The Islamist and Hindutva Politics: Identities of Outlook and Objectives

In response to Ali1 (Reply # 302)
Dear Ali:

Your statement: ``Once in a while, people like Harimau come along and provide us (me) with some high quality entertainment..... I assure you I do not believe in most of what I write in these exchanges but hey, this is the internet!``

My reply: I am glad to know that you are not what we sense from your writings. But, do you ever realize what a person`s irresponsible rhetoric could do to others? There is a whole field of communication science full of insights, if you care to look into.

Please do not unnecessarily create monsters if and when there are none.

Sincerely, Bilal Ahmad

P.S. Please think, why Harimau did not reply my post (while he had plenty of time to write what he unfortunately did)?

ali1,

I knew it... Thank you very much for your response...ok, tell us more about that nooha of Jigar Muradabadi... do you know the history behind it? Dig it up for me mate...

I have heard it in karachi, but i don`t know if jigar muradabadi wrote it or not and i don`t think i got the wording right either... do you have the whole nooha in urdu? if so please write it on this forum... your help will be greatly appreciated...

Thanks.

krashid #297 ``We lost those wars intentionally.

Including 1948, 1965 and 1999.``

Yup. The aim of the general`s was never to take over India, just to take over Pakistan. (Actually, I think we did alright in 1965 - or maybe I am biased since some dear relatives led a few good charges including in Chhamb...)

Ref ali1 #: 292

[Dear pseudo-secularists:

Harimau represents the angry, frustrated and ready-to-take-his-fate-in-his-own-hands Hindu majority of India. Enough with your shrill shenanigans. He is the real face of Hindu India. Stop trying to shout him down.]

It is because of the pseudo-secularism that Muslim women are able to venture out of their houses in India. Otherwise they would be getting raped and the rapists would demand to have four Muslim male witnesses to the act of penetration.

You need to get on your hands and knees and thank Allah for small mercies. For your neighbors treat your women better than you do. Thank Allah that Islamic rapists are now confined to Pakistan, Afghanistam, and all other -stans only.

Ref cheraym #: 294

[A heart felt thank to Fairdinkum for #288. See the offenders like Ali1 or Harimu do not accomplish anything by hurling garbage to people, it only shows the decadence of their thinking pattern.]

Hey, everybody! Looksee who is heeere! The ever-so-reasonable Bangladeshi (I suppose you carry an Indian passport now) thrown out of her country by Islamic thugs and who is now preaching moderation.

Allright, lady, tell me one thing I wrote that is garbage.

People don`t like historical facts. They don`t like logical deductions. Why? Because it means that the rapists and murderers cannot get away with their crimes for ever? As they say, if you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.

Re: krashid

Have you fought any wars with your tail?

Ref tahmed321 #: 285

[Harpreet #281 ``Ali1 and Harimau are two sides of the same coin.... look how serenely and with such empathy Ali1 talks to him.....``

I am enjoying this duel already. Maybe you and I can start selling tickets to this show.]

Yes. I noticed that you, realizing the inadequacies of your arguments, got out of the ring.

Ref krashid #: 296

[If you find time from your useless posts, you will find that Aisha`s hand was given by her father none other than Abu-Bakr willingly. And there is no evidence so far that there was any objection because of her age. It was a normal cultural thing.]

So? Follow the Prophet and give your 9-year-old daughter in marriage to some 56-year-old man. Aren`t you supposed to follow the Prophet`s exemplary life?

[As you are ranting regarding invasions by Muslims and its revenge. Why don`t you take revenge against your Hindu ancesstors who sided with Muslims against their own brothers.(And we start taking revenge on Muslims who killed their Muslim brothers along with Hindu)]

Because my Hindu ancestors did not kill multitudes of people for believing in a different religion.

[Do you believe that earth is supported on the horns of cow]

Do you believe that Prophet Muhammed bodily ascended to heaven? In recorded history, has anyone died without leaving a body behind?

Ref ali1 #: 291

[The short answer to your question is sharaab, shabaab and kebaab, all 3 of which are in short supply in India (and Pakistan). Result is that you end up with people like Harimau who worry more about what happened in the 15th century than what can happen to their kids next year.]

Ha ha ha! That is a good one. Since the Land of the Pure is overflowing with milk, honey, houris, ghilmans, roti, kapda, makan and all those good things essential for good living, you have been worrying about Kashmir for the last 53 years. Not to think of Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Palestine.

You think people have the attention span of a 6-month-old to fall for your all-too-sudden reasonableness?

Ref Dionysus #: 290

[``My ancestors had a code of conduct ruled by the caste system. Rape by any person meant automatic exclusion from the caste. So I have no doubts regarding MY ancestry.``

What a load of bullsh *t! You`re either a liar or high on Hindutva hashish like Vijay Amrit. In India high-caste men rape low-caste women as a matter of routine. It`s an everyday occurance. The low-caste men just accept as a fact of life that their wives and daughters will regularily be sexually molested by high-caste men.]

Any rape of lower-castes is done by a caste just one level above that. Which means that it is a fight between the Shudras and the Untouchables. In case you don`t remember history, when Chitorgarh was taken, all the women (estimated to be more than 10,000) perished rather than be taken as sex slaves by Islamic thugs.

Perhaps it is their way of saying that contamination by a Muslim is worse than contamination by a Hindu. So that tells you exactly where you stand in the hierarchy in the animal kingdom.

Dionysus, wasn`t that the old man who went searching for the truth? You on the other hand seem to be searching for straws to support your pathetic theories.

Dionysus, Say with pride, `I am a Pakistani, a product of the fevered brain of that tuberculous Jinnah`. Say with pride, `I am a product of the rape of innocent women by Islamic invaders`. Say with pride, `I grow and sell opium to the world`. Say with pride, `I am a Sunni and I kill Shias and Qadianis`. Those are the truths that you need to contemplate.

Ref MaheshG #: 279

[I am not talking about affirmative action (it is required and is NOT an injustice against upper castes).]

Then why is that affirmative action in India is in FAVOR of Muslims as opposed to against them? If upper-caste Hindus were the oppressors of the dalits, weren`t the Muslims the oppressors of all Hindus? When upper-caste Hindus pay the price, why can`t you ask why, by the same token, Muslims shouldn`t pay the price too? Or is that too difficult an extension of logic for your brain to comprehend?

[I am talking about the dalits destroying temples because they were not allowed to enter them for a millenium.]

Ask the dalits. They have far more respect for their Hindu gods than you seem to do and wouldn`t hear of destroying any temples.

PS to Chowkwallahs: Do I have to dare you each time to post my response? You lost this as well as the response to Bilal Ahmad and a few others.

Ref krashid #: 243

About the killing of the Hindu pilgrims by Islamic thugs, you had this to say:

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If you try to capture the land of a people by force, do you like them to give you floral wreath for this.

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Let us get one thing straight.

Just like the invaders captured India, we the Indians have captured Kashmir. A Hindu king ruled over the land and we now possess it. If you have any complaints about the treatment of Muslim Kashmiris, just remember that they are being treated far more leniently thany any captive population has any right to expect. Didn`t your own prophet kill off an entire tribe for the revolt of a few? (Hey, Islamic scholars, come to my help and quote the hadith. I have no wish to go search the web.)

As for the Kashmiri Muslim women compalining of rape: can they produce four Muslim male witnesses to the act of penetration? See, we have Islamic jurisprudence on our side.

Do you mean to tell me Islamic medicine tastes bad when administered by a Hindu vaidya but tastes great at the hands of an Islamic hakim?

fairdinkum:

Thanks for your input.

I come to chowk.com for entertainment although at one point I thought of it as an excellent medium for exchange of ideas specially with folks from across the border.

Once in a while, people like Harimau come along and provide us (me) with some high quality entertainment..... I assure you I do not believe in most of what I write in these exchanges but hey, this is the internet!

I think ``Shah-e-Medina jo Hind aye hote`` is by Jigar Muradabadi though I am not sure.

Best Regards

I kept wodering about this guy Harimau, trying to figure where he`s comin from. I finally got it - the only explanation short of him being an ISI infiltrator.

He`s sadly lapsed into clinical insanity.

Off his trolley, lost his marbles.

Thats OK, folks, these things happen. What we need to worry about is, how many more are roaming out there in mera bharat mahaan? Is this an isolated case, or do we have a full-blown epidemic?

I think I read this guy has CHILDREN (!) Its the most heart-breaking thing I`ve learnt all of today. Are people like him for real??

ALI 278

“It must be devastating to ask yourself: Why couldn`t you stop a few thousand Afghans or Brits from ruling over your sorry arses? Are you eunuchs? Is it bad genes or a protein deficient diet?”

“Nothing can be worse than not being sure about your ancestry. What did the barbaric Afghans do to your grandmother? Where did your brown eyes come from, was it a turk or a mongol? green eyes? the rapist must be a Brit or a Portuguese then!”

Well said, Mr. Ali. You are deevastatingly right. Since ignorance is generally bliss, you have every right to enjoy it. But after enjoying this bliss, do look around and do some demographic, genetic analysis. All those weaklings who could not sustain and survive under the pressure of these invaders YOU ARE SO PROUD OF, converted long long ago. Those who have survived with their tolerant, all encompassing philosophy are there because they had the stamina to bear and sustain.

Have a long life!

fairdinkum#288,

wow! what an amazing and interesting post......

i never knew anything about what you said, it was utterly dis-arming

whatever else people say, I learn something from Chowk every day.

thanks fairdinkum

regards

Harpreet