Al-Quds Divided: The Politics of Hatred

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I cannot believe that people here actually believe in the so-called ``peace process``; it is the biggest sham in history and almost a total climb down from Yasser Arafat. What has he achieved so far?

There is only one way to get rid of this problem--either destroy or be destroyed. Admitedly the Ummah is not yet in a position to take on Israel directly (as it is backed by USA) but by adopting the methodology of Hamas and Hizbullah the Muslims can at least bleed Israel dry via another Intifada until the time in the future, and Allah knows how far or near, when the Mahdi alayhi salaam appears to rid the world of this irritant cancer in the heart of the Muslim World for ever.

It is time to show solidarity with the martyrs of Palestine not discuss ``peace``. The british journalist Robert Fisk of the Independent Newspaper (www.independent.co.uk) tells the unbiased truth of the situation and all those interested in the brutal realities of the Zionist occupation and the sham of the so-called ``peace process`` should read his columns.

I am wondering--cannot Musharraf offer the Palestinians any help--if the ISI can fund the mujahideen in Kashmir, why not those in Palestine (via Jordan - or Iran/Lebanon/Syria) with weapons like rocket launchers..? I tell you, the day Pakistan gets an Islamic government, the liberation of Al Quds al Shareef will not be far away, insha Allah...

Meanwhile all the Muslim countries should totally boycott the Zionist state and the Saudis should use the oil weapon against the Masters of Israel, the US of A...

Also visit www.hamas.org

It is important to remember that Palestine is not only an Arab problem, it is an Islamic problem and until the leaders realise this it cannot be solved.

We must not get disheartened; we must remember the glorious battle of Al-Khaybar and let it inspire us and we should remind the Zionists of the fate of the Bani Qurayza afterwards..

I end with a hadith:



Book 041, Number 6985: [SahiH Muslim]

Abu Huraira reported Allah`s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The

last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the

Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a

tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew

behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree

of the Jews.

re krashid

your point

`6- America is a broker and umpire, but is partial and one sided.`

If I recollect accurately, the PLO and Israel BOTH agreed for the US to be the broker. If both parties didn`t think the umpire would be neutral, they should`ve gotten a more neutral refree like, say, SYria or Iraq.

The larger context of the problem is, of course, that since time immemorial the radical Arabs(as opposed to the reasonable ones) have envied the relationship between Israel and the USA. They cannot understand it and, hence, make mistake after mistake in trying to fracture it with stupid comments. The United States, people and government alike, consider Israel a friend and a kindred democracy in a sea of, well, rather medieval dictatorships. As long as that image does not change, Israel will remain on the minds and hearts of America. No amount of criticism towards the media or the bigotry towards ``Jewish`` influences is going to change that. If Arabs and Palestinians want to garner the friendship and respect of the US at par with Israel, they have to do the hard thing: shape up, civilise, and enter the community of tolerant, democratic societies where blowing up airplanes and ships is universally condemned and anti-semitism looked down upon.

An interesting article on the Israel/Palestine Conflict. Role of US in Fiasco. Thought i should share with the learned people. here..

Asim

Stop the violence or we stop the aid



By Greg Jerrett

Iowa State Daily

Friday, October 13, 2000.

The current situation in Israel has been going on for decades and will

likely go on for decades more. While the violence in the Middle East is

shocking, what is more shocking is the typical lack of concern most

Americans show for it.

Americans are more concerned with how the violence will affect the stock

market than how many Palestinians are murdered.

Two things happened yesterday to make an already complex situation more

arcane for America.

Two Israeli soldiers took a wrong turn into Ramallah, West Bank, and after

failing to find refuge with Palestinian police, were killed by a mob while

the cameras captured every gruesome detail of the lynching.

Israel, of course, retaliated by brutally murdering a whole host of

Palestinians, bombing radio stations and an ambulance while the cameras

captured every brutal detail of the slaughter.

During a routine refueling in a Yemeni harbor on the Arabian Peninsula, a

40-foot hole was ripped in the side of the USS Cole in what the major news

networks are calling an act of terrorism.

According to Associated Press, President Clinton urged the Israelis and

Palestinians to set aside their hatred, return to the peace talks and “stop

the bloodshed, to restore calm.”

Meanwhile, the other side of his mouth was saying those responsible for

“what now appears to be an act of terrorism” against our Navy will be found

and held accountable.

In a CNN interview, Senator John McCain spoke with barely-contained anger as

he gave his word that the craven cowards who attacked a defenseless American

warship would pay dearly for this affront.

Americans find it so easy to counsel patience to countries they view as

inferior. We tell the Palestinians and Israelis to not act emotionally under

circumstances we cannot begin to fathom.

What is worse, is we tend to lay everything at the feet of the Palestinians

while forgiving our “friend” Israel.

Well, our friend Israel is a nasty piece of work, and it is high time

Americans realized that.

Our friend Israel is like that friend who hangs up on us for calling at

midnight then calls back at 3 a.m. for a favor. Israel is the kind of friend

who takes and takes aid from us, talks smack about us behind our backs, then

blows off our birthday every year.

Our relationship with Israel defies analogy, but this one works: with

friends like Israel, who needs Nazis?

Our relationship began as many relationships do out of pity. We felt sorry

for the atrocities of World War II, who wouldn’t?

Jews around the world were looking for their own state to ensure that no one

would ever brutalize their people again the way the Germans did in that war.

We were eager to help. We pushed for an independent Jewish state in

Palestine with the help of the British and without considering the people

who were living there.

No American worth his salt would tolerate another country carving up his

land to make room for what amounted to foreigners, yet we expected the

Palestinians to take it in stride. More than likely we just didn’t care.

And we still don’t care.

Most people think of Palestinians and terrorists as interchangeable. Yasser

Arafat isn’t accorded the respect of a world leader in the minds of the

average American.

Americans are stuck in a pathetic 1970s mindframe when it comes to world

politics and most don’t want to change.

Well, it is time for a change. When Israelis murder Palestinians, let’s not

call it a “limited action.” Let’s not act all shocked and horrified when two

soldiers are killed in a war their country started.

Blood cries out for blood, this cannot be denied. We call for the heads of

those who attack us, and are we not civilized?

We can expect no less from our friends in Palestine.

Perhaps the United States should lead by example in this case. Rather than

assuming what happened to the Cole was terrorism, let’s give the people of

Yemen the benefit of the doubt — at least until the forensic evidence comes

in.

And when it does, we should set aside bloodshed and thoughts of revenge to

show our angry friends in Israel and Palestine just how easy it is to

overcome hatred in the name of peace, even if that peace means taking one

for the team.

But we can no longer expect Palestinians to lay down and die like good,

little victims when they are being slaughtered by the Israelis.

Americans can no longer afford to be so naive as to wonder why we are hated

in parts of the Middle East. We got on the wrong side, and we stayed on the

wrong side.

Our friends inIsrael are killing rock-wielding Palestinians with our

weapons. We gave them the choppers and the missiles, and it is time for us

to tell Israel enough is enough. Stop the violence, or we stop the aid.

Maybe when Israelis are fighting rocks with rocks, peace will suddenly seem

like a good idea to them

We are in USA, where the propaganda for Israel is superior. Even then, sometimes to show their FAIRNESS few things which come to light are.

1- The INNOCENT ISRAELI soldiers were killed. (comment or laugh).

2- The peace process is one sided where they are just harping on peace process and not the content of peace accord.

3- Like a Palestinian said that Jews are free to go to their homeland, while an American Palestinian is not allowed to return to Palestine.

4- Almost all the nation of the world were unanimous in condemning Israel for their atrocities except America.

5- The Palestinians have already yielded enough in peace process and Arafat cannot face his people if he yields further.

All the Arab countries who had diplomatic relations with Israel have recalled their ambassador from Israel.

6- America is a broker and umpire, but is partial and one sided.

Re fairdinkum

I am re-gurgitating and memorizing and what are you doing? Churning out a brand new PhD thesis full of the most original ideas in the world? Pal, this cuts both ways!

Scout:

Remember the images of that child?

A sharp amd perceptive piece reading between the lines of the media coverage and analyising and lamenting from his view point. (This is the same media that tires not of using `moderate` before most mention of news from Saudi Amreeka, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait and other tailer waggers.)

Western media`s biases

Dr Muzaffar Iqbal

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2000-daily/13-10-2000/oped/o1.htm

love,

t

RE: krashid# 78

Dear Rashid!

A very good analysis of the situation and you have drawn the right conclusions. I picked the following up from a Kashmiri site:

``The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people``

Martin Luther King - Nobel Prize Winner

re fairdinkum #80:

Forgive sigalph235. Remember we are all ignorant--only about different things.

later

-sac

P.S: I gathered you`ve moved to Australia. Hope things are going well.

sigalph235 #79

Thanks for your penetrating analysis, and your enlightening thoughts. I admire your memory, and your ability to regurgitate the arguments you have memorized.

The inability of Arafat to control his mobs only goes to show how wrong Clinton and his cronies have been in theoretically agreeing to a future PLO state. These people couldn`t run a barnyard, let alone a state. One cannot but blame Israel for falling for the Clinton promises of PLO good behaviour. These thugs cannot even control their own `police` and they want us to believe that they can protect Al-Quds?

They way out of the violence is simple though not easy: the Israeli government, with or without a Clinton nod, should make it very clear that it will hold the PLO brass accountable for every second of violence. If nothing else works, it is time to establish the peace by re-establishing Israeli administration in the PLO areas. Then the ISraelis can negotiate with honest partners i.e. Jordan etc.

Jewish are the chosen people of God. And although they have been in Diaspora, for milleniums, but their books locate Israel as their motherland where they migrated from Pharoah`s wrath and established their first kingdom.

And this land is in their religious psyche. In the world inspite of all setbacks, due to their superior intelligence and due to repeated genocide eliminating the weaker part of their community, they have proven themselves to be the most intelligent and sharp people. In the late nineteenth century, I think they started a movement of Zionism for the creation of Israel. The money was funded by many including Rothschild, one of the most influential person and banker in England. With his connection with rulers, he was able to convince the British for the creation of Israel. The Zionist fought valiantly for the creation of their homeland, mainly dispossessing farmers from their land. They either paid money for land or forcibly took hold of it. Ultimately they were able to form a nation, I think in 1948 (or 49). (This is a jewish version of events).

On the palestinian side. They were dispossessed of their land, by force or by money and in some instances killed by foreign settlers. They were living in that land for generations which was captured by Jewish settlers mostly from east European Origin.

Another point from Europeans. Since they felt ashamed of their atrocities to jews, they helped in the creation of Israel. There is another version, that because of mischievious nature of jews, they did not want to settle them in Europe, so the creation of Israel.

Whichever version is true. In current times how can anyone justify the grabbing of land by European (mostly) settlers, dispossessing the local people of their land and their Government.

If might is right. Then only might can prevail. And so the need for resistance movements. It does not need a lot of reading to see around us, that to fight the usurper, resistance movement is the only way. It can take many forms, like education, economic upliftment or armed struggle. But one thing is clear, not to yield to usurpers in whatever pretext, whether it is the superpower or a satellite of a superpower.

Is war in Middle East imminent?

Israeli PM Ehud Barak is to form an emergency government, which will include the right wing Likud party whose leader, Ariel Sharon, has been blamed for triggering the recent wave of violent demonstrations when he visited the second holiest shrine of Muslims in Jerusalem. Yesterday, Israeli forces attacked several “security” targets inside Palestinian administered territories. The attacks were to punish the Palestinian “authorities” for the murders of two Israeli soldiers who were killed by an angry mob inside a police station (under Palestinian control) in Ramla. Israelis allege that Palestinian police “probably” collaborated with the mob, and hence the missile attacks on several key targets including the headquarters of Palestinian authority, the seat of Mr. Yasser Arafat. Several targets in West bank and Gaza strip were also hit. Palestinians could only throw stones or fire from Ak-47 assault rifles, but they are not match to the sophisticated weaponry used by Israel. Mr. Arafat called these attacks by Israel an act of war.
Israelis say that Palestinians have been attacking them (Israelis) for the past two weeks. As one Israeli Major puts it, “we are under terrorist attacks from Palestinians, the only language these people (Palestinians) understand is the language of force.”

Bill Clinton condemned the killings of two Israeli solders, but did not mention Israeli revenge attacks. George W Bush, and Algore both asked Palestinians to stop the violence against Israel immediately.

A small boat packed with explosives rammed a US naval destroyer in Yemen killing at least four US personnel on board. Clinton said that it was a cowardly act designed to deter US from promoting “peace” and “stability” in Middle East.

Oil prices hit an all time high as a result of deteriorating situation in Middle East.

Jordan and Egypt (two key US allies in the region) refused to cooperate with US until a joint Arab strategy for the current Middle East crisis is arrived at.

Are we heading for another war in the Middle East?

Will US get involved (directly or Indirectly)?

Was the whole crisis carefully planned by Israeli right wing?

Or was Mr. Arafat who out of sheer frustration decided to mobilize Palestinians to get what he wants – an independent Palestinian state?

What repercussions a war in Middle East, involving all Arab/Muslim nations, and possibly US is likely to have on the new world order?

scout #73 Good one. Your past misdeeds are hereby stricken off (``stricken off`` is a valid phrase, so dont think of picking on it).

scout #74 I missed that one (Chowk takes up too much of my strictly budgeted time for net-surfing).

tahmed #68,

the onion ruless!

Remember this one?

``Clinton Chastises Hillary For Failure to Produce Male Heir``

Hismajesty #69, ``How would you expect the other Muslim states to react to this bolony.``

You spelled baloney wrong. That error invalidates your whole post. Dumbo.