Hidden Hindus

RE: temporal

Yes, Father-whatever you say:)

Sadna # 71

I had a feeling that you would be looking at the screen at the time my reply`d be posted on the board.

{Thanks again ali1.)

BTW, you are welcome Sadna, that is what we do-make peoples day.

ali1 #69

First, welcome back.

You write “Just count the number of interacts by this person with the handle ``sadna``. He/she is working 60 hour/week just at chowk!”

Do you have any proof or is that just an allegation?

And if this is an inference or allegation, then it is a classic refuge of those who do not stand on solid grounds. The kind of tactics one indulges in when one runs out of solid arguments or facts.


Urstruly #70

Et tu?!


regards,

temporal

ali1, Urstruly #69 #70

My perception is that you have no other replies to make, so you are paying me a compliment, if anything. As for 60 hrs/week, its nice(and a reflection on interactors) that so little actual effort can yield such results. Well, noone goes hungry, those other chores get done too and also, I was made permanent, so its a real compliment. Thanks, you made my day.

Sadhana

RE: Ali1 # 69

I thought I was the only one with this perception.

Thank you.

Yasser,

Here is a shabaash for your spirited defence and arguments. But do you really think you can argue with people who are paid by research and analysis folks in Dilli?

Just count the number of interacts by this person with the handle ``sadna``. He/she is working 60 hour/week just at chowk!

To Krashid # 58

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my friends would be delighted at this. till now we used to call us as Jantus, but this new intrepretation is cool.... and i will tell them it is from a paki, u will be sure to find some more indians receptive to ur cliches about kashmir from now on......

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I have learned and learning about the true face of Hindu and Hinduism on this board.

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u have learned nothing, i repeat ur knowledge about hinduism is Zilch. u r blinded by your hatred........

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To tell you the truth, I had much better impression of India.

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oh.. what should i say? i am delighted sir, we will definetely try to live up to your expectations....





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I think it is enough for you for now``````

ya, it might be enough for me... but what about you? r u sure whether u are being honest to urself.. knowing you, i can guess your answer...

but then , u could be right. whats the use of learning truth about everything in this world.. how do i care whether anything can travel faster than light? how do i care whether hinduism preaches this or that? life is too small to worry about these insignificant facts, right?

bye then, no use discussing with you about anything...u r closed to anything new ....

cheers,

jntuece99

Harish and others

Please atleast consult some books before you check the figures. Had the Punjab and Bengal given to us entirely, we would still have only 32 to 35 % minorities but they werent given to us entirely.

Then Bangladesh went its own way .. taking away a chunk of our minorities..... so the present day percentage of minorities is only based on facts.

Interestingly enough Satyavadi quoted out of Hamza Alavi when Hamza Alavi had spoken about the original Pakistan plan. The Satyavadi comes up with some weird justification which doesnot make sense... and finally he forgets that Bangladesh went its own seperate way ...

That is how Pakistan only has 3% minorities...

Next time use your head ... though I doubt that there is something worthwhile in there knowing the kind you belong to!

Shandana,

a well written article.

we all talk of muslims being discriminated in india and hindus being discriminated in pakistan due to their religions. infact a lot of things in our countries happen or have happened due to religion....the partition of india, the babri masjid demolition in india, the blasphamy law in pakistan, riots etc etc.

now think of a world without religion. at least i personally donot believe in any religion and frankly that has made me a much better person, much more tolerant and patient. religion is essentially a way of life. but thanks to some great people in our countries, religion has been turned into a reason for fight, quarrel and discrimination.

it may see a bit hard to digest initially, but think about it!!!

ylh reply # 48

``WHy do I even bother with your kind. I guess it is because of Prem and his family that I have any respect for Indians ... otherwise there wouldnt be any.``

thanx to people like u, i`m loosing the respect i had for pakistanis.

take care,

devkant.

Harish

First of all, we never declared ourselves a religious state... this is just a misconception. Jinnah`s statement on this is very clear.

``You are free, you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion caste or creed- that has nothing to do with the business of the state.``

11th August 1947- Constituent Assembley address.

I have requested your people to please read before you utter such fantastic nonsense.

I believe that my friend Prem Bodagala, an Indian, had a very nice time in Pakistan this summer. He wouldnt agree with your qualification of Pakistan as a land of hate and he is a stronger Indian Nationalist than anyone here!!!!!

Let us try to be objective,

Mc Gupta # 29

I was of the same thought as you.

But after seeing enough of you people, I think Syed is right.

Satyavadi

Excellent posts!

Shandana Minhas

Nice article. As others have pointed out, the detailed forays into Hindu ritual and festival do make the article seem somewhat disjointed, but I realize that it was written for a Pakistani audience, which, unlike the people in the rest of the subcontinent, are quite ignorant about a religion that has had a tremendous influence on their own culture!

I think that this is the greatest tragedy of Partition – that whole generations of Pakistanis have been cut off from the rich cultural heritage of the Indian subcontinent. The diversity of India forces her citizens, whether they by Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jain, Jewish, Muslim, Parsi, Sikh, etc. to know one another and about each others faiths and how they have influenced the composite Indian (subcontinent) culture we all share. But that tragedy of history is being made up for through remarkable forums like chowk.

Aisha

Most reasonable people agree that neither Pakistan nor India is perfect, but when it comes to the status of minorities, India is definitely ahead and here is why.: India tries. From the start, India has always made it the goal that, to paraphrase Jinnah, ‘ones religion has nothing to do with the business of the state.’ Based on your posts, I don’t think even you and a fellow Pakistani like YLH will agree on the proper legal role of religion in Pakistan. So when your people declared a religious state in 1947, what are people to expect about the status of minorities in your country? Of course minorities will be discriminated against. With religious states like yours, this is as certain as death and taxes.

I think the fact that Pakistan’s minority population went from a number approaching 50% (at least in the major cities) before Partition to the current levels of 5-2% (?) while India has always had a diverse peoples speaks volumes about the different types of societies these two countries strive for.

Madam, your country is a land of hate.

sac

{{But there is a perceptible difference in outlook and demeanour. I`ve also noticed that these folks are generally better looking than the average Indian and the women they marry are from Maharashtra(and usually very pretty!!) and non-Sindhi. Is it just my experience or do Sindhis tend to marry outside the clan?}}

This is my personal belief that North Indians--esp Sindhis ,Punjabis & Kashmiris are better looking than most other Indians. I also feel that Pakistanis are overwhelmingly better looking than Indians.

Now before I start a mudslinging match, I just want to say that it is my personal opinion as far as looks are concerned. I dont want to offend anybody, after all beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Its like I feel whites in general are better looking than blacks. Please dont misunderstand me, I`m not being racist--its just my personal opinion, thats all.

Now to answer your question directly: No-In my personal experience within my Sindhi friends, they all married Sindhi girls (who are all very pretty, BTW). I have about 5 very good Sindhi friends. We spent 5& a 1/2 yrs in the hostel during medical school. I dont have any personal experience living in a US dorm, so I`m unable to make comparisons. But if you live with a bunch of guys in a hostel in medical college in India, you become closer to them than your own family. To this day, I`m ashamed to say, they are closer to me than my own 3 brothers.

Of course, all of them had several non Sindhi girlfriends--some of them very intense romances, but they all broke up by the time they were ready to be married. All dutifully married Sindhi girls, chosen by their parents.

I dont know how it is these days, but 20 odd years ago, in India, a doctor was a prize ``catch`` in the ``marriage market``. There was a standing joke. After they all graduated & became doctors, they would actually compare how many marriage offers they got that week! They would also compare notes!! Sentences like ``dont bother seeing her yaar, she has no tits or shes got a huge nose`` etc etc were commonplace then:)

All of us nonSindhis would tease them that their parents would demand 10 lakhs minimum for a dowry. Even though each & everyone of them piously stated that their parents would never stoop to take a dowry-- nobody believed them! Even today we rib their wives ``why in the world did your folks shell out all that money to have you marry this jerk!:)``

But I gotta hand it to them, they can take personal ribbing very well. In fact they are liable to crack ``Sindhi jokes`` more than others. For eg, 2 of my Sindhi friends are prominent cardiologists in Chicago. On top of that they have made an obscene amount of money on the US stock market. One guy builds a $5 milion house in the poshest Chicago suburb. The other guy will turn around & build a $6 million house , just 2 blocks from him. I was ribbing them for this stupid one-upmanship . They both shrugged their shoulders & said ``kya karega yaar, aakhir Sindhi hain na?!``

YLh #

Satyavadi wrote 8-10%

Can you tell me what you tell me what was the percentage of non-Muslims in United Pakistan even after massive migration.

Satyavadi #46

Bhai Tu Bohat Bara, Uuncha aur Pohnvha Hua hai.

Ham Tere Qabil Nahin.

Tu Yahan Kia karna Aya Hai.

Hum Gharibon Ko Chor aur apne Mulk me airconditioned footpath pe bethe Hue logon Ko India Ki Azmat Bata. Unhe bhi abhi tak ye baat Nahi Pata.

Hum ko to teri Azmat Acchi Tarah Maloom Hai.

ylh#50

To whom you are talking.

A Hindu started a lie that witness of non Muslim is half in Pakistani court or in Islam. From the next post it was not only presented as fact but they started maligning us for that.

We have an example for Indians on this board.

``Gobar mein Paddum``.

If you know what it means.