Beware of Ariel Morons and Protect Your Children!

For an Indian with little or no sense of American history and cultural heritage, it is often very easy to confuse the Ivy League as a formal sports conference with its history and indeed the original sports league - the first college football game was between Princeton and Rutgers (Ivy till formal organization of the sports body in 1954) ...

In any event those who wish to read more about the originb

http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0101_Christians_Started_I.html


How Christians Started the Ivy League

..Columbia, William and Mary, Rutgers, Brown & UPenn

The first president of New York`s Columbia University, first known as ``King`s College,`` at one time served as a missionary to America under the English-based ``Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts.`` The Church of England established the College of William and Mary, near today`s colonial Williamsburg. Dutch Reformed revivalists founded Queen`s College (later Rutgers University) in New Jersey. Brown University originated with the Baptist churches scattered on the Atlantic seaboard. With the exception of the University of Pennsylvania, every collegiate institution founded in the colonies prior to the Revolutionary War was established by some branch of the Christian Church.

Even at UPenn, however, an evangelist played a prominent part. When Philadelphia churches denied revivalist George Whitefield access to their pulpits, forcing him to preach in the open, some of Whitefield`s admirers, among them Benjamin Franklin, decided to erect a building to accommodate the great crowds that wanted to hear him. The structure they built became the first building of what is now the University of Pennsylvania, and a statue of Whitefield stands prominently on that campus today.

Though the Ivy League schools eventually turned secular, they fed into the mainstream of society in those earlier days a great army of graduates who could claim Jesus Christ as personal Savior and Lord, and who left a strong impact on our nation. Their presidents and their faculties helped to set a high spiritual tone, and at times their campuses in turn felt the impact of revival. The educators of early America understood that the moral climate of its schools, colleges and universities would shape its future generations, and could ultimately decide the course of the nation.

Reprinted from The Rebirth of America, published by the Arthur S. DeMoss Foundation.


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From wikipedia...

The Ivies have been competing in sports as long as intercollegiate sports have existed in the United States. Boat clubs from Harvard and Yale met in the first sporting event held between students of two U.S. colleges on Lake Winnipesaukee, New Hampshire, in 1852. As an informal football league, the Ivy League dates from 1900 when Yale took the conference championship with a 5-0 record. For many years Army (the United States Military Academy), Navy (the United States Naval Academy), and to a lesser extent Rutgers were considered members, but dropped out shortly before formal organization. For instance, Army traditionally had a rivalry with Yale, which some assert is set to resume in the next few years, and Rutgers had rivalries with Princeton and Columbia, which continue today in sports other than football

Whatever Udayakumar may be,he is,at least,subtle.This Saxena seems to be a pompous brat with rather petty notions of history and humanity.Gandhi may have been a good man but he was disgraced by Nehru/Patel.Nehru had the attitude of a megalomaniac,being a rich pandit with the pretensions of being the `last british gentleman to govern`the bloody indians,as he confessed to Stanley Walport while Patel was just a lackey.The former was dying to get power as he considered it his birth-right,being a high-caste hindu.So he could tolerate no democratic challange

from a straight-forward /constitutional person like Mr.Jinnah.While Jinnah was hailed as `ambassador of hindu-muslim unity`,Nehru/Gandhi injected the Ramraj to fool the hindu public immediately after the first world war.The Quaid-e-Azam protested to make the congress see reason but hindus under Nehru had a different game plan so even 14 points were an anathema for them.Hence the movement for Pakistan

but in the endgame,the muslims were cheated by Nehru/Mountbetton clique which accounts for the sufferings of the newly-independent Pakistan!

Make no mistake!The hindus made Pakistan possible because of their meanness towards muslims.Individuals die,the ideas do not perish.The flame of independence lit by Jinnah shall live on for 2 reasons.The muslims have tasted freedom and the opportunities it offers despite all the bunglings we may have experinced.Secondly,because of the meanness/parsimony of high-caste hindus of northren India as people belonging to the south are decent/polite.What the Northren hindus are doing in Kashmir would promote irredentist tendencies even within India.I know certain good hindus and I feel sorry for them.

Ariel Sharon is there because the Palestinians are a weak/helpless people whom nobody wants to help practically.If they had the means,they would have blown to pieces Sharon after he personally supervised the disgraceful carnage at sabra/shatilla.Look at the miserable arab dominos only offering verbal sympathy and at times some cash but too scared of US/Israel to arm the palestinians.The rest of the free world is also watching helplessly as a new international law is unfolding whereby helicopter gunships/tanks are allowed to be used against civilians if it pleases the US.So the the right-wing land-grabbing thugs of Israel and their nazi-like army is freely indulging in genocide of palestinians so that they can usurp their lands permanently aided and abetted by the only superpower.

The children will keep on dying till the day the palestiniams can kill about 200 Israeli soldiers in 2/3 days.I bet then there will be peace/co-existence.As yet it is an unequal fight between mortal/helples palestinians and audacious,mighty and immortal Israli army which has become a nazi-like war-machine because of the lack of fight from arab neighbours and continuous doles of money/equipment/strategic support from US.

The biggest Ariel Moron to be watched out for is one loose cannon called S.P.UdayKumar. This man will frazzle out your brains with his bilge and bovine refuse, sitting comfortably at his Univ.of Minnesota office, while we ordinary Morons read his trash and wonder what he is referring to.

fairdinkum #132:

``May be in future, there will be a generation mature enough to revive, understand and practice them. The least we can do is keep these ideals

preserved properly. ``

I disagree. If that generation is mature enough it will create its own ideals and values suiting the times it lives in.

Disclaimer: I aint saying that we should discard all the great ideals that Gandhi and the rest stood for - but these people do not live in our times - they are long GONE, DEAD! And we do not know how they would have acted if they were here - alas, that deprives us of following their ideals blindly!

re RSaxena #130

``I realize that Jinnah and Gandhi are dead and from what we see on the subcontinent, so are their ideals (whatever they may have been).``

“(whatever they may have been)” part needs clarification.

Are you saying that you don’t care about their ideals? Or are you suggesting that, given the present state of affairs in subcontinent, Gandhi’s/Jinnah’s ideals are no longer relevant?

At any rate, should we not pass those ideals on to our present/future generations?

You know, some terminally ill people have themselves frozen so that when medical science, in future, discovers a cure for their incurable disease, they can be revived and cured. Maybe the ideals of Jinnah and Gandhi are just frozen in time and not dead… May be in future, there will be a generation mature enough to revive, understand and practice them. The least we can do is keep these ideals preserved properly.

RSaxena, do you see any hope?

I dont know which Arabian Sheikh you are talking to ... but since you are quoting me I guess you are mistaken about my identity ...

I am a Pakistani ... yes ... that is spelt P A K I S T A N I

Re: Arabian sheikh

``You really are quite out of touch with reality! ``

Maybe so but at least I realize that Jinnah and Gandhi are dead and from what we see on the subcontinent, so are their ideals (whatever they may have been).

Re: Arabian sheikh

``Maybe you dont even understand what the term Ivy League means....``

Maybe I don`t. But I sure come closer than you do considering that I have attended one.

There`s bright people everywhere, even Rutgers I am sure. But your inane and pathetic posts claiming Ivy League status for it do 2 things: 1) demonstrate that not all Rutgers students are bright and 2) expose your insecurities about the topic.

Rsaxena

Beta jahaaan tak Turks ki baat hai woh to hua thaa... ab jaaa jal ... aur jall ...

I shouldnt really bother with you ... You really are quite out of touch with reality! You havent been able to argue with evidence... Your satirical attacks amount to nothing if you dont have any evidence to support it.

Yasser Hamdani

Rsaxena

I assure you what I said is true.... but I dont need to convince you. Rutgers was till 1950s part of the IVY LEAGUE ... then it became the state University which automatically disqualified it since Ivy Leagues have to be private... Maybe you dont even understand what the term Ivy League means....

I welcome you to research the issue more.

Maybe you are confusing Rutgers New Brunswick with Rutgers Newark!!!!!!!!!!

Yasser Hamdani

Re: the sheikh from Arabia

``we were offered IVY League status yesterday any comments ... Also IBM announced that its second largest recruiting is done at Rutgers ..``

Hahahahaha....that`s the biggest crock of feces ever thrown around. Ivy League status for Rutgers???

In any case, since when did working at IBM become an indicator of anything? Or for that matter since when did the size of IBM`s recruiting effort become a sign of prestige? Few of the bright engineers I know have drooled about working at IBM.

I think that hot Arabian sun is affecting you. No wonder you had dreams of Turks singing ``jeevay Pakistan`` on the streets of Istanbul and Ankara.

sadna #354 Thanks for the explanation.

It is a long speech and I wish I could find it somewhere on the net .. but I urge you to read the following books ....

Jinnah Speeches and Statements 1947-48

Oxford University press Millenium Series

Compilation by SM Burke Page 25 complete text

Pakistan The Formative Phase 1858-1947

Khaled Bin Sayeed Oxford

The Sole Spokesman

Ayesha Jalaal Oxford

Jinnah of Pakistan

Stanley Wolpert Oxford

Jinnah

Hector Bolitho

RE: YLH

Could you please post Quaid`s August 11 speech, that you often refer too, if you have time. I am dying with anticipation, what is in it.

Layman,

I was pointing out that Past whehter sub continental or Arabian or Iranian or Turkish doesnt matter to us any more..... No it will not do us any good acknowledging our common culture (which mind you Pakistanis already do) ... with anyone ... Instead we have an identity as a sovereign nation ... let us accept it.

Away with dreams and shadows and of past glories..

Yasser

PS Indians have some nerve ... you people are the most heterogenous community in the world and you talk about commonalities and shared past???? Time to get rid of the past (except M A Jinnah`s 11th August speech)