A Different Story

Gymnosophist#

Circular and circular logic.

Indians say creation of Pakistan is not justified. When I tell Muslims who migrated to Pakistan are doing very good. They say but you don`t want to be a Hindu in Pakistan.

I also don`t know what India is all about. Really judging by action and not rhetoric, I can judge very well what it is about.

And why should a Muslim name Ram Khan. (Although, it can be done and other unusual names are not uncommon among Muslims). But why a person should have to leave his culture and identity. A person can and should retain his culture and identity and participate in life. Only a persecuted people or people who look for short term benefit do that. See all the christian, germanized and russiaized name of jews, and you will realize what I mean. In America where they are getting some freedom, they are reverting back to their jewish names.(probably to change it later)

RSaxena #277

Is Ram Mohan the same guy who cleaned your mess on Brooklyn Bridge.

Re: gymno on krashid

Rumor has it that, ironically, Krashid has tried to pass himself off as Ram Mohan in the US several times.

assadk,

:O)

relax, take a deep breath...maybe even switch to decaff.

[...Kaff! They have? Gosh, I must have been misreading the immediate wave of `Well, you`re just another jahil jihadi` mesages that follow any such implication...]

let me say that you have been reading ONLY those messages. on chowk, most of the time, people (on either side) get a response based on how/what they write. so a bilal post gets the `bilal reply`, a sadhana post gets the `sadhana reply`, a krashid post gets the `krashid reply` and an ali1 post gets the `ali1 reply`. you can concentrate on whatever you want.

[...That`s right, I forgot that I had called you a saffron-wearing...]

well i didn`t call you any names, did i? i was merely pointing out that the `fascinating mindset` (`sweeping generalization` is what i understood from that) that you accused others of, is precisely what you continue to display.

Concerned re:272

Well, this board is almost off the front page.. such a pity!

[Yes. That was deliberate! Ain’t we allowed to have some fun? especially when you come to `defend` the great krashid?]

So your imlication is.. what? That you were being `sarcastic` in your own way (online sarcasm, lacking nonverbal cues, needs to be a lot broader to ensude that it is seen as such), or you were cheerfully misrepresenting the truth?

[You have been here long enough to know very well that many on this forum have expressed doubts over the `right`. And they have been interacted with in a far more reasonable manner than you described as...]

Kaff! They have? Gosh, I must have been misreading the immediate wave of `Well, you`re just another jahil jihadi` mesages that follow any such implication.. note how, on another board, Contemplative might have been taken seriously again had he not questioned that God (or Nehru?) given right! But heck, I guess my own jaw should have been smashed to a bloody pulp when I was a kid..

[so ain`t you displaying the same fascinating mindset that you accuse others of?]

That`s right, I forgot that I had called you a saffron-wearing, trident carrying shaven-headed chap whose aim is to wipe out every God fearing Muslim in the Valley (for a good start).

Ref krashid #: 273

You said {What mental torture Indian Muslims would be suffering I can only imagine. And why they are still looked with suspicion even after 50 years, I can judge.}

Don`t imagine or attempt to judge. Just talk to the guy who just arrived at my place of work 4 weeks ago. He is happily chatting away with his Hindu, Christian and Sikh colleagues, eating lunch together, sharing dishes, and behaving in every way as if he belonged. As indeed he does. Oh, yes; I know what you are going to say: Jinnah offered his glass of water to a Hindu after drinking from it and the Hindu wouldn`t accept it. Keep alive the memories of Jinnah!

You said {I am not worried by these self righteous people writing from the top of mountain bigoted degreed people, curiously thinking themselves as educated.}

Perhaps you should be worried about the fact that YOU are writing while having not any idea what India is about.

You said {I always thank God that I was born in Pakistan, and I should always be thankful to Jinnah for not having to live with inferiority complex laden superior people.}

Would you care to repeat your thanks after reading all the posts on Bilal Ahmad`s board on a federal structure for Pakistan?

You should give thanks that you were not born before 1971 to Bengali parents in East Pakistan. You should also thank Allah that you were born a Muslim in Pakistan rather than a Hindu. It is Thanksgiving season in the US and if you actually start counting your blessings, you will be on your knees facing Mecca and not have time to write absolute rubbish.

By the way, all of you who are raising the issue why 14% of Indians in the US are not Indian Muslims, how come I haven`t seen ONE Pakistani Hindu (mind you, not one percent) anywhere in the US? Exactly how many Hindus did you have in your medical and engineering colleges as your classmates? How come in public Pakistani Hindus have to use names like Husain or Ahmad? Do you think that Indian Muslims name their kids Ram Khan?

Asad K #270

Thanks. You don`t need to to a thing, which ANNOYS concerned and other Indians.

What mental torture Indian Muslims would be suffering I can only imagine. And why they are still looked with suspicion even after 50 years, I can judge.

I am not worried by these self righteous people writing from the top of mountain bigoted degreed people, curiously thinking themselves as educated. These NATIONALIST:-) thinking themselves as belonging to human race and a blot on humanity. Labelling people.

I always thank God that I was born in Pakistan, and I should always be thankful to Jinnah for not having to live with inferiority complex laden superior people.

assadk:

[...you jump to the conclusion that I automatically agree with all the opinions krashid has expressed over time...]

Yes. That was deliberate! Ain’t we allowed to have some fun? especially when you come to `defend` the great krashid?

[...That`s the same fascinating mindset that implies that having any doubts about Indias `right` to Kashmir...]

You have been here long enough to know very well that many on this forum have expressed doubts over the `right`. And they have been interacted with in a far more reasonable manner than you described as...

[...automatically condemns one as being a green-turbaned, long bearded, gun weilding thug whose sole aim in life is to get everyone I can living in the 7th century AD and sending everyone else to hell (personally if possible)...]

so ain`t you displaying the same fascinating mindset that you accuse others of?

[...Of course, i may well have misinterpreted krashid myself...]

if anyone can interpret krashid, it is the man himself.

This is an interesting story. Pakistan is trying to revive the Khalistan movement. They wants Sikhs to unite in anti-India fight. Royal Canadian Police have accused Pakistan for sheltering Sikhs who were accused in Air-India crash probe.

By Raja Asghar



ISLAMABAD, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The chief executive of the Pakistan-ruled part of the disputed Kashmir region on Tuesday called for a joint anti-India ``freedom struggle`` by Kashmiris and Sikhs living in the northern Indian state of Punjab.

``We have to go along together,`` Prime Minister Sultan Mahmood Chaudhry said in a speech to a group of Indian Sikhs living in Europe and now in Pakistan to visit their religious shrines.

He said followers of the Sikh faith and Kashmiris had made great sacrifices and now should unite to ``snatch freedom.``

``Now it is time to step up the movement in Kashmir and (Indian) Punjab,`` Chaudhry said in Punjabi, a language spoken in India`s Punjab state and the populous central Pakistani province of Punjab.

Muslim militant groups are engaged in a decade-old separatist revolt in Indian-ruled Kashmir. New Delhi put down a violent Sikh campaign for a separate ``Khalistan`` homeland in Punjab in the 1980s.

Chaudhry said minority communities in India had suffered, showing it was a ``Hindu dictatorship rather than the world`s largest democracy.`` He urged all minorities to ``unite in the struggle.``

Some Sikh activists who spoke on the occasion apparently shared Chaudhry`s views.

``We look forward to the day when both Kashmir and Khalistan will gain independence,`` said Sukhwinder Singh, a visitor from Britain.

``Both (Kashmiri and Sikh) nations are fighting for independence,`` said Harbinder Singh, another activist from Britain.

Some Sikhs bitterly recalled events in the Sikh campaign of the 1980s, including an Indian army assault on the holiest Sikh shrine of Golden Temple and the killing of Sikhs in New Delhi after a Sikh guard assassinated prime minister Indira Gandhi.

Sikhs had joined Hindus against Muslims in the communal massacres that accompanied the partition of the sub-continent at independence in 1947. But Chaudhry said both communities should forget ``mistakes of the past`` and unite for what he called a common cause.

He also asked Kashmiris and Sikhs living in Britain to unite to influence British elections to gain support for their causes from British members of parliament. He said Kashmiris and Sikhs together could influence results in some 75 British parliamentary constituencies.

``If that happens then (Prime Minster) Tony Blair would not say...that India should be given a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council,`` he said about India`s desire to get that status.

India controls about 45 percent and Pakistan over a third of Kashmir, over which the two countries have fought two of their three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947. China holds the rest of the territory.

Concerned,

You`re a funny old chap/chapess. By my pointing out that I think that Gymno interpreted krashids comments wrongly you jump to the conclusion that I automatically agree with all the opinions krashid has expressed over time (and they are many!). That`s the same fascinating mindset that implies that having any doubts about Indias `right` to Kashmir, or for having any qualms about the delicacy of an interfaith marriage, automatically condemns one as being a green-turbaned, long bearded, gun weilding thug whose sole aim in life is to get everyone I can living in the 7th century AD and sending everyone else to hell (personally if possible).

Of course, i may well have misinterpreted krashid myself.. or gymno.. or both. I`m sure Gymno would let me know as soon as he read this (if he does..).

{So a `well above average` guy is one who knows that there are differences between an `average pakistani thought` and a `chowk pakistani thought`, but isn`t quite clear about what those differences are. However, he is certain that the `average indian` is a `hindoo fundoo`.}

Boy, you still have no idea what I meant, do you? Oh, well, try not to worry about it, you`ve scored another victory over another jehadi! Damn, you`re good!

Cheers, AK

Re: assadk

So a `well above average` guy is one who knows that there are differences between an `average pakistani thought` and a `chowk pakistani thought`, but isn`t quite clear about what those differences are. However, he is certain that the `average indian` is a `hindoo fundoo`. This he concludes, by agreeing with the comments of someone who is abusive to women in cyberspace and who also threatened to kill a fellow muslim for disagreeing with him not too long ago.

Who would you agree with next, assadk? The guy who said ‘Aaakkhthooo?’

:O)

TALE OF TWO COUNTRIES,

On the chowk pakistanis are a patriotic lot, every actions of their govt including support for jihadists in kashmir is reinterpreted as fight for `freedom`, devoting 40% of the budget to army is a necessity to keep the freedom, balance the threat from india so that the people can slowly slide into the abys. A country from where educated in thousands are fleeing, taking the scarce capital with them, the following is some thing that the educated can copy from the indians, stop the chatter on the chowk, just listen and learn for a change,

fron Times of india

``NEW DELHI: The India Millennium Deposit of the State Bank of India (SBI) has mopped up $5.2 billion and the collections may finally turn out to be even higher as figures from around the globe are still being collated.

According to Birendra Kumar, managing director of SBI Capital Market, the lead manager to the issue, this has surpassed all expectations. When the issue was launched on October 21, the then chairman of SBI, G G Vaidya, had envisaged the core size of the issue at only $2 billion.

The Gulf Indians are again the major contributors. They had left behind their more prosperous Silicon Valley cousins last time around when a total of $ 4.23 billion was raised through resurgent India bond (RIB). This time the issuer even did not bother to get the complicated clearances of USA regulator and decided not to market the instrument in USA. Gulf Indian have contributed over $ 2 billion in the programme.

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RE: krashid

No, I am not from TX. Went to school there in the 80s. Anything I can do for you?

sincerely

Concerned re:263

Well, I`m inclined to discuss the concept of sarcasm here, but that would take a while.. so I`ll content myself with saying that I believe I`m well above average, and I`m not restricting myself to Pakistanis!

How about you?

Cheers, AK

Ali 1#

Are you from Texas.

Ali1: Thanks for the information. Are you sure about CS standing for Computer Sciences and not Creation Sciences at Yai Yai Oooooo........