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krashid @212:

[If I was in India, probably I would have been slaughtered in the name of democracy and secularism by people who cannot even spell it.]

Don`t worry. even if you were in pakistan, you would have been offered to be slaugtered in India in the name of jehad by the people whose only purpose in life is to breed it.

krashid @208:

[Even for your poor english krashid is to be blamed:-) ]

oh my, can`t believe it!!... for once in life, EVEN you take responsibility for something ? boy, is krashid maturing ??? oh, no!, it can`t be YOU :-)

Ylh,

No I don`t follow posts on a regular basis and don`t intend to. Regarding Hindu patrika, well I didn`t look it up and am not going to. I think we all have a fair assessment of the minority situation in Pakistan. Tell you what, Arab and Syrians in proper Israel and Golan Height also have a lot of loyalties to Israel. And that is a fact you can confirm. So I wouldn`t be surprised there is a pro-paki Hindu organization and pakis will do all to flaunt it. Now could I find you pro-Indian Kashmiri Muslim organization? Yeah...Would the views of these organizations reflect the popular sentiment? I will let you answer that.

And by the way you should not use religious fascist bigoted Canadian organization to further your arguments. The Sikh organization that you identified well let me tell you something about them. They are Sikh fundoos. They want to go back to the sixteen century, the time of Nanak. Not the type of people you should trust. They are constantly threatening everybody over religious purity. They don`t want gurdawaras using tables and chairs of langar because ``Baba Nanak didn`t use one`` but are perfectly at ease with temperature control and microphones, and have murdered people on the issue. Not the type of people you should use to support you arguments against India. Do you think they really like Muslims? Do you think they have forgotten the genocide, and I mean a really genocide where Mugal were paying good money for Sikh corpses. Do you think they forgotten that Muslims killed Guru Tek Bahadur and entombed Guru Gobind Singh`s 5 & 6 year old sons alive? Oh wait, that was Hindu baniya pundit that tricked the Muslims into all that. It is the Indian propaganda that didn`t let us learn that part of the history and that how they got the Sikh to side with Hindus and not Pakistan.

Do you know real Punjabi history and understand true feeling of Sikhs towards Muslim. I do because I lived in Punjab for 3 years. Do you understand why and who started Punjabi secessionist. Surprise surprise, Hindu Punjabis started the whole movement and most first separatist were Hindu Punjabis, but the movement was latter hijacked the Sikh fundoos. They had support of less than 50% Sikhs in Punjab and that is less than 25% of the population. Separate nation sounded all too well for English, Canadian, and American Sikhs but that was never what the overwhelming majority wanted, 75% that is. Thousand of people were killed to entertain religious patriotism of Sikhs in Birmingham, Yuba City, and Vancouver. And thousand of poor Pakistanis forced into mercenarism are dying to entertain territorial ambitions of mullahs and paki madmen. Kashmir doesn`t have as much to do with the wishes of the people because the wishes of non-Sunni Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists don`t count. Only Sunni wishes count and I suspect, actually I know, their wishes are pro-paki of expedient reasons. If you want to give people a choice, give every one and choice and not just those you agree with. You may use all the circular argument you want but they only work with people you agree with. And don`t try and insult peoples` intelligence, at least not here because most of the people are relatively smart and can easily spot a fraud. I don`t intend that you are a fraud and are trying to insult peoples intelligence but sometimes you argument are circular and deeply fraud which you fail to notice even when pointed out. No one is fallible and often only way to refine you arguments is to detect the flaws when pointed out, acknowledge them, and then refine them. This forum gives you the best opportunity and in the professional world, the ability to correct yourself is a very valuable skill.

You are welcomed to go to India, just stay away for Kashmir and tribal areas and don`t overstay you visa. There isn`t any point in giving those greedy fooks any opportunity to horde any money out of you.

ahmadb @202:

[P. S. Dear Viking (Reply # 197): In my post (Reply # 11), it was just a friendly remark. Please note that I and temporal are cyber friends and respect each other.]

easy professor, easy. :-)

think about it honestly. that was your very first post on this board. had you contributed something for the discussion and then added your ``friendly remark`` as a postscript, would it not have helped to reinforce the impression that you practice what you preach ?

Ylh

If Gandhi could have been wrong, personally I do have a few issues with him but that is besides the point, don`t you think so could have Jinnah.

Ylh

The situation is never too bad or irreparable as long as you belong to the upper echelons of the society, which I believe you are a part of. The situation is ever to bad for energetic idealistic youth because they feel they and reason with people. People are irresponsible--that is their nature. Once your start fever it`s practically impossible to contain it until it consumes itself. That is what`s happening in Pakistan. Your religious bandit and terrorist threaten India, which is a given, west and America, the ally you want to keep at all costs, on regular basis with impunity. Do you think they can be reasoned with? Do they care what the interests of the nation are? To them Islam, and I do question that because they are most likely using Islam for their personal benefits, is the objective and all the want is a place in heaven with 72 virgins. Sick little fooks.

I was just thinking about what I previously wrote, ``Pakistan will implode and emerge as a new nation where religion or military wouldn`t cast its ugly shadow.`` I was just thinking about Afghanistan and Sudan and now I`m not too sure about my previous statement.

And little kant Kardish, I`m coming to England in a little while, why don`t we meet up. We could discuss this in person without having to wait 24+ hours for a response.

And by the way kardish, we are very glad you are not a part of us. Take it as a solace or an insult, it doesn`t matter to us. You relieved us of a large amount of scum in the name of muslim brotherhood and we only wish we could send more sucm over. You could have them converted to Islam and live happily ever after. Will you take me on my proposition?

Saw one off my Paki friends yesterday. She returned me a piggybank I got her for her birthday. I thought you people just couldn`t eat pork but apparently you can`t even have a little pigs toy. I`m still flustered trying to grasp this reasonlessness.....

And yes Kardish, inbreeding has pruified the Paki genetics removing all evidence of its kafir past.

Yes Kardish there is always something to be learned from every situation. Unfortunately some people never do.

Manoj :

Perhaps Jinnah was far ahead of his time in his vision of Pakistan. It would certainly explain why we don`t understand him. Perhaps he was so far ahead that his vision has been made irrelevant by the backward march of history.

-arun gupta

IT canbring Indians and Pakistanis closer, much closer

http://news.indiainfo.com/2000/11/03/pakit.html

Indian techies to help Pak IT sector

Nov 03, 2000 18:20 Hrs (IST)

Bangalore: A group of Indian information technology (IT) entrepreneurs based in the United States said on Friday that they will set up offices in Pakistan to promote the country`s nascent IT sector.

``TiE (The IndUS entrepreneurs) (http://www.tie.org) is not concerned with political, religious and cultural issues. Entrepreneurship unites and not divides,`` Raj Popli, vice-chairman of The Indus Entrepreneurs (TiE), told reporters on the sidelines of a technology conference in Bangalore.

India and Pakistan have fought three full-scale wars since independence from Britain in 1947 and nearly came to blows again last year over the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. But this has not phased TiE, a network of IT entrepreneurs and professionals of Indian origin based in California`s Silicon Valley.

TiE advises tech entrepreneurs on raising capital, runs businesses and fosters entrepreneurship, and counts some of the biggest names in the global IT industry among its members.

Popli said the group would open offices in the Pakistani cities of Lahore and Karachi in February 2001. The organization currently has 22 offices around the world, he added.

Pakistan recently unveiled plans to invest up to 15 billion rupees ($250 million) in the next two years to promote the tech sector, including establishing a virtual university and seven other regular universities focused on information technology.

Pakistan`s software exports are worth something in the region of $30 million to $50 million, compared with India`s annual exports of $4 billion in 1999/2000 (April- March).

ylh : Back when the Babri Masjid was still standing, the Vishva Hindu Parishad claimed that Gandhi would have supported demolition of the mosque and provided a ``quote`` to support that. The date of the journal in which that quote was supposedly published was suspect. I spent an enormous amount of time with the 100-odd volumes of the Collected Works of Gandhi trying to find that quote or any statement close to it. (Now apparently a searchable CD of the Collected Works is available, so I will do the search again). I never found it.

So, I believe I am in touch with the tenor of Gandhi`s thought. Gandhi has been voicing ideas like it is best to offer oneself in sacrifice than to kill someone (or to run away) since the early 1900s.

Anyway, it is enormously difficult to prove that somebody did not say something; it is much easier if the claim is that somebody said something on a specific occasion. Even looking in 1918-19 is hard enough.

I have been reading the Pakistani Hindu Patrika for the last six months. I`ve been reading Dawn since 1991 or so. I`ve also been a linguistic and/or cultural minority whereever I`ve lived. In any case, I am sure you know more about Pakistani minorities than I do; and if you take a look, I have rarely if ever commented on them. The exceptions are when their situation reflects on a general principle -- such as joint versus separate electorates.

So, as they say, keep your eyes on the ball.

-arun gupta

to everyone...

there`s some real crap being dished out on this board. i really didn`t want to involve my self as i am preparing for my campus interviews that are coming up in 2 weeks time....

but reading some stuff i couldn`t resist my self...(won`t take any names)

[``PS Dont make a god out of Gandhi .. he could have made mistakes.``]

similarly jinnah was human too and he could have have made mistakes too.

[``Listen just because I have a lot of school work and a concert to organize ... you are taking undue advantage``]

no one is forcing u to do anything. u are here at your own free will and can ignore all of it if u want. all indians (at least on chowk) believe in democracy.

[I think our Watan is doomed- our junoon has taken us to this jehnoom. We are losing to the Jehadis and nothing is there to stop us from sliding this abyss.]

wish more people like u could realise this...

[India now says it will talk to Pakistan when the fighting stops.]

i think thats pretty straightforward....u cannot talk peace and kill at the same time, can u?????

someone called india a hindu terrorist state...

well...if thats the case, we wouldn`t be receiving the millions of $$$ as FDI, would we???

and i don`t remember any indian being caught anywhere in the world in the recent future for any terrorist attacks.

forget that...even in hollywood, sometimes terrorists are shown as pakistanis.

devkant.

Karakoram, you notice in the Indus waters case, when India and Pakistan could not agree, the World Bank, the mediator in that case, finally imposed a solution.

-arun gupta

What the young wannabe Persian does not realize is that were it not for Gandhi (and others like him), he would be driving around a British officer in a rickshaw somewhere in India.