Hidden Hindus

To mohajir, # 367,

Your post represents your biased views about pakistan, and your habit of reading all unimportant news from there. Have you ever been to pakistan, I invite you to come to pakistan, i can take you all over pakistan as I have done to my friend, and you will know that no temples are burnt in pakistan. It is in india that babri masjid is burnt.

If I sound like a typical pakistani, then it is intentional.

krashid Reply # 364

Mohajir Reply # 367

Rashid ji, if you read Mohajir`s reply that itself will explain my defence but I want to tell you a couplet of Sant Kabir ( Have you heard about him and his religious synthesis? ). This couplet applies to most of us (Bilal Ahmad, I exclude because he has reached a higher plane).

It goes like this:-

`Bura jo dekhan main chala bura na milyo koye

Jo mann dekho aapna to mujhse bura na koye`.

I hope you won`t have any problem in understanding this. Otherwise, I will be at your service to explain.

You may not agree but it is true that this kind of philosophy can thrive only in a pluralistic country like India or what you call gutter. So, `Mera Bharat` still remains `Mahhan`

Wish you all the best!

To sb # 339,

J.Krishnamoorthy

Sorry for the delay, my airline is being taken over by another, a sport has to get second priority. It was a couple of decades ago that I read anything by J. Krishnamoorthy, but essentially he maintains that all the books, religions and other ideas corrupt the man/woman and truth and wisdom come only when one is rid of all the ideas from the books, religions, you name it. It is the direct observation and the direct intutive bestowal of knowledge that is the ultimate source of all knowledge.

Once up on a time, in bangalore we attended J. Krishnamoorthys lecture and asked him the question, `` if one has to get rid of all external sources of ideas, why are you spreading this idea, is it not a bias?`. He responded, ``I dont care whether you accept my ideas or not, to me speaking is my prediliction, it is what comes to me naturally, it is my nature, like the charecteristic of anything. I never write any books, it is others who are printing my speaches. So I can say, dont listen to any guru, including myself.`` . I just remebered it after a post to skip the posts.

So in conclusion, read any of his books, thay all talk of not to be influenced by any gurus and keep his above response in mind.

regards

jay.

To chowk staff, # 342

RELEVANCE,

On chowk there are only two types of articles/posts, ` indo-pak and non indo-pak. If you have cared to analyse the responses, you would notice that only the ones with an indo-pak content get the gurnsey. what is there to debate about a good poem. it is good, so what, so was geetangali. It is the indo=pak dimension that gives chowk its vitality, that is what creates and sustains the dialogue, if you choose call it fights, on the chowk.

At any time the diversity of the indo-pak dimension requires three threads devoted to it, and if the chowk staff havnt provided, the chowk wallahs make it. The ultimate test for relevance is the interactions. If you care check the responses to recent article, ``why dot.coms will fail``. It hit nearly 100 responses, only a couple related to the dot.com stuff, the rest were about one jay, accusing a temporal, a pakistani of plagiarism, and the follow on from it. That is indo-pak reality.

If chowk were ever to get a place under the sun, it will not be because of the structured interacts that it facilitated but because of the free flow of opinions and biases that it encouraged.

If one cares to think of the chowk myths, like the k for kafir, the two percent extremists of pakistan and the TNT folklore, the cudos have to go to the imaginative, the iconoclasts and not the pedantic, the spell checkers, the reactive and the what the chowk staff want to have, the stuctured logical school teachers.

Chowk should look for a place under the sun, not follow the book, what ever that might be.

just an after thought , why is that YLH who is so fond of quoting from various books protest against what is written in DAWN or something else.? why cant he extend his argument that all what is written in DAWN which is a pakistani newspaper is not right to the books written by some stanley or some obscure gandhian whom no one had ever heard about ?

and after listening to the often repeated 700000 indian soldiers going on a rampage in kashmir, i had some sleep less nights visualising the 7 lakh soldiers daily zeroing on kashmir, raping, plundering the people? :-)

have u heard of a term called barracks? do you even have a remote knowledge of indian geography and hte fact that kashmir is the most vulnerable point for india bcos of both china and pakistan in its vicinity?

this 700000 figure is a very good one to rant about and to use it in rhetoric , but if u give it a second thought u will find out that it is not

completely true.. and do you think the kashmir seperatist movement would have survived till now if all the 7 lakh soldiers are involved in counter insuregency movement?

wake up to blind rhetoric , my friends .....

Shankar

You are absolutely right... however Turks historically helped us generously against India ..

in the 1965 and the 1971 wars.

It is interesting how secular regimes like Shah and Koruturk were helping us and yet... fundoos in charge in Iran now... and that thug Bulent Ecevet,

once the enemy of Turkey`s secularism are now kissing up to India ...

Urstruly

Turks and Pakistanis have ties that no Government on either side and can break off. Only irresposible fundoos like Qazi or thug prime ministers like Ecevet can undermine them but not for long....

Also, you mentioned Ms Sarwari... the girl is an absolute fireball of Passion for Pakistan. She had contacted me two months ago in Lahore because she wanted to distribute the latest in Networking Lecture tapes in Pakistan. I decided to be a good Pakistani and help her out at the Lahore end. That day all day she worked tirelessly going from LUMS to FAST to Informatics ... I have never ever seen

a more dedicated Pakistani. Seriously the way she commands my respect, no one else does on Chowk.

Yasser Hamdani

Muslim protesters set ablaze buildings belonging to Hindus in a Pakistani town on Wednesday, after a Hindu woman gave away sweetmeats wrapped in paper bearing Islamic verses, police said in Quetta.

They said the protesters, complaining of alleged desecration of the verses from the Koran, set fire to a Hindu temple, three houses and a shop at Dalbandin, in the south-western province of Baluchistan, of which Quetta is the capital.

Local authorities called in the paramilitary Frontier Corps to control the violence, government officials said.

They said the incident erupted after the illiterate Hindu housewife had used pages torn from a school textbook, one of which had Koranic verses, as wrappings.

Some members of the Muslim community held a protest against what they called desecration of the Koranic verses and incited people to attack Hindu properties, the officials said.

They said the situation was brought under control and four people were arrested for the violence.

ylh #357: ``A look on the other board will show you how people like SB are currently making a God out of Gandhi ... typical wont you say?``

Are you refering to this - `Maybe your repeated invocations of Gandhi`s name and actions(as interpreted by you) are to that end? And to save much back and forth later on, let me remind you that you conferred the sainthood on him, equating him to Jesus and Buddha on this site (if only to not compare him with your version of Jinnah), far as I remember none of the Indians did.`?

The Indian govt has no business talking to the MQM. They are a bunch of thugs who have ruined a cosmopolitan city like Karachi. Their parents chose Pakistan for the better or for the worse. They are not representative of the majority of mojharis. Just because that idiot Altaf Hussein says partition was a mistake doesnt mean he`s right.

Most Indians & Pakistanis atleast agree on one thing. India & Pakistan are two separate, distinct countries. In the past 53 years, each country has formed a distinct culture & identity. In fact, let me argue that the cultural & political differences between India & Pakistan are greater than, say the US & Canada.

The next thing the MQM might advocate is reunification or a repatriation of mojharis to India. Nobody in their right minds wants that.

Humsab #360

I really appreciate your humanity.

And the cold blooded murder going on in Kashmir in many names.

There is no parallel between MQM and Kashmiris. MQM was not fighting for their rights for self-determination. Kashmiris are fighting for their right of self-determination.

If you are so convinced about those THUGS CALLED MILITANTS, have a plebiscite in valley to find out the desire of Kashmiri people, whether they are with thugs or PIOUS people.

ylh,

{{ Indians can try but they will never ever have true Turkish loyalty that we enjoy .... Maybe you should try and talk to some Turks .. they will set you straight.... Almost all Turks I know are extremely cordial towards Pakistan and pro Pakistan on Kashmir.}}

Whooptido!!

Whats the big fuss about the Turks? The above is true about most Muslim nations. Push comes to shove they will always side with Pakistan over India. Fat lot of good its done for Pakistan. None of these nations have done more than make polite noises & grunts about Kashmir. You get ``resolutions`` passed about Kashmir at every OIC summit. You might as well use them as toilet paper. Thats about as much impact they have made.

Besides, most of these countries, Pakistan included, have similar human rights skeletons in their closet. So, none of them can talk from a moral pedestal. Of course , most muslim countries absolutely love portraying themselves as innocent victims of Wesern imperial/ zionist/ hindu/ communist oppression--take your pick. Like they are the most humane & civilised societies--give me a break. No Turkish leader has lectured India about Kashmir. We can turn around & tell them what they have done to the Kurds & Armenians.

I`ve come across several Turks in the US. They all have a keen business sense & have become very wealthy in the US. Maybe they like Pakistan (I`ll take your word for it), but that doesnt automatically mean they despise India. They get along very well with us. I have, though ,personally seen them laugh among themselves when they see SAsian muslims leave a party & hurry to the mosque at sunset. I`m not saying this is good or bad, of all muslims Turks seem to be the least religious. I`ll say this--they uniformly dislike Greeks. I cant figure out why, but then I guess they cant figure out why Indians & Pakistanis dislike each other.

Kant Patel 350:

I understand perfectly your concerns.

It would do us well if we rise beyond dogma and indoctrination. Since I loathe shouting pissing matches, I am afraid I cannot elaborate anymore. You will have to read between lines. Here is what I wrote in another interact today.

“As Mahajizardeh said: ‘Pehlay Khuda phir Rasool: pehlay insaan phir musalmaan’ ... this approach can and should be applied to any and all faiths or ideologies with appropriate word changes ..... ‘insaan’ remaining unchanged.``

Re Muslims and Hindus came across this recently:

Yahan tasbeeh ka halqaa wahaaN zannar ka phanda
Aseeri laazmi hay mazhab-e-shaikh-o-brahmin maiN.

regards,

temporal

sarwari #352

It would have been good had you chosen to respond to my reply #47 to you.

Please donot bother if its too inconvenient.

Krashid: # * * * : All boards

Some one some time back was missing Farangikush. You seem to have decided to substitute for that genius.

Your laments are getting increasingly illogical and hate-filled. Take a different track. You have even ceased to irritate. Time for relection.

Satyavadi

krashid

Reply # 355

Thanks for your response. I thought you were ignoring it.

But why have you talked only about MQM and not other movements I mentioned in my earlier response. I believe your statement that you are not Army`s supporter shows that those actions were reprehensible.

Please give me an opportunity to remove your blinkers and tell you that militants in J&k are indulging in same activities as you narrated for MQM. All such movements ultimately reach this depth. After the intial idealist stand which does not survive for long, all the goonda elements get a recruiting ground and then make the movement free for all which enriches a few people and kill many. It is a reported fact that except Yaseen Malik, all others have looted people and have built mansions for themselves.

As for your reported savagery comment, I will only say that militants just need to be killed in as cold-blooded manner as they do with people. Absolutely no mercy on this account. language of love is alien to them and those who are still fresh and wanmt to start a new life find it difficult to retrace their steps back because of reaction from other militants.

RE: YLH #349

Yasser!
You are absolutely right about the feelings of Turks for Pakistan. The first Turk that I met in my life was in US and I was astonished by his warmth and good feelings towards Pak and Pakistanis.

One day I was changing oil in my car on my drive way when a shiney Mercedes stopped by. The well dressed man in the car was looking for an address. After I told him the address he asked me whether I was an Indian or Pakistani. When I told him that I was a Paki, he sprung out of his car and hugged me. He didnt care about his Armani suite or my oil stained clothes and hands. We spoke for about half an hour. The first thing he expressed was his gratitude for the Indian Muslims and Pakis for what their ancestors did for Turkey during Khilafat Movement. He also spoke passionately about Ali Brethern.

It wasnt an isolated instance. After that whenever I meet a Turk I get the same warm, hospitable treatment from each and everyone of them. I found them more passionate about Pakistan than the Pakistanis.

RE: Sarwari

Dear Aisha!

I finally remembered today that you are they same person who wrote ``Fighting in Peace``-what a great writing that was. Though you dont interact much but I am a great admirer of your passion for Pakistan. Please do write for Chowk, and as soon as possible; we desperately need some optimistic writers here. I am so sick and tired of the ranting of these morally bankrupt Commie-turned-liberals whose non-stop cacophony is now getting on my nerves.