Al-Quds Divided: The Politics of Hatred

tahmed 321

post#55

Good point.

However, how can the Palestinians improve their socio-economic condition when they are continually dominated & oppressed by the Israelis?

The same argument can be applied to African-Americans. Because of the hard won advances in the civil rights movement, have millions of them elevated to the middle class.

A majority of the black politicians & policy makers today are the products of MLK`s civil rights movement.

It is disheartening to see that while all this is going on in the Middle East, the US is disengaged. The extract below from a recent newspaper article is quite revealing:

``Continued Clinton: ``Who really cares what I do from now on, anyway? In, like, three weeks I`ll be a lame duck, and then everyone will start to ignore me...`` Clinton`s lackadaisical attitude has upset many in his administration. ``He`s still the leader of the free world,`` Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said, ``and he still has responsibilities. The Palestinians and Israelis are at it again, and he hasn`t done his homework in that area at all...``

Shankar #65 I think there are people in far worse situations than the Palestinians who are determined to make something of themselves. As for the African-Americans, I think three-quarters of the world`s population living in other places would willingly trade places with them. In some places, I have seen high school children studying intently from a pile of books in one-room homes with dirt floors and virtually nothing else, and with parents who have no standing in the society around them. These children have dreams for which those with far greater opportunities and economic situations are too busy whining to have any time. And God is with them.

My post on Clinton was a joke, incidentally (taken from theonion.com)

Your majesty(#69) speaks the truth. But why stop with Islamic Unity, Highness? Why not open your heart to other members of the Human Family?

RE: tahmad321 # 70

The club is all inclusive-all you have to do is to obey the rules of the club.

Aeisha # 490

Unfortunately, none of those lengthy articles you quoted reflect the reality in India. If there`s so much of oppression sponsored by the government and your weirdly classified hindians etc., why`s there no one protesting en masse?

Whether its the Tamilians, keralites, kannadigas or gults, none of them have asked for independence or started any movement to that effect. Proof of the pie is in eating. Don`t you see that. What you don`t see is their immense contribution to India as a whole. Whether it be Kargill heights, economic development and government sector, they have all contributed equally if not more.

Oh, and one more thing, I`ve lived in those parts of India. Being a North Indian, I never felt, saw or experienced any bitterness from the people of these various states.

I`m afraid, the reality at your own home country is so baffling that the only recourse you are left to is try to find the same weaknesses in India, which are non-existent.

Adios

Hismajesty #69, ``How would you expect the other Muslim states to react to this bolony.``

You spelled baloney wrong. That error invalidates your whole post. Dumbo.

tahmed #68,

the onion ruless!

Remember this one?

``Clinton Chastises Hillary For Failure to Produce Male Heir``

scout #74 I missed that one (Chowk takes up too much of my strictly budgeted time for net-surfing).

scout #73 Good one. Your past misdeeds are hereby stricken off (``stricken off`` is a valid phrase, so dont think of picking on it).

Is war in Middle East imminent?

Israeli PM Ehud Barak is to form an emergency government, which will include the right wing Likud party whose leader, Ariel Sharon, has been blamed for triggering the recent wave of violent demonstrations when he visited the second holiest shrine of Muslims in Jerusalem. Yesterday, Israeli forces attacked several “security” targets inside Palestinian administered territories. The attacks were to punish the Palestinian “authorities” for the murders of two Israeli soldiers who were killed by an angry mob inside a police station (under Palestinian control) in Ramla. Israelis allege that Palestinian police “probably” collaborated with the mob, and hence the missile attacks on several key targets including the headquarters of Palestinian authority, the seat of Mr. Yasser Arafat. Several targets in West bank and Gaza strip were also hit. Palestinians could only throw stones or fire from Ak-47 assault rifles, but they are not match to the sophisticated weaponry used by Israel. Mr. Arafat called these attacks by Israel an act of war.
Israelis say that Palestinians have been attacking them (Israelis) for the past two weeks. As one Israeli Major puts it, “we are under terrorist attacks from Palestinians, the only language these people (Palestinians) understand is the language of force.”

Bill Clinton condemned the killings of two Israeli solders, but did not mention Israeli revenge attacks. George W Bush, and Algore both asked Palestinians to stop the violence against Israel immediately.

A small boat packed with explosives rammed a US naval destroyer in Yemen killing at least four US personnel on board. Clinton said that it was a cowardly act designed to deter US from promoting “peace” and “stability” in Middle East.

Oil prices hit an all time high as a result of deteriorating situation in Middle East.

Jordan and Egypt (two key US allies in the region) refused to cooperate with US until a joint Arab strategy for the current Middle East crisis is arrived at.

Are we heading for another war in the Middle East?

Will US get involved (directly or Indirectly)?

Was the whole crisis carefully planned by Israeli right wing?

Or was Mr. Arafat who out of sheer frustration decided to mobilize Palestinians to get what he wants – an independent Palestinian state?

What repercussions a war in Middle East, involving all Arab/Muslim nations, and possibly US is likely to have on the new world order?

Jewish are the chosen people of God. And although they have been in Diaspora, for milleniums, but their books locate Israel as their motherland where they migrated from Pharoah`s wrath and established their first kingdom.

And this land is in their religious psyche. In the world inspite of all setbacks, due to their superior intelligence and due to repeated genocide eliminating the weaker part of their community, they have proven themselves to be the most intelligent and sharp people. In the late nineteenth century, I think they started a movement of Zionism for the creation of Israel. The money was funded by many including Rothschild, one of the most influential person and banker in England. With his connection with rulers, he was able to convince the British for the creation of Israel. The Zionist fought valiantly for the creation of their homeland, mainly dispossessing farmers from their land. They either paid money for land or forcibly took hold of it. Ultimately they were able to form a nation, I think in 1948 (or 49). (This is a jewish version of events).

On the palestinian side. They were dispossessed of their land, by force or by money and in some instances killed by foreign settlers. They were living in that land for generations which was captured by Jewish settlers mostly from east European Origin.

Another point from Europeans. Since they felt ashamed of their atrocities to jews, they helped in the creation of Israel. There is another version, that because of mischievious nature of jews, they did not want to settle them in Europe, so the creation of Israel.

Whichever version is true. In current times how can anyone justify the grabbing of land by European (mostly) settlers, dispossessing the local people of their land and their Government.

If might is right. Then only might can prevail. And so the need for resistance movements. It does not need a lot of reading to see around us, that to fight the usurper, resistance movement is the only way. It can take many forms, like education, economic upliftment or armed struggle. But one thing is clear, not to yield to usurpers in whatever pretext, whether it is the superpower or a satellite of a superpower.

The inability of Arafat to control his mobs only goes to show how wrong Clinton and his cronies have been in theoretically agreeing to a future PLO state. These people couldn`t run a barnyard, let alone a state. One cannot but blame Israel for falling for the Clinton promises of PLO good behaviour. These thugs cannot even control their own `police` and they want us to believe that they can protect Al-Quds?

They way out of the violence is simple though not easy: the Israeli government, with or without a Clinton nod, should make it very clear that it will hold the PLO brass accountable for every second of violence. If nothing else works, it is time to establish the peace by re-establishing Israeli administration in the PLO areas. Then the ISraelis can negotiate with honest partners i.e. Jordan etc.

sigalph235 #79

Thanks for your penetrating analysis, and your enlightening thoughts. I admire your memory, and your ability to regurgitate the arguments you have memorized.

re fairdinkum #80:

Forgive sigalph235. Remember we are all ignorant--only about different things.

later

-sac

P.S: I gathered you`ve moved to Australia. Hope things are going well.