Ghazali On Women In Islam

Solitude #343 you quote from Bukhari as if he is at equivalent to the Quran. Bukhari appears to have believed that too. Another commonality is the use of foul language. And I have a feeling the similarities dont end there. Incredible, you might think, but true.

Omar #334 ``Back in the 1960s when society in Pakistan, under Gen. Ayub Khan was yet carefree, and bereft of the intimidation of armed and bearded fanatics on the streets``

It was around that time, in Kohat, our teacher decided it was a nice sunny day, so the class could leave the cold classroom and she would teach in the sunny lawn of the school. As we were being taught, we heard loud scolds from nowhere: ``Khochaay Sharam karo! chadar orho, ser dhakao``. It was a fellow going by the school on a bicycle. Our teacher, a nice young lady, was wearing a sleeveless dress, was barely visible from the street through the hedge, but this eagle-eyed soldier of God spotted her nevertheless.

Moral: The culture is quite conservative among many people in Pakistan, particularly in the frontier, and things only seem worse today than was the case. This too will pass (with education, with increasing influence of the outside world)...

Re: Solitude

`` ``Allah curses those ladies who remove the hair from their faces ``- Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 408.``

Yuck, that`s nasty. As it is I have a complex about desi women who can grow facial hair faster than I can.

ATTENTION A.SHIRAZ,

PLEASE POST THE CORRECT CITATIONS FOR THE SOURCES

you used for this compilation, along with the correct page numbers, publishers, year and place of publication. I forwarded this article to some people. They just said in response that its all a lie spread to malign Islam and that Ghazali never said all this, only book unchanged is the Quran Sharif. You should have put all the citations at the end of the piece for each quote, having anticipated this reaction.

BTW, I highly reccomend the book TALIBAN by Ahmed Rashid (Journalist for The Telegraph & Far Eastern Economic Review) to everyone, well worth reading. All about the impact on Pakistan in the past 21 years, since its involvement with Afghanistan, & the Taliban. Available at www.desistore.com. The book does describe the actual implementation of the Islamic society as per Ghazali.

Solitude #343, ````Allah curses those ladies who remove the hair from their faces ``-Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 408.``

Only a fanatic obsessed with ancient gibberish would post this. Who gives a damn about what Sahih Bukhari says? Who is he anyway, and what do his words have to do with modern day society?

Shiraz, I didn`t grow up in a closed/strict environment as you did (you`ve said so yourself), so I never had to rely on gibberish to build my beliefs or hatreds. Religion was offered to me, not forced down my throat. I am lucky in that sense.

All I can feel for you and other confused Pakistani twenty somethings is pity.

sb #336,

``Please dont rant on and on about smoking and drinking being Caucasian and call people who enjoy a drink or two names!``

Ummm, last time I checked, social drinking, merlots, and Chardonnays weren`t normal Desi cultural aspects. How many times do I have to repeat that? Maybe things have changed now, but it`s due to Western influence.

by the way, name calling has become a normal occurence here. I`ve been called many names too, but I dont` complain, I just get back to them with names. Dont` get defensive plz. :)

``Like Saxena asked (i think), shall we stop using the light bulb because it is a western invention?``

I wouldn`t give Suxena so much credit. There are good Western inventions and bad ones. Comparing the light bulbs with Jack Daniels is idiotic.

Fuzair #337,

Wake up and smell the coffee mister! The last time I checked Chowk was for expressing your opinions and views. Do you want me to shut up just because some people on this board like drinking?

And where did you get this wild idea about my wanting to ban alcohol? I can only make people wary of it`s effects, nothing more. Yes, if I had a choice, I would ban it. But that`s not going to happen. Doesn`t mean I`m going to sit here and listen to merlot stories and not say anything about my beliefs.

What`s the point of even arguing if one doesn`t have personal opinions and beliefs?

Re: #337

You are wasting your time explaining those points to scout. Several others have tried before and given up; it`s no use. She inherently does not understand the concept of freedom of choice and the accompanying complexities. It takes a level of maturity she seems to lack. Nothing wrong with that, many of us are immature in different ways. But it doesn`t make her asinine comments any less annoying.

According to her thinking, if fatty foods give people heart attacks (many of whom are relying on public funds for part or all of their healthcare), then we should ban fatty foods.

Re: Fuzair

``Its hard to make a joke with people who have no sense of humor. Hamidm`s irony entirely escapes the wanna-be mullahs we have running around Chowk``

It`s not just the wannabe Mullahs, it`s the shankars too. Oh but wait, the two aren`t necessarily different.

Regarding EST Reply #: 343

Did I mention drinking strong alcohol causes hair to grow on your chest ? Is that the reason behind all the sanctomonious Islamic attitude? ``oh I have been scarred by 110 proof vodka ! now I am big foot and yogi bear in one !`` I suggest moving to Afghanistan - the Taliban are used to doing nikah with bearded men anyways- and they firmly believe in all the things you say (then they go to their poppy fields and prepare heroine for the entire world). Heroine won`t spring hair on your chest - who knows being high on heroine might even make you a heroine even in the eyes of the Taliban.

P.S. BTW I apologize for grabbing your arse that night, I was just drunk and being poetic.

And for a certain ``lady`` on this board (no offense intended to all the real ladies of the world) :

``Allah curses those ladies who remove the hair from their faces ``- Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 408.

So when are you going to show us your moustache?

``If any of your women are guilty of an indecency, ... confine them to houses until death claims them `` - 004.015 (Holy Quran)

SUKKUR, Dec 12: Three persons, including two women, were killed and two were injured in Garhi Yaseen, Daur and in Sukkur Tuesday on the pretext of ``indecency``.

Another woman had been gunned down in Dhakhri, on Monday, on a similar charge.

Khalida, 16, was killed and two persons were injured when armed persons opened fire on them in the Long Khan Gorchani village, near Daur, in the Nawabshah district, early Tuesday morning.

She was the daughter of a retired bank manager, Manzoor Ali Gorchani. Her uncle, Dr Mashooq Ali and other relatives, including Ehsan Ali, Mehboob Ali, Aijaz Ali and Imam Ali, came to their house armed with weapons. They opened fire on the girl, killing her on the spot. She was accused of having illicit relations with Momin Gorchani.

Later, they went Momin`s house but he was not present there. The enraged attackers opened fire and wounded Momin`s father, Abdul Rehman and another relative, Mukhtar Ali Gorchani. They were taken to hospital in a serious condition.

Earlier, Momin had told father, under oath, that the accusation was false. Although his father believed him, his uncles refused to accept his statement.

The girl`s father, Manzoor Ali Gorchani, got an FIR registered against his brothers, whom he held responsible for the killing. He stated in the FIR that the main reason behind the killing was a property dispute among the brothers.

Meanwhile, in Ghari Yaseen, a young boy, Ayo Shar was gunned down by two persons on the pretext of ``indeceny``.

Shar was standing at the Garhi Yaseen bus stop, unidentified armed persons appeared on the scene, opened fire on him, killing him on the spot. His friend, Abdul Rehman, had a narrow escape.

Later, two suspects -Luqman and Gulbahar Shar- were arrested.

In another incident, Mumtaz shot dead his 20-year-old wife, Shahzadi Begum, in the Sukkur district, after declaring her a `lewd`.

He then escaped. The police are conducting raids to arrest him.

Qabil Samijo strangulated his wife, Manher Khatoon, on the pretext of lewdness and indecency in the Gulab Shah Colony, Daharki, on Monday. Samijo escaped after the killing. A case has been lodged with the police.

Scout

Sometimes I am amazed by your perseverance and persistence on tormenting the mockig bird(s) till they are dead.

Re: scooty

``HEY now, how did you know I was severely myopic (no joke). I`m practically blind without my contacts.``

I knew it...btw, do you wear soda-bottle glasses when you don`t have contacts on?

``You spelled pseudo wrong,``

Thanks for being my spell-checker. Now go get me a glass of wine.

Re: shankar shrink

``OK, dick-for-brains...``

God help your patients and you.

Is self-flagellation a way for you to relieve yourself?

sb

{{Shankar, what does it take for a shrink to see the irony in hamidm`s posts?}}

Irony shmirony. I`m desparately trying to keep hamid in heaven. This guy`s screwing up all my party plans in hell. Its amazing what these guys do to gatecrash a party--just because they found out the drinks are for free.