Udayakumar October 7, 2000
#19 Posted by ylh on October 9, 2000 1:52:34 pm
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#18 Posted by jagdeep on October 9, 2000 1:52:34 pm
Re: Udaykumar
There are lot more `Ariel Morons` than the 4 the author has listed and among the living ones a very large number belong to the land of `mother of democracies`. It would have been much more relevant if the author had mentioned some of these instead of repeating the ones which are mentioned day in and day out any way. That way it might have possible to make a connection between the issue he has raised and the Ariel Morons really resposible for it.
There are lot more `Ariel Morons` than the 4 the author has listed and among the living ones a very large number belong to the land of `mother of democracies`. It would have been much more relevant if the author had mentioned some of these instead of repeating the ones which are mentioned day in and day out any way. That way it might have possible to make a connection between the issue he has raised and the Ariel Morons really resposible for it.
#17 Posted by ylh on October 9, 2000 1:52:34 pm
I dont think Articles like these do much for the cause of Palestinians ... a rational more factual analysis of the situation would do much better...
Let us analyze your argument by taking the example of an accepted Saint ... though his methods are not admired, Gandhi`s intentions are accepted to be sincere.
Keeping my own views about Gandhi aside ... let us analyze Gandhi in your own analysis ... the basic premise is that Gandhi was not an ``Ariel Moron`` ... the basic premise is that Gandhi was a true humanitarian... let us accept this on a hypothetical plane so that we can effectively counter your own definitions....
1)Ariel Morons tend to be mostly political ``leaders`` or religious ``reverends`` (although you can find them in every walk of life).
Gandhi was a political and religio political leader.
2)Ariel Morons have an insatiable craving for power and control, and popularity and spotlight.
People can argue that some of Gandhi`s actions clearly betray his urge to do so. This opens an another argument... how can we so confidently make judgements about someone`s personality.
3)Ariel Morons have an obsession with their God-forsaken history, heritage, holiness and other such ----``
Gandhi spoke again and again of the ancient wisdom of India ... of Ancient Hindu philosophy and the wisdom.. Gandhi seeked his inspiration from ancient Vedic Philosophy ... Gandhi spoke of the heritage that was 4000 years old.
4)Ariel Morons are surrounded by more Ariel Morons
I believe that this is a matter of perspective.
5)Ariel Morons, being brainless and heartless, cannot think and feel about the repercussions of their moronity.
One might argue, as most objective Historians have, that the Non cooperation Movement and Gandhi jee`s support led to the rise of the revivalist Movements and also incidents like the Jalianwalla Massacre and later the Chaura Chauri incident. It also effectively isolated the educated Secular Muslim elite like Mr Jinnah and others and also secular Hindu elite like CR Das from the National movement and the Congress. One might even argue that it was ultimately the break between the secular Muslim elite and Mr Gandhi that eventually led to partition. Ofcourse it is again a matter of perspective.
6) Ariel Morons can create havoc and get innocent people killed for selfish reasons
Jallianwallah massacre can be argued to be one such incident.
So you see Gandhi jee fits perfectly in your analysis of an ariel Moron ... but the truth is that he wasnt. Yes I personally dont like his leadership style but I have no reason to doubt his intentions .... maybe it helps not to look at History from a theatrical perspective ... and then doing a senseless pyschoanalysis. I believe that History and Politics is a conflict of Interest.
So why is Hitler a difference case all together... yes I agree he, Stalin and Polpot do qualify as a ariel Morons (Mussolini just qualifies as stupid) but they do so without any clear conflict... there is a fine line which sets them apart from leaders like Napoleon or Bismarck
let alone Gandhi or anyone else.
Your article might sound touching sir, but it is a great disservice to the cause of Israel because it leaves out of the equation the passions of Nationalism and religion ... it is wrong to blame individuals (except in the case of Hitler) for National will is what makes a leader......
Like I said Zionism is a great ideology ... it is when it is exploited that it becomes a problem...
the same thing sets apart Islam from fundamentalism, RSS`s Hinduism from Gandhi`s Hinduism....
Instead of pointing fingers and deciding rather uselessly that who is a true ariel moron (though I like the word you have invented as pun to the Israeli guy`s name) and who is not....
let us recognize the right cause of the Palestinian people and their demand ...
Maybe that day you will write an article in the support of the Kashmiri cause as well.
Pakistan Zindabad
Let us analyze your argument by taking the example of an accepted Saint ... though his methods are not admired, Gandhi`s intentions are accepted to be sincere.
Keeping my own views about Gandhi aside ... let us analyze Gandhi in your own analysis ... the basic premise is that Gandhi was not an ``Ariel Moron`` ... the basic premise is that Gandhi was a true humanitarian... let us accept this on a hypothetical plane so that we can effectively counter your own definitions....
1)Ariel Morons tend to be mostly political ``leaders`` or religious ``reverends`` (although you can find them in every walk of life).
Gandhi was a political and religio political leader.
2)Ariel Morons have an insatiable craving for power and control, and popularity and spotlight.
People can argue that some of Gandhi`s actions clearly betray his urge to do so. This opens an another argument... how can we so confidently make judgements about someone`s personality.
3)Ariel Morons have an obsession with their God-forsaken history, heritage, holiness and other such ----``
Gandhi spoke again and again of the ancient wisdom of India ... of Ancient Hindu philosophy and the wisdom.. Gandhi seeked his inspiration from ancient Vedic Philosophy ... Gandhi spoke of the heritage that was 4000 years old.
4)Ariel Morons are surrounded by more Ariel Morons
I believe that this is a matter of perspective.
5)Ariel Morons, being brainless and heartless, cannot think and feel about the repercussions of their moronity.
One might argue, as most objective Historians have, that the Non cooperation Movement and Gandhi jee`s support led to the rise of the revivalist Movements and also incidents like the Jalianwalla Massacre and later the Chaura Chauri incident. It also effectively isolated the educated Secular Muslim elite like Mr Jinnah and others and also secular Hindu elite like CR Das from the National movement and the Congress. One might even argue that it was ultimately the break between the secular Muslim elite and Mr Gandhi that eventually led to partition. Ofcourse it is again a matter of perspective.
6) Ariel Morons can create havoc and get innocent people killed for selfish reasons
Jallianwallah massacre can be argued to be one such incident.
So you see Gandhi jee fits perfectly in your analysis of an ariel Moron ... but the truth is that he wasnt. Yes I personally dont like his leadership style but I have no reason to doubt his intentions .... maybe it helps not to look at History from a theatrical perspective ... and then doing a senseless pyschoanalysis. I believe that History and Politics is a conflict of Interest.
So why is Hitler a difference case all together... yes I agree he, Stalin and Polpot do qualify as a ariel Morons (Mussolini just qualifies as stupid) but they do so without any clear conflict... there is a fine line which sets them apart from leaders like Napoleon or Bismarck
let alone Gandhi or anyone else.
Your article might sound touching sir, but it is a great disservice to the cause of Israel because it leaves out of the equation the passions of Nationalism and religion ... it is wrong to blame individuals (except in the case of Hitler) for National will is what makes a leader......
Like I said Zionism is a great ideology ... it is when it is exploited that it becomes a problem...
the same thing sets apart Islam from fundamentalism, RSS`s Hinduism from Gandhi`s Hinduism....
Instead of pointing fingers and deciding rather uselessly that who is a true ariel moron (though I like the word you have invented as pun to the Israeli guy`s name) and who is not....
let us recognize the right cause of the Palestinian people and their demand ...
Maybe that day you will write an article in the support of the Kashmiri cause as well.
Pakistan Zindabad
#16 Posted by ViBe on October 9, 2000 4:48:36 am
Extremely valid point. One has to be the most heartless, spineless and hideous creature to deliberately cause discomfort to children or hurt them let alone to show them the ugly face of death.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - misery in a child`s life caused by Ariel Morons.
Nice article!!!.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - misery in a child`s life caused by Ariel Morons.
Nice article!!!.
#15 Posted by ViBe on October 9, 2000 4:48:36 am
Extremely valid point. One has to be the most heartless, spineless and hideous creature to deliberately cause discomfort to children or hurt them let alone to show them the ugly face of death.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - it showed a child in distress.
Nice article!!!.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - it showed a child in distress.
Nice article!!!.
#14 Posted by ahmadb on October 9, 2000 4:48:36 am
UNSC RESOLUTION
According to the News (October 9, 2000): “With the United States abstaining, the Security Council approved a resolution condemning the ``excessive use of force`` that has left over 80 Palestinians dead.”
“[E]xcessive use of force”? How does the UN Universal Human Rights Declaration define excessive used of force? Any comment? For details, see:
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2000-daily/09-10-2000/main/main1.htm
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
According to the News (October 9, 2000): “With the United States abstaining, the Security Council approved a resolution condemning the ``excessive use of force`` that has left over 80 Palestinians dead.”
“[E]xcessive use of force”? How does the UN Universal Human Rights Declaration define excessive used of force? Any comment? For details, see:
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2000-daily/09-10-2000/main/main1.htm
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
#13 Posted by ViBe on October 9, 2000 4:45:28 am
Extremely valid point. One has to be the most heartless, spineless and hideous creature to deliberately cause discomfort to children or hurt them let alone to show them the ugly face of death.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - misery in a child`s life caused by Ariel Morons.
Nice article!!!.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - misery in a child`s life caused by Ariel Morons.
Nice article!!!.
#12 Posted by ViBe on October 9, 2000 4:45:28 am
Extremely valid point. One has to be the most heartless, spineless and hideous creature to deliberately cause discomfort to children or hurt them let alone to show them the ugly face of death.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - it showed a child in distress.
Nice article!!!.
Of all the poignant movies i have seen over the years, the one that really moved me to tears was Benigni`s italian oscar winner ``Life is Beautiful`` only because it hit my most vulnerable spot - it showed a child in distress.
Nice article!!!.
#11 Posted by ahmadb on October 9, 2000 4:45:28 am
UNSC RESOLUTION
According to the News (October 9, 2000): “With the United States abstaining, the Security Council approved a resolution condemning the ``excessive use of force`` that has left over 80 Palestinians dead.”
“[E]xcessive use of force”? How does the UN Universal Human Rights Declaration define excessive used of force? Any comment? For details, see:
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2000-daily/09-10-2000/main/main1.htm
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
According to the News (October 9, 2000): “With the United States abstaining, the Security Council approved a resolution condemning the ``excessive use of force`` that has left over 80 Palestinians dead.”
“[E]xcessive use of force”? How does the UN Universal Human Rights Declaration define excessive used of force? Any comment? For details, see:
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2000-daily/09-10-2000/main/main1.htm
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
#10 Posted by Urstruly on October 8, 2000 10:22:58 pm
ANATOMY OF A “RUBBER BULLET”
AND
MOHAMMED’S DEBT
Dear Readers,
Please do not be beguiled by the term “Rubber Bullet” and “Lass Lethal Riot Control Ammo.” . The issue of Rubber Bullets that are being fired upon unarmed Palestinian, with assault rifles is a very serious matter. Keep in mind that the RBs that Israeli army is using is not exactly the same as that is used in other parts of the world to control riots and animal population etc. These bullets have same warhead as that of regular bullets except that it is coated with rubber. The air drag thus reduces the velocity but since it is fired with assault rifles using assault rifle propellants it translates into nothing. This is all to satisfy the Human Rights people and Inspectors from the Association of Coffin Thieves i.e. UN.
Please check the following link to see how this “Less Lethal” ammo. works on Palestinians.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/extra/browse/html97/altrubb_041197.html
Also check the following links to see various type, specifications, and shapes of RBs and cartridges for different weapons.
http://www.ozarkmtns.com/less-lethal/
http://www.teleport.com/
AND
MOHAMMED’S DEBT
Dear Readers,
Please do not be beguiled by the term “Rubber Bullet” and “Lass Lethal Riot Control Ammo.” . The issue of Rubber Bullets that are being fired upon unarmed Palestinian, with assault rifles is a very serious matter. Keep in mind that the RBs that Israeli army is using is not exactly the same as that is used in other parts of the world to control riots and animal population etc. These bullets have same warhead as that of regular bullets except that it is coated with rubber. The air drag thus reduces the velocity but since it is fired with assault rifles using assault rifle propellants it translates into nothing. This is all to satisfy the Human Rights people and Inspectors from the Association of Coffin Thieves i.e. UN.
Please check the following link to see how this “Less Lethal” ammo. works on Palestinians.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/extra/browse/html97/altrubb_041197.html
Also check the following links to see various type, specifications, and shapes of RBs and cartridges for different weapons.
http://www.ozarkmtns.com/less-lethal/
http://www.teleport.com/
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#8 Posted by anil on October 8, 2000 7:02:54 pm
This article reflects an urge in us humans to symbolize the evil, so that we can beat it. This urge also prevents many among us from seeing value in Jinnah’s leadership and value of Gandhi’s spiritualism in politics of the day, because we get busy in beating. It converts passions of people like YLH into anger and frustration. It creates negative chain reactions in people like Rsaxena, Krashid and Jay. These passions and creativity can be directed into productive use, but the unfortunate result of creating such symbols is that for a long time to come, the productive use of passion and creativity is no longer possible, and the people suffer.
I feel sorry for the author’s sadistic sarcasm, if that is what it was in creating “Ariel Moron”. I would add that Ariel Moron is an urge. Ariel Moron is not a personality; therefore the author has failed to create a symbol. This urge is present in all of us, including the author. The author should ask the Creator why She did not spare him and made him into a super human. The author proves that he also possesses the urge by expressing his anger in this article (“Ariel Morons have an obsession with …. other such sh *t”; “Ariel Morons are bloodthirsty”; “At times, some places got a few more Ariel Morons than other places.”; “Nazi Germany, for instance, had a lot more of them than other places a few decades ago.” Is the author implying that there were more Jews in Nazi Germany, that would be a very sadistic way of expressing anger).
Allow me to point to interesting T.V. interviews, of two leaders who are directly affected. Ms. Hannan Ashrawi in this morning’s (Sunday Oct. 8) ABC’s This Week was very cool and very effective. She told that Ariel Sharon took 3,000 armed troops along on his Visit while another 2,000 waited outside (boy, he must be scared of unarmed worshippers). George Will who was persistently asking Ms. Ashrawi questions, went silent – literally dumb-founded. The statement Ariel Sharon was making with armed personnel in front of unarmed civilians (worshippers ??) was completely lost. The armed personnel against unarmed civilians NEVER win. Jalianwala Bagh and the Satyagrah events proved the correctness of this doctrine in the past. Unfortunately, some on Chowk who support the courageous and unarmed Palestinians in this scenario also dismiss Satyagrah and value of spiritualism in politics.
Interestingly, when Sam Donaldson and George Will questioned Simon Peres in the same program. Simon Peres answered that in five years (1940-45)in Europe 15-million people were killed, then in one year the peace was restored. The peace in Europe can be seen and felt in Europe, today. According to Simon Peres, this happened because the peace-process NEVER stopped. I believe the peace process in Europe first took over the anger and hatred, and then brought freedom and economic prosperity. Can we not do the same in South Asia? My answer is yes, if the need for leaders like Jinnah and Gandhi is felt and recognized and not symolized by hanging their pictures, if YLH’s passion is converted into productive use, if creativity of Rsaxena, Krashid and Jay is not wasted in negative reactions. Above all if present historians like Udayshankar do not loose perspective. The historians have a responsibility. That is why I am supporting, and have offered to underwrite Isa Daudpota and Foqia Khan’s budget.
Anil Kapuria
Anil@Kapuria.COM
I feel sorry for the author’s sadistic sarcasm, if that is what it was in creating “Ariel Moron”. I would add that Ariel Moron is an urge. Ariel Moron is not a personality; therefore the author has failed to create a symbol. This urge is present in all of us, including the author. The author should ask the Creator why She did not spare him and made him into a super human. The author proves that he also possesses the urge by expressing his anger in this article (“Ariel Morons have an obsession with …. other such sh *t”; “Ariel Morons are bloodthirsty”; “At times, some places got a few more Ariel Morons than other places.”; “Nazi Germany, for instance, had a lot more of them than other places a few decades ago.” Is the author implying that there were more Jews in Nazi Germany, that would be a very sadistic way of expressing anger).
Allow me to point to interesting T.V. interviews, of two leaders who are directly affected. Ms. Hannan Ashrawi in this morning’s (Sunday Oct. 8) ABC’s This Week was very cool and very effective. She told that Ariel Sharon took 3,000 armed troops along on his Visit while another 2,000 waited outside (boy, he must be scared of unarmed worshippers). George Will who was persistently asking Ms. Ashrawi questions, went silent – literally dumb-founded. The statement Ariel Sharon was making with armed personnel in front of unarmed civilians (worshippers ??) was completely lost. The armed personnel against unarmed civilians NEVER win. Jalianwala Bagh and the Satyagrah events proved the correctness of this doctrine in the past. Unfortunately, some on Chowk who support the courageous and unarmed Palestinians in this scenario also dismiss Satyagrah and value of spiritualism in politics.
Interestingly, when Sam Donaldson and George Will questioned Simon Peres in the same program. Simon Peres answered that in five years (1940-45)in Europe 15-million people were killed, then in one year the peace was restored. The peace in Europe can be seen and felt in Europe, today. According to Simon Peres, this happened because the peace-process NEVER stopped. I believe the peace process in Europe first took over the anger and hatred, and then brought freedom and economic prosperity. Can we not do the same in South Asia? My answer is yes, if the need for leaders like Jinnah and Gandhi is felt and recognized and not symolized by hanging their pictures, if YLH’s passion is converted into productive use, if creativity of Rsaxena, Krashid and Jay is not wasted in negative reactions. Above all if present historians like Udayshankar do not loose perspective. The historians have a responsibility. That is why I am supporting, and have offered to underwrite Isa Daudpota and Foqia Khan’s budget.
Anil Kapuria
Anil@Kapuria.COM
#7 Posted by ahmadb on October 8, 2000 7:02:54 pm
Udayakumar wrote: ``Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot are just some of the well-known Ariel Morons, and there are so many more amongst us all over the world. They come in all shapes and sizes, races and religions, nationalities and so forth. ...our children have to be protected by any means necessary. They do not deserve these morons!``
Comment: Udayakumar`s piece is both timely and commendable. A mere protest, though necessary, is not sufficient to deal with the ruthless behavior of the Israeli zionists who control the mind, body and spirit of the Israeli state (particularly its means of coercion). We live in an unjust world and normally unintendedly condone its many faces. We can never protect ``our children`` (Udayakumar`s phrase) as long as we virtually fail to see (and show) the bigger picture in relatively normal times.
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
Comment: Udayakumar`s piece is both timely and commendable. A mere protest, though necessary, is not sufficient to deal with the ruthless behavior of the Israeli zionists who control the mind, body and spirit of the Israeli state (particularly its means of coercion). We live in an unjust world and normally unintendedly condone its many faces. We can never protect ``our children`` (Udayakumar`s phrase) as long as we virtually fail to see (and show) the bigger picture in relatively normal times.
Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad
#6 Posted by haider_irfan on October 8, 2000 7:02:54 pm
Well one more time despite the fact that who started this bloodshed, all US politicians and media pundits are trying to save Israel`s face and blaming it entirely on Arafat. Barak is going to every cable and network station to give head job and propagate lies. Things are hopeless for palestinians, the ultimatum will not be accepted by them - which means more bloodshed for them.
If only US like many other countries of UN tried
to be fair, we would have chance.
Ordinary people will believe whatever media says unless it effects them personaly. I think greatest weapon arabs have is their oil,
with it they can crash markets and send their message to ordinary people.
If only US like many other countries of UN tried
to be fair, we would have chance.
Ordinary people will believe whatever media says unless it effects them personaly. I think greatest weapon arabs have is their oil,
with it they can crash markets and send their message to ordinary people.
#5 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on October 8, 2000 12:36:45 pm
If the bullets and the rockets had been fired
by the Palestineans, it would not have been
called ``unfortunate`` but Terrorism.
The double standards of the powers that be continue. Whether it is Palestine or Bosnia,
Muslims are at the receiving end of people in
the media.
Thanks for writing this piece. It is not one of
your better writings but the sentiment is what
counts.
Ras
#4 Posted by SaimaShah on October 8, 2000 4:15:37 am
Ariel Morons wear subtler garbs too. consumer-``choice``, ``national identity``, ``religious sentiment`` are their shields, while all they want is more control, more power.
Surely there are more than just a few. this whole world looks like it has given up its soul to them.
who seems to care anyway? people just want more fries, more ketchup, more burgers, more cars, more insurance...
pardon the gloom...
Saima
Surely there are more than just a few. this whole world looks like it has given up its soul to them.
who seems to care anyway? people just want more fries, more ketchup, more burgers, more cars, more insurance...
pardon the gloom...
Saima
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