Desi Olympics 2000

Ras Siddiqui,

I am responding to your remark on ``(to which India does not even offer ``moral support``)``.

Remember, Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi sent Indian PeaceKeeping Force to Sri Lanka to end the conflict (though it was against Tamils). Because of that Sri Lankan (Tamil) militants later assassinated him. We aren’t training any one and sending them across to fight the Sri Lankan military. In fact we sent our own military to end the conflict in the Island State.

Whereas Pakistan is giving training to terrorists (thru Madarsa Institute of Terrorism, Pak version of MIT, USA) to fight Indian forces in Kashmir. In the name of liberating Kashmiris from India, Pakistani military have killed more innocent Kashmiris and the Indian forces, which are trying to curb militancy. Because of that Kashmir State didn’t develop like other parts of India despite so much money poured into the Indian State of Kashmir.

So Please, Siddiqui don’t even think about criticizing India on that account.

Why Pakistanis have such hatred towards India?

1. Example: In today’s Dawn(respectable(how) newspaper in Pak), Pak news paper the headlines was Tamils kill 25 camp inmates, the fact is 25 Tamil inmates were killed by the Sinhalese mob.

In the land of Jinnah,

From nation of today,

On Sunday, the chief jehadi organisation Harkatul Mujahideen and Maulana Samiul Haq, presently the head of a madrassa which has gained reputation for being a nursery for the Taliban, called upon the managements of all seminaries to include military training in their curriculum as a compulsory subject. The later exhorted the students to keep themselves prepared for the situation about to emerge in the country. ``Immense responsibility is awaiting you. Be ready for the Islamic revolution,`` he is reported to have said. He was quite clear as to how the revolution envisaged by him will take place. ``Democracy is a big hurdle in the way of Islam. We are not subject to the will of the majority.`` All religious extremists irrespective of their minor differences have trained their guns on the NGOs, which are being portrayed as pawns in the hand of foreign countries. A crescendo of hate campaign has been launched against these organizations which could result in whipping up mob frenzy against all types of moderates and dissidents.

Lubna,

What ever you may know about jihad is of no use to any one, you have no clue what so ever about what they talk in the mosques. Try to get in there first.

Watch out, it could be a dis honour. By the way, what have they told you, jihadists reach heaven, how about the honour killed.

Just asking, a theological question.

Very well written specially the bit about the MARTIAL RACES!!They believe they are Gods gift to humanity!!(The so called MARTIAL RACES)in fact they are nothing but a MYTH created by the colonial british rulers who needed loyal natives and they found them in the shape of Martial Races!

Martial Races are MARTIAL only when they have to bully a weaker side or to please their lord and master as they did uin the 1857 uprising against the BRITISH believe me they are nothing but STUFFED DOLL full of SAW DUST!!Whenever they meet their match they turn and run with their tails between their legs.The so called Martial Races are only Martial when the smell blood or money!!

Jay #56:

Oh thank you soooooooo muuuuuuuuch!!! You have NO IDEA how your li`l post has augmented my very, very limited reserves of knowledge about Jihad. I shall be eternally grateful to you for opening my eyes (were closed because I was trying to enjoy myself :() to this... this... horror(?)... The fact that I was already aware of all this doesn`t really matter - what matters is that YOU really care about enriching my knowledge! I feel so lucky! (btw - a promise is a promise - will take you up on the jihad issue as soon as i get the time!)

Lubna,

Knowledge has no bounds, here is one from foreign affairs, cited by mohajir, to enrich your knowledge about jihad,

``When a boy becomes a martyr, thousands of people attend his funeral. Poor families become celebrities. Everyone treats them with more respect after they lose a son, a martyr`s father said. ``And when there is a martyr in the village, it encourages more children to join the jihad. It raises the spirit of the entire village,`` he continued. In poor families with large numbers of children, a mother can assume that some of her children will die of disease if not in war. This apparently makes it easier to donate a son to what she feels is a just and holy cause.

Many of these families receive financial assistance from the militant groups. The Shuhda-e-Islam Foundation, founded in 1995 by Jamaat-e-Islami, claims to have dispensed 13 million rupees to the families of martyrs. It also claims to provide financial support to some 364 families by paying off loans, setting them up in businesses, or helping them with housing. Moreover, the foundation provides emotional and spiritual support by constantly reminding the families that they did the right thing by donating their children to assist their Muslim brethren in Kashmir. Both Lashkar-i-Taiba and Harkat have also established charitable organizations that reward the families of martyrs -- a practice common to gangs in inner-city Los Angeles and terrorist groups such as al Qaeda and Hamas. Although these foundations provide a service to families in need, they also perpetuate a culture of violence.``.

YLH,

At the risk of being quoted adnoseaum by temporal, like my `intelectual origamy` let me say, there was a sport called `paki bashing` played by the english youth in the 1970s. It literally involved bashing the pakistanis, what ever be the reason for selecting them. The subsequent emergence of multiculturalism, this sport has been on the wane. Now with the new technology of the internet, one can indulge in this sport, with out the legal hastles, but may be with the same entertainment value. In this age of the retro fashion, no harm in reviving some of the old sports. It can be enjoyable for all, including the pakistanis, if approahed in the right spirit. With out ball, there can be no soccer, and it is the essential element.

Be proud.

paki bashing for olympics

long live the balls.

YLH for referee

Jay #51:

Jay m`man! Was waiting for you...

``I was waiting for you to chill out...``

--aaw you didn`t have to... gee thanx!

``I donot believe in personal insults.``

-- *snigger * *snort * coming from you, this is toooo fuuunneeeee!!! You mean to say all those attacks on various Pakistanis (you know the names) were not meant to be personal? Come now, surely you can`t be serious?

``I accept your above remark as the ultimate challenge to a man from a society which...``

-- Beta, you took the remark out of context - you were dragging others into something that was supposed to concern only the two of us. I found that uncalled for - why rely on them as a means of insult? Can`t you do that without bringing them into this? In all my interacts to you, have I ever attacked any of your friends?

As for the issues of jihad, blasphemy laws and ``honour killings`` - I`ll take you up on this some other time - promise! Enjoying the weather too much at the moment - not in the mood... tata till then... take care and don`t let the jihadi bugs bite you!

Oh and one more thing.... You said you were going to trust the CE for the meaning of Jihad. Word of advice: don`t. Not even Pakistanis trust him... (well, most anyway).

Jay

Here you go again.... this obsession with Pakistan is not nice for you. Do something constructive for India ... please?

As for Desi ... I as a Pakistani hate the Word Desi as much as you do ... seriously even the thought of having anything common with a nation that produces supooots like you is quite disturbing... :)

Love (Sarcasm!)

Yasser Hamdani

DOWN WITH THE `DESI`,

This abhorant idea of Desi is a pakistani construct. For the Bangladeshi, it is the noble bengali civilisation, for the tamilian of srilanka it is the great tamil kingdom, for the sinhalese it is the prosperous Perahara empire, for the nepali it is the gurkha tradition and the only hindu kingdom and for the Pakistani, there is zilch, Nothing.

By tracing a one dimensional history through the indian tapestry, the pakistanis are left with nothing, all that is islamic has been claimed by the Saudis, and what they have is what is essentially indian. The TNT prevents them from claiming anything that is indian and the crafty one`s have come up with this Desi idea. No sir, there is nothing Desi, it is Indian, and dont try to name it something else so that you can circumvent the dictates of ingrained TNT thinking. May be a three nation theory can set you free.

Lubna #35,

``Or are you not man enough to fight me on a one-to-one basis?``

I was waiting for you to chill out as I donot believe in personal insults. In an anonymous medium, insults aimed at an individual level has no meaning. I accept your above remark as the ultimate challenge to a man from a society which adores Gaznavi as a symbol of benevolence , Jinnah as an epitome of hindu muslim unity, Tuglak as a model ruler for all the worlds and Saudi Arabia as a country to be imitated by changing the place names and legal frameworks.

What is of interest to me is the `jihad` and you apparently know what it means. I have heard the meaning from the leaders of hamas a few days ago, I have heard it from your CE a few weeks ago, the ` ``armed men flowing into kashmir has nothing to do with the govt of pakistan, they are doing their religious duty``. On chowk I have read one version where jihad is a war against oppression, against poverty and ignorance. Great, but the fear of fatwa prevents any, even on chowk to say that the hordes streaming to kashmir to kill the kafirs are not jihadists, they are terrorists. What is important is not ones private version of jihad, what is needed is the conviction to say what is not. The words of challenge, I leave for you to conjure.

For the meaning of jihad I will trust CE .

The same is true with the blasphemy laws, I have heard it on the chowk, these laws are against Islam, but I trust the scholars of the Sharia Court of Paklistan, they have said, they are completely in tune with islam, while the simple interest charged by the banks are un-islamic.

Finally a word of advise, the venom and anger at ` honour killing` could be a more useful outlet.

regards and best wishes

jay

Two professors, from Dartmouth I believe, analyzed past Olympics medal tallies and found that a formula with two parameters account give a roughly 95% accurate prediction -- that is, Olympic medal tallies are quite deterministic. They predicted the Sydney results quite well.

The two parameters are :

1. Gross National Product.

2. Number of medals won in previous Olympics.

So, assuming that this formula holds good, we can in principle compute some bounds on how fast South Asia can increase its medal tally. Clearly GNP is not the problem; it is the second parameter that is. Climbing out of past history is hard.

The NY Times gave a reference to the paper, but I`ve lost it. Anyone ?

-arun gupta

KUWAIT CITY (AFP) - Four Pakistani workers died after inhaling toxic gases in a sewage manhole in a private farm west of Kuwait City, newspapers reported Thursday.

//some people seek gutters wherever they go, kuwait or even on the internet. cheers.

Such warped reasoning - truly amazing.

At the risk/peril of encouraging you i have to add - the bit about the beggars union in Kerela was amusing. are you an analyst by any chance??

dear Ras,

a pleasure to read.

shandana

Dear Rashid:

To further avoid any ambiguity. Here is a list of 110 meters hurdle OLympic winners (1896-1996).

Year Winner Nation Result

1896 Thomas Curtis USA 17.6

1900 Alvin Kraenzlein USA 15.4

1904 Frederick Schule USA 16.0

1908 Forrest Smithson USA 15.0

1912 Frederick Kelly USA 15.1

1920 Earl Thomson Canada 14.8

1924 Daniel Kinsey USA 15.0

1928 Sydney Atkinson South Africa 14.8

1932 George Saling USA 14.6

1936 Forrest Towns USA 14.2

1948 William Porter USA 13.9

1952 Harrison Dillard USA 13.7

1956 Lee Calhoun USA 13.5

1960 Lee Calhoun USA 13.8

1964 Hayes Jones USA 13.6

1968 Willie Davenport USA 13.3

1972 Rod Milburn USA 13.24

1976 Guy Drut France 13.30

1980 Thomas Munkelt East Germany 13.39

1984 Roger Kingdom USA 13.20

1988 Roger Kingdom USA 12.98

1992 Mark McKoy Canada 13.12

1996 Allen Johnson USA 12.95

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

P.S. Are you sure that you are not confusing the World Olympics with some other games?

In response to krashid (Reply # 42)

Dear Rashid:

In 1960 Olympics, it was Lee Calhoun (not Talib)who won the 110 meter hurdles. This is what I found in the ``Encyclopedia Britannica``:

``Calhoun was suspended from amateur athletics in 1958 for receiving gifts on a television game show. In 1960 he tied Martin Lauer`s world record of 13.2 seconds for the 110-metre hurdles. At the 1960 Olympics in Rome he won another gold medal in the 110-metre hurdles; in an even closer race, he and American Willie May were officially clocked at 13.8 seconds, and the automatic timer showed Calhoun winning by only 0.01 second.``

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad