Ayesha J Ikram September 24, 2000
#1 Posted by pullu on September 25, 2000 10:45:05 am
Phew...I was in smiles all through until you saw the shaving kit. Holy cow! Just one look at Kate Moss and so many thoughts took over! I have seen expressions change when another girl`s beauty is described passionately..but now I wonder, is it all taken so seriously? Women are very conscious, ok, but to this extent? May be because here a fiancee was involved. My guess is, he was teasing you. Sometimes it is nice to make your girl angry aur jab woh rooth jaye tho phir baith kar manaiye.
Hmmmmm...kabhi aghar hadh se baath zyada ho gayi tho..? Tho phir hard luck par lage rahiye.
Like this song..
``pyar mein kabhi kabhi aisa ho jata hai,
choti-choti baath ka fasana ban jaata hai..``
Lovely article...want of this kind.. :)
Pullu
Hmmmmm...kabhi aghar hadh se baath zyada ho gayi tho..? Tho phir hard luck par lage rahiye.
Like this song..
``pyar mein kabhi kabhi aisa ho jata hai,
choti-choti baath ka fasana ban jaata hai..``
Lovely article...want of this kind.. :)
Pullu
#3 Posted by temporal on September 25, 2000 11:02:29 am
Ayesha:
Welcome to Chowk.
Intentionally or unintentionally there was no blurb at the end. So the missing inf. did not figure at all in what is to follow. (This gentle hint is aimed at you and Chowk Editors as well.)
Despite my reluctance to do justice to first person narration, I almost liked this first foray here. I must admit one thing --- I may sound foolish with this --- I have no idea who Kate is --- may she rest in peace :)
But your subtle hint works both ways -- according to informed people. They have done numerous studies concluding that lovers often ‘visualize’ about a different partner while making love.
All desi men have experienced a version of this early on in their marriages. We attended a gathering --- forget what the occasion was --- pleasant mindless desi evening --- on the way back while discussing the evening the Sweet One asked whom I thought to be the most beautiful lady in that gathering. Bells and whistles should have sounded, but I was naive and innocent in those days. I gave a truthful answer. The rest of the trip was spent in an expert analytical dissertation (read ruthless)on the Body and Mind of That One. One talked while the other listened. To cut short, on quite a few subsequent occasions I have been confronted by the same questions from the Sweet One. We learn from our mistakes. I have patented a harmless but satisfying reply (franchises available.) Confession: been so successful that she soon lost interest and now rarely asks this version of the query.
And now ...... hope you don’t mind. If you are the kind who will spent a restless night turning and tossing if you have misplaced a comma, don’t read on --- if you are ‘insulated’ well, read on.
First the good news. No spelling disasters and the narration flowed easily.
Long long and down down (2nd and 3rd para) do not make long any longer nor down.......
Big time let down in the beginning of Six. The first two sentences should be one only ending in a question mark.
You do write well, have the right self-effusive self-deprecatory attributes and must write more often here.
regards
temporal
Welcome to Chowk.
Intentionally or unintentionally there was no blurb at the end. So the missing inf. did not figure at all in what is to follow. (This gentle hint is aimed at you and Chowk Editors as well.)
Despite my reluctance to do justice to first person narration, I almost liked this first foray here. I must admit one thing --- I may sound foolish with this --- I have no idea who Kate is --- may she rest in peace :)
But your subtle hint works both ways -- according to informed people. They have done numerous studies concluding that lovers often ‘visualize’ about a different partner while making love.
All desi men have experienced a version of this early on in their marriages. We attended a gathering --- forget what the occasion was --- pleasant mindless desi evening --- on the way back while discussing the evening the Sweet One asked whom I thought to be the most beautiful lady in that gathering. Bells and whistles should have sounded, but I was naive and innocent in those days. I gave a truthful answer. The rest of the trip was spent in an expert analytical dissertation (read ruthless)on the Body and Mind of That One. One talked while the other listened. To cut short, on quite a few subsequent occasions I have been confronted by the same questions from the Sweet One. We learn from our mistakes. I have patented a harmless but satisfying reply (franchises available.) Confession: been so successful that she soon lost interest and now rarely asks this version of the query.
And now ...... hope you don’t mind. If you are the kind who will spent a restless night turning and tossing if you have misplaced a comma, don’t read on --- if you are ‘insulated’ well, read on.
First the good news. No spelling disasters and the narration flowed easily.
Long long and down down (2nd and 3rd para) do not make long any longer nor down.......
Big time let down in the beginning of Six. The first two sentences should be one only ending in a question mark.
You do write well, have the right self-effusive self-deprecatory attributes and must write more often here.
regards
temporal
#4 Posted by solitude on September 25, 2000 11:52:47 am
Why don`t you get a magazine with a hunk in it ( preferably with me in it - check Americas Most Wanted section , oh I forgot they only have em in pohleece magazines).
There are two benefits to admiring a good looking guy :
1) it will take your bf. / fiancee to heights of jealousy you can never soar to (since you are a WOMAN! haha)
2) it will make some of the good looking guys feel desirable (women are relatively more reserved about their desires - primarily because their desires have been denigrated through the ages by jealous fiancee / bf.s or patriarchs). Hence the need for feminism.
Next time he will think twice before he acts so insensitively. But the point is perhaps we should not crucify kate moss, or your fiancee or the photographer - instead you should do what makes you happy (look at hunks would be one etc.)
There are two benefits to admiring a good looking guy :
1) it will take your bf. / fiancee to heights of jealousy you can never soar to (since you are a WOMAN! haha)
2) it will make some of the good looking guys feel desirable (women are relatively more reserved about their desires - primarily because their desires have been denigrated through the ages by jealous fiancee / bf.s or patriarchs). Hence the need for feminism.
Next time he will think twice before he acts so insensitively. But the point is perhaps we should not crucify kate moss, or your fiancee or the photographer - instead you should do what makes you happy (look at hunks would be one etc.)
#5 Posted by Harpreet on September 25, 2000 12:27:14 pm
Ayesha,
You sound delicious.....big breasts, tummy, round bottom.....your boyfriend sounds mad if he would prefer that skin and bone stick insect Kate Moss to you.....
You sound delicious.....big breasts, tummy, round bottom.....your boyfriend sounds mad if he would prefer that skin and bone stick insect Kate Moss to you.....
#6 Posted by Zehra on September 25, 2000 1:41:35 pm
i guess you did get your point across..
i come away SO VERY disturbed.
a shallowness that is hard to ignore was laced throughout yet it was done so sincerely.
the issue was so coated in `humor` that i don`t know how many people will look beyond it...i would think they could but most of the responses so far lead me think, perhaps not. most of the responses so far are from men.
rizvi.
i come away SO VERY disturbed.
a shallowness that is hard to ignore was laced throughout yet it was done so sincerely.
the issue was so coated in `humor` that i don`t know how many people will look beyond it...i would think they could but most of the responses so far lead me think, perhaps not. most of the responses so far are from men.
rizvi.
#7 Posted by PM on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
Dear Ayesha,
On reading some replies here, I get the impression some readers are taking your piece to be non- or only- semi-fictional, and then proposing `remedies`. If that is the case, excuse me for thinking otherwise, and responding accordingly. I mean, I found your perception of your bf`s thoughts and intentions ....ummm... stereotypical...
``...I doubt if he even knows what she looks like. He was too busy concentrating on the rosy – tanned parts of her, on the curve of her waist, on the sweep of her hips, on the thrust of her pelvis, to bother much about the rest of her.
Sitting there, watching saliva dribble onto his chin, hearing that low moan emerge from his lips and seeing him unconsciously lick his lips, ...``
C`mon, lady ... you mean you could tell what he was focussing on? Well... maybe. But many men like the `whole package` too.
Was he doing this in your presence? Well, dump him. Not coz it`s wrong to fantasize, but coz he`s obviously insensitve... I mean, there WAS a bathroom in the vicinity, wasn`t there :)
Either way, your boyfriend`s fascination with Kate Moss is nothing you should slit yor wrist over. Not worth it! (,... Now, Kate WINSLETT, ahhh, ... but that`s another fant.. I mean `story`)
by the way, nice writing, esp. where your portray the `conflict within` at the KFC.
rgds,
P
On reading some replies here, I get the impression some readers are taking your piece to be non- or only- semi-fictional, and then proposing `remedies`. If that is the case, excuse me for thinking otherwise, and responding accordingly. I mean, I found your perception of your bf`s thoughts and intentions ....ummm... stereotypical...
``...I doubt if he even knows what she looks like. He was too busy concentrating on the rosy – tanned parts of her, on the curve of her waist, on the sweep of her hips, on the thrust of her pelvis, to bother much about the rest of her.
Sitting there, watching saliva dribble onto his chin, hearing that low moan emerge from his lips and seeing him unconsciously lick his lips, ...``
C`mon, lady ... you mean you could tell what he was focussing on? Well... maybe. But many men like the `whole package` too.
Was he doing this in your presence? Well, dump him. Not coz it`s wrong to fantasize, but coz he`s obviously insensitve... I mean, there WAS a bathroom in the vicinity, wasn`t there :)
Either way, your boyfriend`s fascination with Kate Moss is nothing you should slit yor wrist over. Not worth it! (,... Now, Kate WINSLETT, ahhh, ... but that`s another fant.. I mean `story`)
by the way, nice writing, esp. where your portray the `conflict within` at the KFC.
rgds,
P
#8 Posted by subuhi on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
I really doubt i`m the only person on Chowk who recognizes this article as not about female jealousy or ``WOMEN!`` as one respondee said, but about eating disorders. Bulimia, in particular. Ayesha`s put some humor in her article but the real point it touches on is something far uglier.
It`s worth noting that only men seemed to have responded to this article, and that too with amusement. To women, who frequently have to compare themselves to impossibly thin images in magazines, this article is about how anorexic models can make ordinary girls look at themselves and at food with hate. You can only keep your man if you`re thin. I worked as an advisor in a girls` college dorm, and keeping an eye out for symptoms of eating disorders was considered a regular part of our job, especially since teenage is considered the prime time for anorexia and bulimia to develop.
I have some reservations about the quality of the writing, but i admire your bringing up a topic well worth discussing - if only people would recognize it.
Temporal, Kate Moss is some silly little waifish Calvin Klein model who barely looks of legal age, and who`s been quoted as saying she lives on ``lettuce and cigarettes.`` She`s unhealthily skinny and was all the rage a couple of years ago - don`t know if she`s still the biggest (hardly literally!) thing around.
It`s worth noting that only men seemed to have responded to this article, and that too with amusement. To women, who frequently have to compare themselves to impossibly thin images in magazines, this article is about how anorexic models can make ordinary girls look at themselves and at food with hate. You can only keep your man if you`re thin. I worked as an advisor in a girls` college dorm, and keeping an eye out for symptoms of eating disorders was considered a regular part of our job, especially since teenage is considered the prime time for anorexia and bulimia to develop.
I have some reservations about the quality of the writing, but i admire your bringing up a topic well worth discussing - if only people would recognize it.
Temporal, Kate Moss is some silly little waifish Calvin Klein model who barely looks of legal age, and who`s been quoted as saying she lives on ``lettuce and cigarettes.`` She`s unhealthily skinny and was all the rage a couple of years ago - don`t know if she`s still the biggest (hardly literally!) thing around.
#9 Posted by scout on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
Kate Moss wannabe,
Interesting writing. It kept my attention but I do have to say, that if this is true, the girl in the piece has VERY low self esteem.
What kind of a girl would try to kill herself because her boyfriend drooled after a skeleton (kate moss)?
Don`t girls also drool after male models? Appreciating beauty in a good natured sense is not a sin. We all do it.
I hope this was just a story and not a true confession. If it is a confession, I hope you are seeking help.
Interesting writing. It kept my attention but I do have to say, that if this is true, the girl in the piece has VERY low self esteem.
What kind of a girl would try to kill herself because her boyfriend drooled after a skeleton (kate moss)?
Don`t girls also drool after male models? Appreciating beauty in a good natured sense is not a sin. We all do it.
I hope this was just a story and not a true confession. If it is a confession, I hope you are seeking help.
#10 Posted by scout on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
Harpreet #5, ``You sound delicious.....big breasts, tummy, round bottom...``
Have you ever heard a woman say ``You sound delectable, big penis....round perfect testicles...etc etc?``
Have some respect for women please. There are other ways of appreciating beauty besides the sexual overtones.
Have you ever heard a woman say ``You sound delectable, big penis....round perfect testicles...etc etc?``
Have some respect for women please. There are other ways of appreciating beauty besides the sexual overtones.
#11 Posted by fRoG gOdDeSs on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
May I use this less cluttered medium to thank you for not subjecting my article and later my ``contribution`` to... well... what you usually subject articles and contributions to...
tHaNk YoU
Btw, i always thought the word was ``Human Rights`` and not ``human right``.... ayesha please continue to write in defence of horizontally challenged women... till I lose weight that is...
tHaNk YoU
Btw, i always thought the word was ``Human Rights`` and not ``human right``.... ayesha please continue to write in defence of horizontally challenged women... till I lose weight that is...
#12 Posted by anamika on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
To get that heroin-addict look you probably should take drugs of different kind. What`s your (fictional?) fiance`? A teenager?
#13 Posted by tahmed321 on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
First there was this article on chowk by a woman concerning the her moustache and the trouble she had to go through to get rid of it. Then came another article by a woman concerning her large feet (or was it to-tall height?) and how she intimidated the shoe salesman as a result. Then a woman explains on chowk how she showers once a week, and that makes her cleaner than other desis. Now you come along discussing the remaining parts of your anatomy and how you tried dissecting it in the shape of a model.
You people must all be from the Lahore College of Women.
You people must all be from the Lahore College of Women.
#14 Posted by sac on September 25, 2000 3:42:58 pm
Here we go again. Bulimia,exploitation by men in various hues and colors,abundance of self-esteem issues due to the media foisting unattainable standards of feminine beauty on a non-suspecting public blah blah blah. Sometimes I wonder if men had the same insecurities as women do whether any of us could function in a `normal` manner?
Can someone please tell me what would it take for the less than `genetically gifted` women to stop feeling insecure and stop caring about what the world around them thinks about their appearance? I guess an honest answer to this question would put most gender studies departments and scholars out of business. So let the charade continue......
later
-sac
Can someone please tell me what would it take for the less than `genetically gifted` women to stop feeling insecure and stop caring about what the world around them thinks about their appearance? I guess an honest answer to this question would put most gender studies departments and scholars out of business. So let the charade continue......
later
-sac
#15 Posted by Urstruly on September 25, 2000 3:50:02 pm
Ms. Ikram
It would have been just another article if you hadn`t written the climax as you did. Brilliant. Thanks for writing this article for us. I like your style of writing.
Has anyone noticed that there has been a string of writings on Chowk, by female writers, where food is the main topic, literally or metaphorically. In my opinion, that was imminent. The Kate Moss-ism has prevailed for a longer time than it should have been-since late fiftees. I think now the time has come that ladies have revolted against Kate Moss-ism and years of dieting and resulting osteoporosis, anorexia, and other disorders. It is time that women change the focus of their self-worth from their material self to their `actual` worth. It is in their hands to change the perceptions of a man about a ``perfect`` woman. `The hands that rock the craddle......` you know what I mean.
It would have been just another article if you hadn`t written the climax as you did. Brilliant. Thanks for writing this article for us. I like your style of writing.
Has anyone noticed that there has been a string of writings on Chowk, by female writers, where food is the main topic, literally or metaphorically. In my opinion, that was imminent. The Kate Moss-ism has prevailed for a longer time than it should have been-since late fiftees. I think now the time has come that ladies have revolted against Kate Moss-ism and years of dieting and resulting osteoporosis, anorexia, and other disorders. It is time that women change the focus of their self-worth from their material self to their `actual` worth. It is in their hands to change the perceptions of a man about a ``perfect`` woman. `The hands that rock the craddle......` you know what I mean.
#16 Posted by sadna on September 25, 2000 4:29:06 pm
If written as a serious article, I have plenty of problems with it :-). If written as a humorous one, its great until the razor blades.
Which is it, may we know?
Sadhana
Which is it, may we know?
Sadhana
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