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hamidm #73:

....et tu hamidm?....apologise if #64 struck a chord....couldn`t find anything appropriate in that dog-eared Dawood?....don`t blame you for being mortal....I resist throwing quotes around because (1) am busy writing the next ten chapters or (2) my interpretation differs from others .... (3) truth awakens in heart due to awareness not indoctrination...take your pick.....omnia vincit amor nos et cedamus amori...now back to thanksgiving .....t




............. get a grip on yourself ! all the net is good for is ranting and raving and letting your unadulterated incoherent thoughts dribble onto the keyboard and out in garbled bits and bytes to annoy, pester, and irk those who take themselves seriously ........... that is why i resent the pompous temporal so much - he, the pathetic little grammarian, wants us to put a brake on our thoughts .... he wants us - we who don`t care to know the difference between conjunction and preposition - to write perfect english with periods and commas and hyphens and this and that ......... he who stands between us and the cathartic joy of letting it all out in one relieving diarrhetic deluge of words .....


.............. and then there are those who cruise the net looking for love and friendship and godknowswhat .......... `` a bunch of loosers ``, as my seven year old would say ...... get a life, get a dog, get pregnant, or simply get drunk ............ do something - but for god`s sake stop using the net for things that can only be done in flesh and blood ..... can`t stand these.... these perverts ... these voyeurs on the net who are too cheap to give out their credit card numbers, or pay a therapist, and instead lurk in feee chat rooms - looking for love and intimacy and god in all the wrong places ..............



............. did i manage to insult someone out there - good, because that`s what the net is good for ...... nana nana boo boo .........etiquettes should be reserved for the dining room and the ante room - so let`s cut loose on the net and piss off temporal and his soul-mate sadna

HamidM#73

you are ``Temporal Shikan``.

Any way awakening hopeful has come with real prophet Jibran for poor souls like us.

I`m taking out a copyright.

hamidm #73,

tsk tsk tskkkkk....live and let live, everyone has his or her own perspective and priorities.

............. get a grip on yourself ! all the net is good for is ranting and raving and letting your unadulterated incoherent thoughts dribble onto the keyboard and out in garbled bits and bytes to annoy, pester, and irk those who take themselves seriously ........... that is why i resent the pompous temporal so much - he, the pathetic little grammarian, wants us to put a brake on our thoughts .... he wants us - we who don`t care to know the difference between conjunction and preposition - to write perfect english with periods and commas and hyphens and this and that ......... he who stands between us and the cathartic joy of letting it all out in one relieving diarrhetic deluge of words .....

.............. and then there are those who cruise the net looking for love and friendship and godknowswhat .......... `` a bunch of loosers ``, as my seven year old would say ...... get a life, get a dog, get pregnant, or simply get drunk ............ do something - but for god`s sake stop using the net for things that can only be done in flesh and blood ..... can`t stand these.... these perverts ... these voyeurs on the net who are too cheap to give out their credit card numbers, or pay a therapist, and instead lurk in feee chat rooms - looking for love and intimacy and god in all the wrong places ..............

............. did i manage to insult someone out there - good, because that`s what the net is good for ...... nana nana boo boo .........etiquettes should be reserved for the dining room and the ante room - so let`s cut loose on the net and piss off temporal and his soul-mate sadna.....

temporal: I read the House of Vices story from Dawn that you posted. Actually I dont think it is the mullahs alone who should be concerned about the situation, but everyone. I am glad that Dawn decided to report on this. I also have read about some organizations in Pakistan that are trying to bring about prison reforms in Pakistan, but obviously this is not enough.

to maia,

sorry to sound patronizing but Maia, it is important to understand the power of journalism and what it takes to reach the ever evasive totality of truth -

Just reiterating my earlier reply to the author:

``Your article is well written and we do need more people like you in Pakistan uncovering the truth and doing investigative journalism. I have immense respect for people like you who are at least doing their best and actually making a change in their country

But it is absolutely essential that all facts are taken into account before insinuations are made. Good lives of people can be ruined with the touch of a pen. The article is merely a skeleton that needs more data, logic and conclusive proof to back up its accusations``

Most of the people have telltale signs that they will make it big; then hardly very few of them ever do. It is not that most of them start beleiving that they will fail; it is the fact that they fail to beleive in themselves.

Krashid Reply #66

Khalid Ali is the name of the poet.Hope that helps.

Regards

Urstruly #67:

Sab say pehlay ma’azrat. Hum kisi ka dil nahiN dukhana chahtay haiN. Sakht baat thee aur humnay shaaya kuch ziyada hee sakhti say likh dee. Mediocrity kaa tou sawaal hee nahiN paida hota hay.

Agar aap ghore karaiN tou qissa yeh hay key jin baatouN ka asar humari roz murrah ki zindagi par waajbi sa hota hay, hum baRRi shidd o madd say ayataiN aur hadessaiN bayan kar daitay haiN. Laikin oon baatouN ko jin ka humari rozmurrah ki zindagi pay ziyadah asar paRRta hay oos ko hum bilkul nazar andaaz kar daitay haiN. Kiyoun bhala? Allah na karay aap ka koi qareebi aziz jail maiN ho. Laikin humari jailouN maiN jo kuch ho raha hay oos say hum aankh nahiN bachaa sakhtay haiN. Kisi bhee zindah maa’shray kay liyay yeh buhat ma’ayoub baat hogi kay aisi harkatouN say oos kay paRRhay likhay hazrat bhee haath dhou baithaiN.

Aur oos mal’oun say muqabla kar kay aap nay ghaliban na’danistagi main humaiN aur dookh pohnchaya hay.

aapka,

temporal

RE: Temporal # 64

t!
Resist the temptation of mediocrity.

I hope you have heard this story before.

Once upon a time there was a man named Jay........... well you know the story from start to end....don`t you?

Musafir #65

Who is the poet.

Jinhe Hukm Qatal Mila Agar

Jinhe Ajr-e Qatal Mila Nahin

Dear Zeejah,

Thanks for sharing.Its true sometime you gain more than what you deserve and sometime you loose all what you got. Isn`t this a strange thing? I don`t want to believe in hate on the net but its possible since I saw it myself so close that I was not aware of it myself. My own half was in love and I was not aware of being hated at the same time. My own kainaat was slipping away and I didn`t know. My suraj was setting but no hope for chand nor sitara`s. Anyway, I hope it bring happiness and joy to everyone. Again, very kind of you to make them aware of all the possiblities.All the best in every walk of life and hope to see you around with more articles.Take care

Regards

tumhe.n kyaa Khabar ke mai.n kaun huu.N

mere qaatilo.n se hii se puuchh lo

ji.nhe.n hukm-e-qatl milaa magar

ji.nhe.n ajr-e-qatl milaa nahii.n

Comments welcome from anyone.

Specially from the Qur`an thumping, hadith quoting, Ayatollah-Maulana following Jannati Brigade of the Me-Muslim-you-duck crowd.

Two questions:

1: This time what quotations/narrations would you share with us?

and

2: What can YOU really do about this?

``The house of vices`` at

http://www.dawn.com/2000/10/04/fea.htm#1

anxiously waiting,

---t

Awakening Hopeful #60:

[....used this time to me in your post.....]
---(slap on the wrist) ....apologise if I was rude .... don’t remember though.

All right, will stick to simple(r) words ---- really ----- promise not to throw Ghalib’s difficult couplets or the near Persian lines from Noon Meem Rashid.

[...spent most of my childhood on the west coast ....]
---you don’t know what you missed --- scout has vividly described it in her response recently the winter magic of the Eastern sea board.

[... nomad of sorts...] and the Whitman quotes remind me of: “My life is a special Ali Baba`s cave full of old friends, books, memories, incidents and experiences. When I feel like hitting the `pause` button on life, I say the magic words ``khul jaa sim sim`` and am instantly transformed to another world. Was born a few thousand years back. Have floated like a cloud since....collecting flavours and smells and colours mostly from Europe and mid or western Asia. Over the last few years am regurgitating all those thoughts, experiences and feelings into a cohesive outlook; the Devi of success is at best elusive. Someday, before I float away again, this will crystallize.”

more such thoughts at:

http://www.chowk.com/people/Tools/cc_printhome.cgi?temporal

If you have registered for an email address with hotmail, or yahoo drop in a line through the address on this page. Anonymity can be fun ;)

[...pool of water ....]
---Am sure Lake Ontario has been described many ways but never as a pool of water. LOL.

[makes you sound like a very secure person with this type of ``enclosure`` habit of yours of circumventing your lake. (Hint to my profession...) ]
---Now this is an interesting observation. Are you an amateur or do you also charge by the minute? Here is a thought. If I am ‘secure’ enough I can wait till the answer appears on its own volition. Or it mayn’t appear at all. It shouldn’t matter in the least.

But to be truthful am just a normal secure person whose flood-gates of tolerance sometimes burst open by intransigence, intolerance, stupidness, or pure bigotry and hatred AND (of course) abuse of the language.


[Sometimes we miss what we NEED to ingratiate inner satisfaction for ourselves written from someone else`s hand that heals us.]
---if I understand it correctly this is profound but am not sure. Please elaborate.


[I hope that each writer will contribute to the collective whole of the readers here on Chowk, and make us all better people and citizens in our respective societies.]
---This I reciprocate fully. And thanks.

regards,

temporal

gfm #20 Good job in providing Mr. Mughal`s phone number to Mr. Shakir so he can listen to a different point of view than that of PTCL bureaucrats. :-)

I remember many years ago I took a job interview with the state government of Michigan at our university placement office. The interviewer from the state government posed the following question: ``Suppose you are working for the Michigan state government and VW applies for building an auto plant in Michigan. How would you handle it?`` Having just spent an year training with the Pakistan civil service, my (very poor) response was: I would reject it, since if there were any good investment opportunities they should be given to Michigan firms like GM or Ford. The interviewer gently informed me that the correct answer would be to give them a big welcome since the more investors there are, the more competition there is, the better off the people of Michigan would be.

I have reflected on that interview a number of times in the intervening years, and realize the wisdom behind the interviewer`s viewpoint. Here are some illustrations:

(a) Even an advanced country like Germany was lagging behind in the telecom (and in IT generally) due to a slow-moving Deutsche Telecomm. Then Deutsche Telecomm was privatized. And now things are a lot different and DT is busy expanding as I understand it (having recently completed the very public purchase of a key US tech firm, Voicestream). (b) Another example: the reason Finland is the world leader in wireless telephones is that in the 1930`s they privatized their radio stations and Finland had 40 private stations and has remained very dynamic in this field.

(c) Closer home, in a different sector, the commercial banking sector of Pakistan was a progressive and thriving sector until Bhutto killed the goose that laid the golden eggs by nationalizing it. Trying to undo that, as with the Muslim Commercial Bank is a long and painful process (but well worth it, since MCB I understand is doing much better after privatization).

Shakir sahib`s viewpoint (never mind the lack of figures and all that you and I have already pointed out to him) reminds me of the same inward looking mentality that infect Pakistan (and indeed most third world country).

I agree that one needs to make sure that we need a good regulatory framework along with privatization, but I dont think the Pakistani civil service can do it, given its current mindset and incentives structure. They are trying to fix that by improving government pay scales, so let us see.