When Pinky Broke My Heart

ms zahra,

``[That`s the hallmark of quite a few on board]``

And that is not a sweeping statement?

Please identify the interactors whose hall marks, according to you, are sweeping statements/generalization.

Urstruly #151: Very intersting statement:

[I think we should not scorn or scold Ali1 for him being blunt. A 12 years of civil war can do this to a man]

Here are few more similar statements for everybody to think about.

I think we should not scorn or scold Blacks for being blunt. A 300 years of slavery can do this to people.

I think we should not scorn or scold Amerindians for being blunt. A 500 years of genocide can do this to people.

I think we should not scorn or scold Hindu Indians for being blunt. A 700 years of subjugation can do this to people.

I think we should not scorn or scold feminist women for being blunt. A ????? years of maltreatment can do this to women.

Whatever happened to growing up? Growing out of this mold? There is no rason to throw mud at all people belonging to a particular culture. Most of them have nothing to do with whatever an individual`s grievances are.

Who plundered whom:



Further to my post # 150 and tahmed # 142

tahmed [``one could spend ten years trying to get the facts on who plundered what from whom and still not understand the true picture.``]

Just 10 years? Another punjabi chutya, Irfan Raja, our ex Deputy High Commisioner to Bangladesh, doesn`t know after 30 years as to who plundered whom in East Pakistan.

http://www.dailystarnews.com/200012/09/n0120902.htm#BODY3

Pakistani Diplomat`s Remarks and its Reaction

sincerely

Ali1:

Well, please accept my heartiest apologies for interrupting your ``Mur`seeyaa`` with my ``Unasked Fat`vaa`.``

A Friendly Tip[in a whispering tone]: In order to make your arguments spicier, make sure that you add lots of blanket statements and generalizations.
[That`s the hallmark of quite a few on board]

All the best,


Urstruly,
I will get back to your sermon later.

PS: It is a little hard to handle two interactors when one[Sinfae`Nazuk] is under the weather :-)[Shoon...Aachoo...Aachoo..Shoon..Shoon!!] Where is my damn Echinacea? Aa................. choo!

Zahra

I think we should not scorn or scold Ali1 for him being blunt. A 12 years of civil war can do this to a man. Beleive it or not, his sentiments are exactly those which are moving men and material in Karachi these days. Again we must not single out one party or other. It is the politics of hate, whether it is done by MQM or Punjabi-Pakhtoon Itehad; they use the same rhetoric and it works like magic. It has been working like magic. I wish we could somehow channel this energy into positive use. We could have done miracles. Unfortunately we used it to hurt each other. So here we are-bleeding, beaten, tired and lost.

tahmed [``I call this one-sided since you (a) ignore the fact that (per fairdinkum`s earlier post) that mohajirs came to Karachi in 1947 and took over businesses and homes left by the Hindus. Ever wonder what those Hindus did to deserve this theft of their property? ``]

Are you saying that Habib Bank, Muslim Commercial Bank, Adamjee Insurance, Isphahani Holdings, Eastern Federal Union, Jubilee Insurance etc. were businesses owned by Sindhi Hindus, stolen by Mohajirs??

[``(c) You talk about the plundering of muhajirs wealth by Panjab: one could spend ten years trying to get the facts on who plundered what from whom and still not understand the true picture.``]

Oh really! Please name a Punjabi owned business (JUST ONE) which has been forcibly taken over by mohajirs. Can you quote a single instance of transfer of Punjabi wealth to Sindh???

You contribute several thousand words per day to chowk. I hope you know what you are talking about.

sincerely

RE: Zahra # 148

[``I think your comments are not only ignorant, but are also lacking in substance``]

Thanks for the fatwa. I challenge you take any argument that I have given and prove that it lacks substance; or counter argue that it is incorrect/based on ignorance.

I don`t think that you have the intellectual capacity or the knowledge (like Bilal Ahmed for example)to pass sweeping judgements like these.

sincerely

Bahmed:
ditto! It is indeed a very strong word and people have a tendency to misuse it.

ali1:
Each person has his/her own biases and they are entitled to hold them. Those who claim to have none are talking jargon. It`s human nature to like and dislike. People who are worth ``something`` will prove themselves in all circumstances and scenarios. They cannot keep on mourning all the time. I think your comments are not only ignorant, but are also lacking in substance. Probably, you should come up with substantive arguments than putting forth lame excuses on behalf of Muhajirs and Sindhis.

What rubbish!

THE RHETORIC OF HATE

In the US, children and young adults often use the word ``hate`` to express their dislikeness for various things/conditions. Whenever my children used this word, I said to them: ``Hate is a very strong word.`` Now, even if I jokingly use this word, my grown-up sons jokingly tell me: ``Dad, hate is a very strong word.``

A feeling of hatred is actually a sign of weakness. How much prepared are we to empower ourselves?

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

P.S. Urstruly, I appreciate your post regarding hatred.

RATIONALE OF HATE

The human mind is a strange thing, it rationalizes everything, even emotions. It even rationalizes the hate; the strongest of the emotions. The toughest job a human can hand over to his mind is to rationalize hate; especially, when this hate is directed towards the fellow human beings. It is a great challenge for human mind; because no two humans are alike. So, then, we force our mind to “create” reality for us; we push it to its limits to filter every observation and perception through the sieve of our prejudices. We compel it (mind) to constantly feed us the ideas that will help us rationalize our prejudices. As its is said that the mind is a terrible thing to waste; wasting it yourself is tragedy.

Dear AnNy!

It is so hard to humble when one gets those kind of letters which you wrote. So I delayed the response to give myself sometime to deflate and to fit into my own Jaama. I have two words for you and you know where they are coming from:

THANK YOU.

Fairdinkum #136 Agreed on all points but one - I think it is not right to generalize about any people, and while you may have run against Sindhis who were lazy, that is true for all of them all of the time. No more than the same thing is true for Panjabis or Muhajirs or anyone else. Given the right environment, people can show remarkable energy and initiative. For example, if the hari has his own piece of land and the security that whatever he puts in he will get back, he will be far more interested in working. The same city-dweller who would have gone through life as a slow-moving bureaucrat puts in everything he has got when starting his own enterprise.

al1: Further to your previous post, I had said that you were ``distorting facts and presenting a one-sided picture``. You ask mee to explain how, so here goes:

You write ``Karachi’s (and Pakistan’s) financial foundations were laid with mohajir capital and mohajir expertise and know-how... Today, it is impossible for mohajirs to get a job even as a chaprasi in these banks... The difference is the accent: police stations echo with the pothowari “achna gachna” where as Habib Bank echoes with the guttural “haigha jay haigha jay” of Lahore/Gujranwala...The loot and transfer of wealth from Karachi to Punjab is without historical precedence in my view ``

I call this one-sided since you (a) ignore the fact that (per fairdinkum`s earlier post) that mohajirs came to Karachi in 1947 and took over businesses and homes left by the Hindus. Ever wonder what those Hindus did to deserve this theft of their property? (b) Your ridiculing of Panjabis in the above post does not deserve a reply, to call it one-sided is to elevate it. (c) You talk about the plundering of muhajirs wealth by Panjab: one could spend ten years trying to get the facts on who plundered what from whom and still not understand the true picture. I take back the statement that you are distorting facts - you are present know facts to begin with, all you present is a one-sided set of statements, ethnic slurs, and other remarks designed to create rifts between Pakistanis.

I also notice from your last post that your pea-sized brain is getting overheated from use. Well, dont expect me to help you find your way to the looney bin when you are well enough to realize that is where you belong - you`ll just have to get there by yourself.

Re #: 121 fairdinkum

fairdinkum it is :=)

by manipulation Sir, I mean the differences created amongst the various groups that you all write such `humungous` post about. Nobody is born with these feelings of inferiority nor with those of superiority. Some thing, rather someone causes them. And I believe that it`s those on top that do so. Divide and rule. But we wont focus on that. They will come and they will go; not leaving an iota of good behind.

Unimportant people in the face of all the wonders and changes that you and I can and will bring about. You ask what we can do to reduce if not eliminate the hate.

`Love` I suggest.

If you look at it from my point of view Sir, things are really quite simple. My dad tells me that in 65 when he was a teenager, people would hug and make up on the streets in the case of a clash of interest. ``We are one`` He says the entire country crackled with this overwhelming, crackling electrical feeling of brotherhood. Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis and Pathans- all were one. This is not to suggest that another war please be started to bring us scattered groups together.

But if it happened once, just a few decades ago, why not again?

The people of this country are beautiful. They are capable of so much beauty and love that it sometimes leaves me stunned. We are as a nation, good people. The good is filhaal, buried under disgust, hopelessness, frustration and hence corruption of all sorts.

We all here, are privileged. Good education`s and safe homes. We owe this country so much. In our own little ways; whether it is a random act of kindness or a post that fills another`s heart with love (and many do, I tell you) we have to help build again this sad land of ours.

Ali1,fairdinkum,Tahmad,ahmadb:

How about a smile?

Hakim Ahmad Shujaa wrote:

In the good old days post-partition,when there was such a camaraderie among muslims and we enjoyed our ethnic pecularities,this pleasantry was over-heard.

A mohajir from Lucknow or so came to the halvaii shop to buy some yogurt.Now the Lahore halvaii being a Punjabi was not accustomed to dispense yogurt in a glass,which this customer had extended towards the halvaii.In Punjab Yogurt is put in a pot or katora and milk in a glass or bowl.

Perplexed,and to make sure,that that is really what the customer wanted,he enquired in his urdu-ised Punjabi:

``Tho fayr mian jee daee issi vichh paa doonn``

And mian jee,the language afficiondo,sardonicaly muttered:

``Haan mian,ubb jubb humm yahaan aaa hee gayey hain,tho humein puthaa hai tumm issi mein PAADOGAY!``

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wassalaam

tahmed321 # 119

[``ali1 #115 Nationalization of banks was done by Bhutto. Bhutto was a Sindhi, and the one whose daughter along with his talented nephew, is now using condemnation of Panjabis as her smelly strategy to build up a power-base in Pakistan.``]

Punjabis love it when Sindhis and Mohajirs fight it out, in the streets or on the web. Sorry to disappoint you (old) man, we have (hopefully) learnt our lessons.

BTW, Nawaz Sharif de-nationalized MCB and ``gifted`` it to Mian Mohammed Mansha th

ru a rigged process.

[``Dont the poor people of Pakistan have enough problems that you try to stir up ethnic hatreds as well by distorting facts and presenting a one-sided picture?``]

In reply to your fiery rhetoric all I can say is this: ``buzurgo, batti-see sambhalo tey holay gal karo; matay dhay pai te navi banouni paysi``

Please point out and correct the facts that I have distorted, or be (old) man enough and apologize for your dumb accusation.

sincerely