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A Delightful Cut

Ayesha J Ikram October 15, 2000

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#59 Posted by karim shankar on November 19, 2000 9:17:18 pm
I really liked this piece, and temporal`s response / retort / repartee / rebuttal.

Ayesha, haven`t felt this way since I saw Kevin Spacey in ``Seven``.

My vertebrae still shivers.

regards

Aniruddha Karim Shankar



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#58 Posted by Awakening Hopef on November 15, 2000 11:02:06 am
Re: Temporal #78

Teeth to tail ratio refers to the number of support/non-fighting men (tail: admin, maintenance, supply, logistics, paymaster, graves registration, military police, what have you) needed to keep one soldier (`teeth`) in the field. I believe the US involvement in Vietnam at its height totalled about 550,000 men, of whom about 60-70,000 were actually in the field. The rest were all the admin support needed to keep them there and do the planning. Western armies need a very lopsided teeth:tail ratio because they are highly mechanized forces and their equipment needs a great deal of extremely complicated maintenance work (huge repair/maintenance depots, etc) and a very complicated resupply chain (petrol, oil, lubricants, spare parts, etc) plus a great deal of communications equipment.

For example, the French in IndoChina could put
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#57 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 21, 2000 11:01:56 am
Ferozk #74 I agree that the jehadi element in Pakistan is a threat to society in general, most of all to Pakistani society itself. But dont worry - they wont win because they are armed with mere guns, not with truth. And the truth is that the people of Pakistan are a fine, fine people - they are down-to-earth, hardworking, clean-living and intelligent.

So...You can ridicule us and our country because of our political and economic problems. You can equate all Pakistanis with the jehadis and condemn us all. No problem.

Like the ugly duckling, and with God`s Grace, Pakistan will in due course show it`s true colors and turn out to be the beautiful swan it is destined to be, and the finest part of the sub-continent.



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#56 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 21, 2000 11:01:56 am
sameerjb (69)

aaah! thanks for the clarification and the background. in that case `humble` is just about right ;)

-p



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#55 Posted by Omarphoenix on October 21, 2000 11:01:56 am
Dear AH ( I hope you don`t mind me saying that),

#55

Please elaborate.

Cheers.

Omar Phoenix



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#54 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 21, 2000 4:47:55 am
Latif #71 Your post makes perfect sense. Wont have any affect though - hypocrisy and irrationality understands chhittar, not reason. Cheers.



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#53 Posted by husseinzahid on October 20, 2000 10:47:58 am
Hi

The writings are very impressive in context to the situation of West resident ``Mashriqi larki`` or maybe East resident...

Your articles give a confused idea about u. The articles show that u are very sensitive observer.

I am not that much good in expressing my thoughts.... so bear with me.... but I needed to say something .... but I dont know what...

Regards



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#52 Posted by Urstruly on October 19, 2000 5:52:54 pm
IT`S ALL ABOUT FREEDOM STUPID!


In our senseless pursuit of individual freedom we have totally ignored those who cannot speak for themselves. I am talking about the little angels whose souls are burning as fuel in our engine of progress and freedom. Could someone please tell me if KIDDIE PORN is my right or my freedom? Or is it just a commodity that I can buy over the counter.

I wish I were dead after seeing the following site. I have not only lost my peace of mind, for good, but also my faith in humanity and god who claims to be benevolent and all.


http://www.ipass.net/
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#51 Posted by ferozk on October 19, 2000 12:55:23 pm
Re: Temporal # 27

T, there was a lyrical rhyme to the piece you wrote; it was depressing and yet encouraging in the sense that it was a slice of live: conflicting, and confusing.

I really loved it!

More comments later...

Ciao!

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#50 Posted by tahmed321 on October 19, 2000 12:49:33 pm
temporal #27 Just read your alternative view to Ayesha Ikram. Very nice. For some reason, I am reminded of that ``I see dead people`` movie (whose name escapes me right now).



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#49 Posted by Omarphoenix on October 19, 2000 12:49:33 pm
Dear Temporal,

#27, One word,

Fantabulous!!!



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#48 Posted by Omarphoenix on October 19, 2000 4:34:09 am
How wrong I was to ever think I had any significance. I was a number, a biomass, fertiliser that would bear the ripest fruits on my grave. My rotting body would nourish sour apples and pink sweet seedy guavas. My bones would provide the seeds and skin. My muscles the green leaves and fruity flesh. Then one day, a boy would come by, walk over my grave, pluck the fruit and chew it, in essence eating my dead remains. What were once my limbs, my face, my abused genitals and nails would strain through his teeth, mix with his saliva and plaque, pass through his slimy intestine and get stored within his rectum. 18 hours later, he’d hide behind a broken wall and s * *t me all out. The dry brown faecal matter would then undergo mastication by flies that had visited other s * *ts before. I would journey through their tight tiny rectums too, then get broken down further by fungal moulds. The flies would die seven days later and fall to the ground where every animal would step on them, in essence stepping on me. Would I ever be spared the humiliation?

Humans were so arrogant, so evil and yet this is what they amounted to; lumps of walked over s * *t.

Though this digresses slightly from the subject, it comes down to the same thing, the physical humiliation and absolute loss of control of our most intimate property, so that macro and micro-vultures begin feeding upon us.

The morals of the story boys and girls: only our memories survive so be good to each other (that especially includes me).

Omar Phoenix



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#47 Posted by scout on October 19, 2000 1:17:24 am
Ras Siddiqui #46,

I second that!



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#46 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on October 18, 2000 9:53:38 pm

Re: Reply #27

Temporal With a small ``t``:
Maan gayay!
The BEST reply EVER to appear on
CHOWK and amongst the best writing to ever grace
this URL.

Ras

PS: Mohsin Hamid is not alone. Time for ``t`` to
write his novel.

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#45 Posted by taimurmalik on October 18, 2000 7:44:37 pm
Urstruly #10:

The same wise guy/gal also wrote this for the other side:

(plzzz the following in NO way represents my thoughts/reservations on this issue-:)

I`m Glad I`m A Man

I`m glad I`m a man, you better believe.

I don`t live off of yogurt, diet coke, or cottage cheese

I don`t bit-ch to my girlfriends about the size of my breasts

I can get where I want to - north, south, east or west

I don`t get wasted after only 2 beers

and when I do drink I don`t end up in tears.

I won`t spend hours deciding what to wear,

I spend 5 minutes max fixing my hair

and I don`t go around checking my reflection

in everything shiny from every direction.

I don`t whine in public and make us leave early

and when you ask why get all bitter and surly.

I`m glad I`m a man, I`m so glad I could sing

I don`t have to sit around waiting for that ring.

I don`t gossip about friends or stab them in the back

I don`t carry our differences into the sack.

I`ll never go psycho and threaten to kill you

or think every guy out there`s trying to steal you.

I`m rational, reasonable, and logical too

I know what the time is and I know what to do.

And I honestly think its a privilege for me

to have these two balls and stand when I pee

I live to watch sports and play all sorts of ball

It`s more fun than dealing with women after all

I won`t cry if you figure out it`s not going to work

I won`t remain bitter and call you a jerk.

Feel free to use me for immediate pleasure

I won`t assume it`s permanent by any measure.

Yes, I`m glad I`m a man, a man you see

I`m glad I`m not capable of child delivery

I don`t get all bit-chy every 28 days

I`m glad that my gender gets me a much bigger raise

I`m a man by chance and I`m thankful it`s true

I`m so glad I`m a man and not a woman like you!

cheers.



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#44 Posted by taimurmalik on October 18, 2000 7:44:37 pm
temporal #27

Absolutely amazing..

expect you to come up with such pieces:)

loved it.

best regards,

Taimur.



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#43 Posted by dL on October 18, 2000 7:44:37 pm
Valiant #35

yup. thats all we needed now. another exponent of the `admonish them and beat them with sticks` school of thought. the woodwork is must really be getting crowded these days.

dL



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#41 Posted by grammerwatch on October 18, 2000 11:34:07 am
okay its gross and shocking, but --WHATS THE POINT? a married lady autopsy physician whose habit is to get all sexed up go to the morgue and self pleasure at the mutilation of cadabers? All you have done is introduce a character. now lets hear a STORY.



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#40 Posted by Harpreet on October 18, 2000 11:34:07 am
Ayesha,

My last post was abit rushed and sloppy....I liked your use of alliteration in the early three paragraphs which gives the opening a stanza-like poetic structure and rhythm- an arresting and original device, creating mystery and questions-- it works well.

Also, the tone of the narrator`s voice is of hushed, whispered confessional, taking us straight into her mind, where we find her relaying the events with, if not delight, then certainly not with regret...unnerving.

Your other piece also contained an image of violation and penetration of the body with knives....is this a coincidence?

I like it when I read something that stays in my mind, is ambiguous and unresolved....looking forward to your next piece,

Harpreet



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#39 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on October 18, 2000 10:46:15 am
Ayesha,
Please stick to the old fries. This one contains
a problematic topic which is taking the attention
away from your writing style.
The ``cut and paste`` (literally) in your articles is quite interesting. You certainly have the reader`s attention.

Ras

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#38 Posted by sadna on October 18, 2000 10:25:08 am
The sight of cadevers and death could normally serve as a reminder of transitory nature of even the worst human condition and could act as a release. Instead the protagonist? utilizes death to reinforce her `bondage` with suffering by voluntarily perpetuating her victimhood with her own actions. Thats a really horrible concept, I have to say. There was no guilt or sin attached to being a helpless victim, buts its horrible to see such voluntary slavery. Holding others responsible for one`s own inhumanity(what else is desecration of the dead and gone) signifies a really devilish bondage and an ultimate loss of `self`. Spare me the terrible sight :-).

Sadhana



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#37 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 18, 2000 8:57:32 am
Ferozk #74

I`m just curious as to how a single Marine brigade (even if its a reinforced brigade with integral air support) is going to make any difference at all if Pakistan falls apart? I know that Marine divisions are about the size of US Army corps, but just how big is a Marine Brigade anyway? The size of TWO US Army Corps? Are you sure that the brigade is not supposed to merely assist in the evacuation of US and other diplomatic personnel in Islamabad? Granted, after the Gulf War when 1 American equalled 1,000 Iraqis, the US military thinks that it can kick any Mozzie ass anywhere, it will still take more than one Marine Brigade to pacify Pakistan. Even the British Raj, and they knew something about Pakistanis/Indians, thought that one Britisher was only worth two (at most three, if non-martial race) Indians.

While the average Pakistani soldier`s weapons handling skill is not up to that of the average US Marine`s, our army is not at the same pathetic level as that of the Iraqis or Saudis. At an individual level, its competence is (to be conservative) at least at par with that of the Egyptians/Jordanians/Indians, none of whom are exactly completely incompetent militarily. Heck, we train Jordanians.

Similarly, the various mujahideen/fundamentalist groups are not as incompetent militarily as the Iraqis either. Having fought the Russians and now the Indians for years, they too would need more than one Marine Brigade to be pacified. Mind you, I am not one of those idiots who think that the Afghans/Pathans are `unconquerable.` The only reason why the Soviets failed to pacify Afghanistan is that they did not, would not, commit more than 100-120,000 troops to the war. As far as the US goes, 550,000 soldiers (OK, the US Army`s Ice Cream soldiers have a teeth-to-tail ratio that would have shamed the Mughals) couldn`t pacify Vietnam. The US could have certainly bombed all of SE Asia back into the Stone Age (which it tried to do) but that defeats the purpose of the original intervention, n`est pas?

If the brigade was a typo, then I apologize. But I get quite ticked off, as you may have realized, about the level of US ignorance about our Army. I recall reading some years back a very well respected defense analyst, I think it might have been Cordesman, saying that the Jordanian Army had a training mission in Pakistan and that with their help we would convert to the M48A5 Pattons. What are the Jordanians going to train us to do? Other than ride camels? Actually, our Bahawalpur/Thar recruits are probably better camel jockeys than the Jordanians.

Regards.

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#36 Posted by dL on October 18, 2000 8:57:32 am
#27

I think I stopped breathing half way through. Brilliant.

dL



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#35 Posted by Valiant on October 18, 2000 8:57:32 am
These women... what is wrong w/ them?? They NEED to be disciplined; but not only them. Their male counterparts are also guilty. What is wrong w/ these ppl?? Shameful, shameless heathens, and what is this?? An era of feminism among South Asian women? This is garbage, and little do they know. It is only pseudo-intellectualism, but many women (and men) who fail to take responsibility, and justify their ``modernness`` to fit their own immorality. What a disgrace.



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#34 Posted by Urstruly on October 17, 2000 10:17:39 pm
Dear t,

BTW I was speechless in jaw-dropping-awe sort of way.

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#33 Posted by Omarphoenix on October 17, 2000 9:38:51 pm
Dear Aisha J. Ikram,

You have severe sadomasochistic tendencies. Go see a shrink. Give these people some respect because they’re giving up their most private possession, their body up for the rest of us. And don’t give me no crud on them getting money for this.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than anaesthetising you and snipping your ovaries in front of your face or clamping crocodile clips on your urethras and buzzing 10,000 volts through them. What would also give me immense satisfaction would be to…naah, maybe I shouldn’t say that. The point is, it doesn’t mean you should have to write an article on it. Something called taste I believe, unless you don’t have a mental tongue.

Cheers

Omar Phoenix



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#32 Posted by lubna on October 17, 2000 9:38:51 pm
t #27:

:) great going t! Love it! And it was about time we read something contributed by you. Agar oos tara nahi toh iss tara sahi...

Was waiting for you to comment on Ashi`s piece. Worth it. So spontaneous and real. Makes me wonder whether you really have had an OBE, (which reminds me... later). I love the way you blended her words and actions into your story. Loved:

[[Pity you are cutting my insides to come to terms with the hurt inside you. We drift -- a life long drift -- undirected -- at the whims of time and tide controlled by Him, or him or her, but never ourselves.]]

More later...

love,

Lubna



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#31 Posted by scout on October 17, 2000 9:38:51 pm
t-bhai #27,

YOU ARE TOOOOOOOO GOOD!

``Forget my cadaver. This is no

sublimation. Nor a retribution. Our paths never crossed.``

BRILLIANT!

``You can’t dance around or over me, cannot provoke me, even arouse me or hear the scream of my soul. You could never hear that scream. I have stopped screaming...``

Very few writers can put such heart and soul into their writing.

I don`t mean to embarrass you (cause I know you hate that) but I believe you are better than most of the writers who publish on Chowk.



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#30 Posted by Awaaz on October 17, 2000 9:38:51 pm
Temporal,

As I read this piece, I physically had to cover my ears, because I started to hear some of the writer`s screams. Very moving, piece. Thank you.



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#29 Posted by ylh on October 17, 2000 9:38:51 pm
What a sick and demented person!



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#28 Posted by Urstruly on October 17, 2000 3:48:40 pm
t!

I am speechless.


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#27 Posted by temporal on October 17, 2000 3:06:40 pm
Ashi nee Akram NOT Ikram?

Here is the response from the cadaver. I am giving up on Chowk. So submit this story as a rejoinder to yours to come out simultaneous in the Herald or Newsline wherever I read you a fortnight ago. (Contact me at temporal3@hotmail.com first: this is still a draft. Would like to brush it some more.)

Note for other friends: Please read Ashi first, and then continue with this story.

_____________________________________________________________

FROM THE TABLE

“Tu paire sanbhaal,” the Edhi attendant said to the driver.

They put an unwashed blanket, reeking of intimacy with cadavers, over me. The para-medic grabbed my head and the driver grabbed the feet. My body was still warm and some droplets of urine dribbled out from the bottom of the jeans to the ground.

“Bhenc--ud, marnay kay liya yahaaN aajatay haiN,” the hardened volunteer said to the driver. Not knowingly, but fairly accurately.

I was here, there, everywhere. My body was dead but I was alive. It was a strange sensation to follow my body in the groaning Suzuki ambulance to the Abbasi Hospital. At times I was in my old body gazing at the roof of the ambulance in the stifling heat with electrical wires protruding from where the lights were ripped out. And then I was flying over the ambulance, to the side, behind, front through the windscreen over my body and through the rear windows back over the ambulance, hovering, feeling, seeing.

At the hospital they picked me up by the head and feet and threw me down on a rusted stretcher, wheels squeaking love songs for some grease. Not Alfred J. As my head fell on the cold floor of the mortuary I felt a wave of pleasure start from the head and then pass through the rest of the body. Then they switched off the lone dirty bulb and closed the door behind them.

The first time I had toka ---- TOKe+vodkA ---, suburban Fairfax, fall ‘88, that first time I felt the same out of body experience. We were in the third year of marriage. My third, her second. They fetched my body to another room, ripping open my clothes, before dumping me on the cold slab. Rigor mortis must have set in. My body was getting stiff. They threw another coarse, previously touched blanket Somebody turned on the light -- bright lights in my face. I tried to look up, dark hazy covered face, the perfume --- I could almost name the perfume --- it was Rasheeda’s favourite perfume, she had picked it up on that jaunt in San Andres, what is the name? So when you are dead the memory still remains imperfect. Hmmmm. She pulled down the coarse sheet none too gently and put a cross on my chest, rather unartistically, I felt.

So I was another destitute for her. Another body to carve up dispassionately. Only she was passionate in an impassioned way. Another cross above the belly button. Markers to open me up. Why the silly formality? Force of habit, it must be. Why does it matter how long the cut is? The body is not going to be entered into some beauty pageant.

She struggles with clamps, opens the chest walls and cuts loose my once aching heart. I get a closer look at her. She is beautiful in a natural way. But she is dressed up as a teenage slut at the corner of Jarvis and Wellesley wiggling ass in high stilettos, bending over whispering 50 for a blow, 100 for a f--k 200 for a round the world.

I can see trouble -- sense trouble behind the plastered cheerfulness of her demeanor. Other time, other occasion I would have helped her out of her trouble. Hah, I haven’t changed even after death. Could not straighten out the mess in my life. Three failed marriages, one great relationship, two maybe five children all came to this. Just instantly...

Oh, I recall now. It was the Evening Mist, ever so delicately sprayed between her cleavage. She is troubled. My initial suspicion is confirmed. She want to rouse the dead! My lids were pinned open. She look into my eyes, looking for my soul. I was just behind her, in her, over her, to her left and to her right. I was everywhere but behind my eyes. I sensed the sadness behind her eyes. In-laws? Mother? His or hers? Shahid? Nasir? Ken? Damn, there I go trying to help her resolve her demons. Damn, even when I am dead.

Her eyes tell me, “I`ve had my share of suffering at the hands of men, bending down to them; succumbing to their will; enduring their looks and what not.” My eyes don’t. But I tell her, cut it out babe. It is a two way street. I wouldn’t be on this table for you to slice me up if it weren’t for the wounds lately self inflicted but originally caused by your kind. Sure marriages flicker and flounder and go on the rocks, mother and child go their separate ways, relationships bloom and go bust, but amidst all the probing in the dark I did find her. My beacon of hope. My lighthouse. My Noor. I volunteered for rehab. Was mending my erratic ways. Even found that steady behind the counter job at a 7/24 coffee place. True, no comparison to the VP for Human Resources for the #33 of the Fortune 500. Was it after my second wife walked out or third?

I should have stuck to soft drugs. A toke here or there led to serious abuse. First self. Next close ones. I thought I was laughing and enjoying. Just reflected an intense loathing of the self at not being able to cope with life, pressures and relationships --- it all had to blow in my face someday. From a pedestal to the gutter the journey was a fast ride. And I laughed all the way down. No tears for this boy, missy.

Then Nuri picked me up literally from the Church and King corner where I was pan handling. Fed me. Bathed me. No more lining up for beds at the Scotts Mission to escape the bitter cold. Slowly the fog cleared in my mind. With realistic and lowered expectations I began a slow climb out of the morass.
Told you I even started working. For a change I began to see at the distant horizon rather than just over my back.


So you want to “do with them what I wish, how I wish, when I wish, without them being able to even utter a moan.” Pity you are cutting my insides to come to terms with the hurt inside you. We drift -- a life long drift -- undirected -- at the whims of time and tide controlled by Him, or him or her, but never ourselves. You are still not a bad person, I can see. Just look up. Not down at my dead innards. Look up at those around you. Who are still loving, smirking, f--king, loathing, hating, grunting, and abusing you and others. You have to stand tall, confront yourself first. Then look in their eyes. Fight your battles there.
Let them know your hurts and hates and loves. One understanding look or nod will be worth it for you. Forget my cadaver. This is no sublimation. Nor a retribution. Our paths never crossed.

One morning Nuri left for work early. Left a yellow sticky on the coffee percolator with this message: ‘love you, sleep well.’ She had a habit of leaving messages for me all around. Sometimes I will find them on my pillow, sometimes on the bathroom mirror. Reassuring for me and I guess for her as well. Last one ever. Some crazy demented person shoved her in front of the subway car at Old Mills. She died on impact. Metro’s finest came knocking at 11am. I was fast asleep. After they left I still thought I was dreaming. That was the first toka in over a year for me.

I was drugged and shocked. Faintly recall the funeral. Packing some books and clothing and heading for the airport on a Tuesday. Took a PIA back to Karachi. Bought a Silent Sam at the duty free to ease me through the long flight. When I woke up next I was at a bus shelter in a new area of the city that wasn’t there 20 years ago. It was dusty, dilapidated and worn out like what I remember of the area between PIB and Golimar along the river. Or like the one behind the Columbus -- was it Ack Ack School? I had no bag, no papers, no money, no clothes. I soon found out I could live in that city without any thing. Not even will. Passerby occasionally threw money at me. Other squatters will trade it with drugs. So I lived in those bustees, wandered and consumed my organs for deadening relief, and died one day to end on your table.

You can’t dance around or over me, cannot provoke me, even arouse me or hear the scream of my soul. You could never hear that scream. I have stopped screaming...

Forget me. Another listless cadaver. Look after that fellow. He is good. You are not bad either. I am sure you can resolve the bothers. Learn to listen.


Ja’nay dou yaar
marnay dou yaar
hum tou azaad hogaye
wahaaN pohanch gaye
freed finally
of all desires, whims
of any retribution
from friend or foe
[ achcha bhi nahiN lagta hay
kahaaN ki kaisi yeh sharafat hay
takaleef pur auroN ki haNsna
ya haNsaana?]

SaNbh’lo aur saNbhalo
abhee waq’t guzra nahiN
Naz’r say pehlay apni hee naz’r milao
phir jhanko apnoN ki nighaouN main
haal-e-dil su’no aur su’naao.

Listening
to the pain of others
speaks volumes
--- this ability to listen
is worth more
anytime anyplace
than those sermons
from the mounts or pedestals.

haal-e-dil su’no aur su’naoo
aur mooskurao
aur phir mooskurao

_________________30_____________


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#26 Posted by sac on October 17, 2000 10:51:50 am
re slink #17:

Sorry to interrupt the girl-talk here but what`s so unusual about female doctors trying to look good before their rounds? Most lady doctors I`ve come across end up looking and dressing like their unkempt male counterparts a couple of years into their residencies or profession. The ones that don`t stand out. All power to them.

later

-sac

P.S: Please go easy on me.



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#25 Posted by dL on October 17, 2000 10:51:50 am
Undercurrents of hard core pornographic literature. I`m not sure why (and probably not intended by the author-ess at all) but thats what this piece reminded me off. Yes yes I know what the comparison implies about my reading habits -but its well off the mark.

very strange. good writing though.

cheers

dL



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#24 Posted by scout on October 17, 2000 10:51:50 am
slink #21, ``our taste in men is obviously very very different :)``

No it`s not. They`re all packaged the same way with their Little Richard`s in their brains.

Lubna #22,

Tum mujhe bhagay ka choro gi :)

AH #20,

thank you



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#23 Posted by Harpreet on October 17, 2000 10:51:50 am
Ayesha,

I think this is a brilliant piece of work. It does what all good writing should do, engage and provoke thought....shades of necrophiliac revenge fantasy...the objectification of the human body, its ultimate physical violation. This was refreshing and disturbing. Am I the only one to sense the deep dark black humour here? I like the way the work makes us confront our fear and fascination with the body.

I also like the mixture of poetry and prose, the narrator preparing for the cadaver as she would for a date....excellent...ambiguous

Dark, disturbing, imaginative...brilliant....

I think it is wrong to describe it as a feminist piece..such knee jerk politicising detracts from its imaginative powers as a work of literature

I think Ayesha is a very talented writer...

Harpreet



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#22 Posted by lubna on October 17, 2000 3:46:51 am
scout #20:

abhi tak? tum nahi sudharney wali... sigh...

[[Damn, I`d put some lipstick on if Humayun Saeed was my patient or Rahat Kazmi (back when he was young) was my attending.]]

care to pass the lipstick this way when you`re done? :) btw - think mr kazmi is even better looking now.



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#21 Posted by slink on October 17, 2000 2:13:41 am
scout..

our taste in men is obviously very very different :)

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#20 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 17, 2000 1:42:31 am
sameerjb (63)

Do you really think Islam will keep `us` - whoever that is - humble? If the current situation in `Islamic` countries is anything to go by, I seriously doubt it. Unless by humble you meant poor, hungry, uneducated as well as illiterate, and of course deluded.

-p



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#19 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 17, 2000 1:42:31 am
adnan #54 I agree with you. MQM was the creation of Nawaz Sharif incidentally, who was a creation of Zia. MQM was just as brutal as Zia - it had torture chambers while Zia had the lash. Mushahid Sahib may wish to comment on what inspired him to join this group (although it appears Mushahid is doing any commenting anytime soon on chowk).



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#18 Posted by scout on October 17, 2000 1:42:31 am
slink #17, `` i also thought of certain female doctors i know, who dress up when they go on their rounds. dont know why they do, but they do.``

It`s to get the hunky doctors or patients.

Damn, I`d put some lipstick on if Humayun Saeed was my patient or Rahat Kazmi (back when he was young) was my attending.



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#17 Posted by slink on October 17, 2000 12:58:39 am
this is not a product of a disturbed mind, this is experimentation. please stop confusing the writers personality with her work.
this piece was indeed disturbing for it`s implications..living in a society that preys on women can make you twisted, frayed, suicidal, all kinds of things. i also thought of certain female doctors i know, who dress up when they go on their rounds. dont know why they do, but they do.
interesting stuff ayesha, do keep writing.

shandana

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#15 Posted by alireza on October 16, 2000 9:43:33 pm
Brilliant!

A recommendation, though:

when slicing, try not to use a brand new blade. A blunt edge provides much more pleasure since it actually rips and shreds skin instead of just gliding through. It`s messier as well.



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#14 Posted by suroor on October 16, 2000 9:43:33 pm


Just a little to give back to our patriarchal, hypocritical society.

Ahhh...revenge is shooooo shwweeeet.



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#13 Posted by aicha on October 16, 2000 9:43:33 pm
he he he - surprised your husband sleeps at all!!



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#12 Posted by Aisha_Sarwari on October 16, 2000 9:43:33 pm
``the ancestor of every ation is thought`` I read this in Nepoleon`s Think and Grow Rich.... I hate to imagine what your acts must be like....

Euuuu!!!

Get a LIFE!!!

Wassalam.

-Aisha



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#11 Posted by lubna on October 16, 2000 9:43:33 pm
Ayesha:

Disturbing.... well done - your objective has been achieved..... (that is what you were trying to achieve, right?)



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#10 Posted by Urstruly on October 16, 2000 6:34:48 pm
I AM GLAD THAT I AM A WOMAN-by annonymous (perhaps it is conventional wisdom)

I`m glad I`m a woman, yes I am, yes I am
I don`t live off of Budweiser, beer nuts and Spam

I don`t brag to my buddies about my erections
I won`t drive to Hell before I ask for directions

I don`t get wasted at parties and act like a clown
and I know how to put the damned toilet seat down!

I won`t grab your hooters, I won`t pinch your butt
my belt buckle`s not hidden beneath my beer gut

and I don`t go around ``readjusting`` my crotch
or yell like Tarzan when my head-board gets a notch

I don`t belch in public, I don`t scratch my behind
I`m a woman you see -- I`m just not that kind!

I`m glad I`m a woman, I`m so glad I could sing
I don`t have body hair like shag carpeting

It doesn`t grow from my ears or cover my back
When I lean over you can`t see 3 inches of crack

And what`s on my head doesn`t leave with my comb
I`ll never buy a toupee to cover my dome

Or have a few hairs pulled from over the side
I`m a woman, you know -- I`ve got far too much pride!

And I honestly think its a privilege for me
to have these two boobs and squat when I pee

I don`t live to play golf and shoot basketball
I don`t swagger and spit like a Neanderthal

I won`t tell you my wife just does not understand
stick my hand in my pocket to hide that gold band

or tell you a story to make you sigh and weep
then screw you, roll over and fall sound asleep!

Yes, I`m glad I`m a woman, a woman you see
you can forget all about that old penis envy

I don`t long for male bonding, I don`t cruise for chicks
join the Hair Club For Men, or think with my dick

I`m a woman by chance and I`m thankful it`s true
I`m so glad I`m a woman and not a man like you!


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#9 Posted by tahmed321 on October 16, 2000 2:52:29 pm
I hope for your sake that you are being funny.



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#8 Posted by Kant_Patel on October 16, 2000 2:52:29 pm
If I were him, I will be asleep with both eyes open, O`darde katil!



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#7 Posted by fRoG gOdDeSs on October 16, 2000 2:52:29 pm
I began feasting on what I thought what would be a good article and it turned quite disgusting by the end of my patience. Given the kind of emotions you have been able to extract do I thank you or rue you?



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#6 Posted by Raw_Dust on October 16, 2000 2:52:29 pm


How much absurd may it seems compared to your article but my thought is to congratulate you at this point in Time where u after being the One who has felt it and has devised the most Suitable methodology, should i say, to reciprocate what man r doing since ages with women...??!!

i would like to say to chowkstaff that we have had enough of this stereotypical so-called-feministic sophistry here lately.

stuff that provokes the thought process should also be a part of chowk publications....not?



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#5 Posted by fuzair on October 16, 2000 1:48:39 pm
If tongue-in-cheek, it is not funny.
If serious, it is too disturbing.



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#4 Posted by Awakening Hopef on October 16, 2000 1:18:45 pm
re sarwari #48:

``don`t understand why you would refer to Pakistan as a hapless country? Could you quit being a loser!``

Fasanay mein jiska zikr tak na tha

Wohi baat unhein nagawar guzri hai( F_K, temporal, Zahra please feel free to correct!!).

Pakistan is not a hapless country. It is merely an illusion(no pun intended). And yes I am a loser. Deal with it. Anything else?

re ferozek #51:

Found your narrative enjoyable. How about writing a longer article on the same subject?

later

-sac



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#3 Posted by rehanhasanansar on October 16, 2000 9:48:35 am
Moidalam #29 you write ``There is no use to expect anything from this meeting. ``

What do we lose by encouraging PM to try and bring peace with Vajpayee? If he fails, we are no worse off than we have been for the past 50 years. If he succeeds, then it is much easier to cut down the military budget. On the other hand by trying to sabotage the discussions, as BB and NS people clearly are trying to do, we are losing yet another chance to bring peace. I hope you will see the logic of what I am saying here.



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#2 Posted by scout on October 16, 2000 9:48:35 am
``And so to have them in a place where I can do with them what I wish, how I wish, when I wish, without them being able to even utter a moan.``

Cutting up a human body is the saddest thing.

Most of these people don`t have families who care enough to do a proper burial. And the rest donate themselves to science. I think they deserve a lot of respect. I thanked the poor old man who`s body I desicrated with a scalpel and my hands after we finished out anatomy class.

Yeah, I know you`re experimenting with your creative abilities, but I personally didn`t like this piece.



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#1 Posted by rafay_alam on October 16, 2000 9:48:35 am
This could be the product of a disturbed mind.



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