple of others that might interest you:

``Kahan ki eent kahan ka roRRa, Bhaan Mati nay Kunba Joora``

and

``Nah no mun tail ho ga nah Radha naachay gi``

Temporal,

Havent you realised that the rooster has swollowed, digested & crapped Jay out? Indians & POakistanis alike agree that he sounds like chicken sh *t.

No point trying to change a lost cause. The only way to deal with chicken sh *t is to give his posts a wide berth.

Scout,

Nice to see you awake.

Jay.

AN EPITAPH,

Do unto others before others do unto you, it is not by oscar wilde, could be J. Christ or any one. Some people tend to be archytypal, on the chowk there is one that epitomises the small mind, the pedantic, the nitt picking, the one who has long forgotten to have a laugh. This type do not contribute good or bad, they are just a source of irritation, the ones carrying the burden of keeping the moral fibre, to keep the world going round. These have the exagerated desire to be moderators on the chowk, they comment on every thread, poetry to politics, always at the nitt picking level, like a mosquitto, singing in the ear, crafty enough not to get smashed.

Rarely does an opportunity come to smash these irritating creations, and I am not the one to miss it.

This is an epitah to Omar Wasim Tehsin, who passed away yesterday, when walked in front of a road roller, busy preparing a cyber highway.

May he be reborn with some sense of humour.

Just a query: Is this ``ghar ka bhedi...`` also taught in Urdu classes. Most of the other proverbs like ``Muh me ram...`` and ``Aankh ka andha...`` were also taught to me in my Hindi class. I sometime wonder at the similarity of the language we(Indians and pakistanis) speak. :)

Cheers

RE: Scout

Yes! and its not just ears. For further info on anatomy related to smoke, contact Temporal.

RE: Satyavadi
Thank you

pullu,

Sometimes we can`t help say mean things to Jay. He`s always saying mean things to others and spreading hateful propaganda.

T-bhai,

He deserved what you said to him.

pullu #11:

[Thoda zyada nahin ho gaya? ..the way u recommend drugs to be taken...!]

ThoRRa nahiN buhat ziada ho gaya hay!

The consistent way this guy (jay Thackeray) simultaneously speaks out of all his orifices, once in a while brings out the worst in me.

HumaiN ummeed hay aap aur doosray bhallay log humaiN maaf kar daiNgay!

rgds,

t

Urstruly,

Is that smoke coming out of your ears?

Urstruly #10:

Very funny post.

Satyavadi

With regard to dotcoms...

Is it necessary that dotcoms must push themselves to facilitators of e-commerce?

Continuing in the same vein, why are ISPs in a better position in a dotcom race?

FOr a site like tehelka.com ( i hope the spelling is right}, the site that brought out Manoj Prabhakar`s recording, how can they become a profit making company? Only through ad revenues?

Doesn`t look feasible..If not then why and If yes then How?

John Joss...?

Temoporal #re 8

Thoda zyada nahin ho gaya? ..the way u recommend drugs to be taken...!

It was in your subconscious mind it`s ok...you have read Oscar Wilde, you have imbibed it. As simple as that!

Jay #re 6

It is nice to take a dig at others..gets the best out of both sides, but then can`t we just keep it a bit less acrimonious.

Actually temporal normally has a nice temper.

Dear JJ.

I think there is something wrong/evil with your articles.

People are either extremely hostile to them or they are completely indifferent. There are no `middle of the road` interactors here.

My assesment for hostility is that you are ``Ghar ka Bhaidi`` which makes other people of the ``Ghar`` think that ``Ghar ka bhaidi lanka dha rha hay``.

I dont understand the reason for the indiffernce though. Probably, you write on something that is above most of us (BTW I understood everything you wrote).

May be you should choose a classy title, something like:

``Stop killing IT businesses``
``IT Businesses stop this suicide``

or the best of all

``Why all Indian dot coms will fail``

``The reasons of dot com failures and Kashmir``

``Blasphemy Law as applied to IT failures``

and trust me, you dont neeed to prove your case or heck you dont even need a case.

Absolutely agree with your opinion JJ. Dot.coms are high-tech quackery of the new millenium.

Last 10+ years of a stock market bull run has resulted in an illusion that anybody can make money by ``investing``.

The Internet has captured the general public`s imagination and hence a new potential moneymaking machine has been generated by IPO`ing Dot.coms. Problem is thus far, virtual companies have been generating virtual cash. Investors/VC however have been using real cash to finance these virtual companies. Is it just me or do I see a big black hole in between the Real investors money and the virtual cash flow??

History has shown time and time that at the dawn of a new technological breakthrough -eg invention of the transistor, electricity, many are enticed to invest in a company based on new technology promising obscene wealth in the future. Most companies fail and it`s the small investor who gets burned.

Too bad Greed has such a short memory....

Regards,

Fozia

jay Thackeray #3 and 6:

Remind yourself to take the prescription drugs orally. It is obviously not working anally. And regularly, or they may come and take you away for good.

Read post #1, 4 and & 7 carefully. Very carefully. If there is a word that you don’t understand check a dictionary or ask. There is no shame, ever, in learning.

most humbly,

temporal

PS: Other gentle folks here. Please extend me a generous dose of understanding when I deal with this genius.

Mukallaf #4:

The whole tone of post #1 was tongue in cheek. Please read it again and tell me if it was otherwise.

To provide proper perspective, here is the relevant quote from my interact to John’s previous article:” We have trillions of morsels of knowledge and little wisdom. We learn or can access the price of everything. But we tend to overlook their value.”

In my gentle dig at John perhaps I may have crossed over into sarcasm.

However, I would not accuse him of plagiarism. That is for literary sleuths or imbeciles to do. And frankly this piece by no stretch would qualify as a literary gem.

I would not accuse him of plagiarism, also, because over a period of time so many observations, comments and quotes are assimilated unconsciously into our collective sub-conscious.

Thanks for the post and the quote.

regards,

temporal

OSCAR WILDE AND OMAR WASIM TEHSIN,

The british foreign office has recently declassified a lot of material relating to the indo anglian writers of the ninteenth centur