Ghazali On Women In Islam

AH2000 #175 ``Nothing irks me more than `neo-liberal` talk about `all religions being equally good`` and all.``

Why does this irk you? You should reserve your irk for more serious things, otherwise you may get a heart attack and what good would that do to you?

Your point about many muslims being unduly defensive on anything with the adjective ``Islam``, even if it is a mere individual like Ghazalli who has no mention in Islamic theology (!). What we ought to get mad about are when Islam - the system of values related to learning, fairness, kindness and charity and so forth - are attacked. And only when by getting mad we are going to accomplish something.

Dear Author,

Unfortunately, you have not tried to go back to the source of islam, Quran, before writing this article about the golden age of Islam. I think the best thing (and this can be interpreted to the contrary as well) about Islam is that it does not insert any intermediates between the individual and God. Therefore, we are not bound, and should`nt be bound, to what any scholar says. Rather, since we have been given the freedom to reason and learn, take all information we receive with a degree of skeptiscm and then refer to the authenic sources (Quran, Some Hadith) before making our decision. The Quran says the following about women:

4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.

Just read through the verse again, and pick up on the main instructions. Equality and kindness are stressed. Look throughout the Quran and you`ll find references to ``those to do good.`` The moral and ethical code is repeatedly emphasized in Islam, which many people forget.

Another verse that I want to quote is:

``By (the token of) time, Verily man is in loss, except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, Patience, and Constancy.`` 103:1-3

I want to appeal to all to go back to the source of Islam before making accusations and sweeping statements. Reject controversial statements (even if they come from such scholars as Ghazali) if they are not in conformity with Quran. Love all and Respect all, which is the fundamental teaching of Islam.

This is to inform you all of the sad (well, for some, anyway) news of the passing of one `jay` from his earthly abode. Cause of death (sorry, t, was NOT swallowed by a rooster!) : Dehydration. (Those close to him suspect it might have had something to do with reply #179-- that he drooled himself to death at his computer)

Interview with Daniel Pipes on rediff :

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/dec/04inter.htm

Q. In your recent presentation you drew a distinction between Islamist and Islamic. Could you elaborate on that?

A. By Islamic, I would mean anything connected to Islam. Islamist, I would mean anything connected to Islamism. Islamism, I believe, is the modern 20th century transformation of Islam into an ideology, a radical utopian ideology in the same traditions of fascism and Marxism. It is completely different from Islam. And its first enemies and first victims are Muslims.

. I am afraid the above articles suffers from gross generalizations which are unfair to both those who have a traditional understanding of the Quran and those who are `non practicing muslims`

Ninah (#173),

In your quest to reconcile what you FEEL is moral with the sacred and revered texts, you say you have begun to doubt the authenicity of the hadiths. Be warned, this is only he beginning of a painful journey of questioning.

Re-read #139 to see what I mean.

Is it any wonder that kufr is discouraged with the harshest of all punishments!!

regards,

Urstruly,

Who`s the better bigot, you or I? I think I was riding high for a while, then went dormant and you took over. What a sneaky fellow you are

Ninah #176

Dear Ninah,

I apologize for the inordinately aggressive tone in my last post addressed to you.

Thank you for since clarifying matters w.r.t your the unpalatable hadiths and edicts. If they bring you peace, I am happy for you.

regards,

Urstruly #178

``The last line of your post caught my attention. You are my kind of a guy. I respect honesty.``

LOL! That would be gal, thankyouverymuch.

Anyways, one `bigot` to another... you`d better believe I meant what I said in that last line :-)

As children we used to play an interesting game. Everyone sat in a circle and after one person had written a short sentence as proof, s/he whispered it to one of the players who whispered it to the next and s/he to the next until everyone had heard and passed on the whisper. The last person spoke it out loud.

The fun of the game was in finding the sentence to be something totally different from the original.

Somehow, reports of the hadith remind me of that gave we played as children.

*yawn *

same old same old...........desi corrosive negativity

thank God for my ``gora`` friends who respect my beliefs and don`t force religious negativity down my throat every day, like some Chowk interactors do.

Here is a bit of Islamic Culture :

Jihad culture spreading world over, says Lashkar chief

KARACHI: Lashkar-e-Taiba chief, Prof Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has said that Jihad culture is spreading throughout the world and Muslims of India are also actively participating in the holy war.

He was speaking at a seminar on `Ramazan and Jihad Fi Sabilillah` organized by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant wing of Markazud Dawa Wal Irshad, at a local hotel. ``A revolutionary change is observed in the attitude of Ummah towards Jihad and now the Muslims of all parts of the world are inclining towards this one of the primary obligations, prescribed by Islam,`` he added.

Earlier, another leader Hafiz Abdul Rauf while highlighting the services of Markazud Dawa Wal Irshad, said there was a general impression that the Markaz was confined to carrying out holy war only but it was also doing the propagation of Islamic teachings and playing its role for the purification of the society.

The Markaz was running 137 schools throughout the country at which 19,740 children were being taught Qur`aanic as well as other sciences, he said adding that a periodical `Mujallatul Dawa` was also being published for the promotion of Islam. Abdul Rauf said, ``There are 32 launching points of Lashkar-e-Taiba at Pakistan-India border from Sialkot to Siachin from where Mujahideen barge into Indian territories.``



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Taliban Pakistan :

Action against `Taleban` demanded
KOHAT: Tribesmen belonging to Orakzai Agency have demanded action against a local group of `Taleban` who have established their own rule in the area.

They also expressed anguish over the expulsion of 50 families by the `Taleban` group from the area and demanded their immediate resettlement, people coming from the mountains said.

The disgruntled tribesmen have threatened to stop paying all taxes and electricity and phone bills if the political administration failed to vacate the area from `Taleban.` Gradually the group had become so influential in the area that it is now almost out of the reach of the political administration.

AH 2000 # 175

The last line of your post caught my attention. You are my kind of a guy. I respect honesty.

F_K # 177

Thanks for your guidance.

Zahra

Na Na Na NA Na Na

Zahra,Urstruly:170 & 171

Here it is //Aah kurna .

Aaa bhurna is //sigh a reflexive & involuntary act.

Aah kurna is //cry in anguish,pain ,mostly as a result of the extrovert acts of the tormentor.Now because it is expilictly expressed,hence,the fear of adverse publicity//ho jaatey hain budnaam .

I hope it helped.

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WASSALAAM

Omarphoenix (#165)

This is interesting. You (not personally) fire back all you can, and when you run out of ammo, you claim that the war is unfair.

Do you honestly believe that x number of years in falana madrassa is going to make it any easier to reconcile the distasteful quotes presented here with present-day norms of decency --without the benifit of a lobotomy and/or brainwash? Do you honestly believe that the problem you see here is one of not having enough inforamtion?

If you do, I`d like to recommend The Emperor`s New Clothes as essential reading.

The biggest tragedy in all this for Muslims, I think, is that in expending so much energy trying to `defend the indefensible`-- both internally and externally, they would be able to appreciate what IS good in the religion that much less.

Solitude would have nothing to throw at you guys if you didn`t believe you had to defend EVERYTHING as gospel truth--`Perfect Man`, `Eternal Truth` and so on...)

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Could anyone tell me if there are any Muslim fiqhs/ sects , Shia or Sunni, that DON`T espouse those beliefs?

Urstruly (#170)

``Why is it a crime to question the character and integrity of author and a couple of other Chamchas and to call a theif a theif? While he insults 1 billion people and it is called a scholarly inquisition?...``

Oh, it`s no CRIME at all. Accuse all you want to my dear sir, but don`t pretend to believe that the pliagiarism in any way weakens his arguments. In any case, it`s a little doubtful whether reproducing a string of quotes, complete with references that, that have been around for a thousand years can count as plagiarism.

``...While he insults 1 billion people and it is called a scholarly inquisition?``

If quoting from sacred scriptures is insulting to a people, you have to wonder where the problem lies, wouldn`t you say? Incidentally, I don`t recall Shiraz ever claiming either to be a scolar or to be conducting a ``scholarly inquisition``. But I can understand why you, sir, might call it so. His prolificness IS impressive, even for a cut-and-paste artist :-)

And I really had no idea one billion people visited the chowk, all of them forced to read these interacts with guns to their heads!!

``Dont you people have a shred of decency and shame left in you?``

err.. which `people` are you referring to? If you mean the `ex-commie liberals`, I`m neither an ex-commie (who needs THEM with the leftist government we have in Canada :-) ) nor a liberal. Nothing irks me more than `neo-liberal` talk about `all religions being equally good`` and all. Pshaw!!!