The Islamist and Hindutva Politics: Identities of Outlook and Objectives

``Hindu apologist``?? hmm. Let me make it clear to you, I am not a Hindu and don`t call me one again. Hindustani? yes! but not a Hindu. You are not a sole proprietor of Hindustan just because you were born to a Brahim. Stop dreaming!

Ref Brat #: 337

[Psst...if you ever *really * want people to start listening to what you say...take out the accusations]

Accusations? I am quoting history. As I keep saying, it IS very uncomfortable for Muslims to read the true history of the conquest of India. In fact, I submitted three excerpts this morning and Chowk editors have so far decided not to post the last.

Actually, this is the time to send in any crap as an article to Chowk; it will get accepted and published immediately because that will push this board to the archives.

I just ordered a copy of the 8-volume set, ``The History of India as Told by Its Own Historians``. This book is quoted extensively by John Keay and contains more information than John Keay could provide in his book that covers 5,000 years of history. I intend to frequent Chowk and ensure that history as written by Muslim historians and eyewitnesses are made available to those who want to learn the truth. I also want to ensure that all namby-pamby Hindus who are ashamed to be Hindus because they have been taught that THEY have been the bad boys of the subcontinent are for once forced to confront the truth as also the Islamic thugs.

[...and rethink what is it that you`re really trying to say? That India is an all-inclusive secular state...as long as you claim to be related to Hinduism in some obscure manner...and as long as you don`t challenge the fact that Brahmins are this and not that?]

You mean to tell me I can`t ridicule an idiot just because he is a Backward Class? I didn`t ridicule him for BEING a Backward Class, I ridiculed his arguments of anti-buffalo and pro-cow discrimination in India. Give me a break!

[WHO ARE BRAHMINS?]

The brahmins are those who kept Hinduism alive through the terrible oppression by Muslim invaders. You can take pride in that.

[WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A BRAHMIN IN THIS DAY AND AGE?]

It means that you will be discarded in today`s politically correct belief system (BS) in India that says Hindus are bad and brahmins are the baddest of the bad. You can accept society`s judgment and still strive for truth, justice and the Hindu way of life.

[What does it mean to be a HINDU?]

I don`t have a clue; I am just born a Hindu. And for that reason my forefathers have paid a terrible price the likes of which the world hasn`t seen since.

[does it depend on taking revenge from the Muslims for all that they have done to us first and foremost?]

Why don`t you ask the Muslims -- who seem to be whining that they didn`t get to rule India -- what might be the Islamic punishment if the situation were reversed?

[CLARIFY exactly what would make a lowly (but BRAHMIN) HINDU APOLOGIST like me to rise to your nationalistically admiring ranks??]

Stop apologizing. The Islamic thugs are the ones who have to apologize, atone, and make reparations.

But I don`t think you were serious in asking the last question. That is okay. Indians have been brainwashed in their history classes to accept the glories of Islamic rule. One has to go to the source such as Muslim historians who were contemporaneous with the events to know what truly happened.

Also, learning Java and becoming a coder tends to inhibit critical thinking.

Mr. Dionysis

Your comments are getting increasingly ridiculous day by day. Like the one below.

``. I stand by my claim that high-caste Hindus in North India rape low-caste Hindus as a matter of habit and routine. The point is, that Harimanu wants Hindus to take revenge for a few hundred years of alleged persecution. ``

Please cite some evidence that ``high-caste Hindus in North India rape low-caste Hindus as a matter of habit and routine``. Note the words ``habit`` and ``routine``.

You say:

``Just wait till the Dalits, with Pakistani help and assistance, take revenge for 5000 years of real (not imaginary) and savage persecution at the hands of high-caste.``

So Pakistan has become so powerful now. BTW, come to India, conduct a random suevey in any part of Northern India, and if you find even 10% of Dalits who say they will accept Paki help to get freedom from the ``oppression`` of high caste, I will eat humble pie and loose the bet. Wanna take up the challenge. Dalits have got more rights and privileges with all the reservation in Govt jobs, lower cut off for any competitive exams, than any high castes. Did you Pakis reserve even 10% of jobs for disadvantaged groups like Ahmadiyas/Shias or for backward classes in your society?( Note I am not intentionally mentioning Hindus/Christians).

PS You have closed you mind to reality and reason. BTW, have you ever come to India and saw the actual situation in North India. I dont even expect you to do some info check before you go out with your idiotic comments. In the words of RSaxena, `` go and have your wet dreams``. You have been brought up on illusions and false information.

Ref sadna #: 338

[Over many posts, you have made arguments in favor of demolition of some religious places]

Have I, really? Why don`t you read my posts again, this time without any preconceived notions about me being an ISI agent or a Hindutva fanatic.

[you cite inequalities in Islamic belief while speaking of `higher caste vs Dalits`, you speak of `much-maligned` communities, while maligning other communities.]

Excuse me, this pathetic excuse of a human being was essentially saying, ``Love me, love my buffalo``. The guy was talking about pro-cow and anti-buffalo bias in India on the basis that cows are white and buffaloes are black. You want me to take this clown seriously? It was obvious he was not being satirical but quite serious. No, he doesn`t HAVE to worship the cow, he can bloody well worship his buffalo. I have no problem with that. What does he want next -- affirmative action for buffaloes in preferential admission to colleges? HE got into college and has a teaching job; that proves there IS affirmative action for buffaloes in India. Sheesh, you guys have are so namby-pamby you just jump when somebody comes whining. I keep saying: stop apologizing for being a Hindu!

[Whats the point, finally?]

Do I have to spell out EVERYTHING?

#331

No matter how bad the word Budhoo is in your mind it is no way as despicable as the word Mannu amongst 75% of the Indian population.

Bhagat Kabir said`` jau tu brahmin, brahmani jayea. tau Kaahe aan baaT nahi ayea?``

Translation: Hey brahmin you are born to a brahmani(woman),if you are so different and high than us, why did not you come some other way?

and Shudras love Hinduism?

hahahaha that got to be the joke of the millenium.

harimau #334
Over many posts, you have made arguments in favor of demolition of some religious places while also citing destruction of Somnath as barbarism, you cite inequalities in Islamic belief while speaking of `higher caste vs Dalits`, you speak of `much-maligned` communities, while maligning other communities.

Must you adopt the same characteristics which you loathe among those you loathe? Why be defined by those you hate? Whats the point, finally?

Sadhana

Harimau

Psst...if you ever *really * want people to start listening to what you say...take out the accusations...and rethink what is it that you`re really trying to say? That India is an all-inclusive secular state...as long as you claim to be related to Hinduism in some obscure manner...and as long as you don`t challenge the fact that Brahmins are this and not that? And those good-for-nothing scheduled castes are getting free seats in so many places...?? Try looking into the situation of Native Indians in US and more specifically Canada and compare the priviliges given to them here with the ``priviliges`` of Scheduled-Caste people in India. (ALSO compare the subjugation and treatment both received at the hands of stronger groups).

I will ask again, and if you get time from your busy life, please answer...I`m still waiting.

WHO ARE BRAHMINS? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A BRAHMIN IN THIS DAY AND AGE?

What does it mean to be a HINDU? (does it depend on taking revenge from the Muslims for all that they have done to us first and foremost?) CLARIFY exactly what would make a lowly (but BRAHMIN) HINDU APOLOGIST like me to rise to your nationalistically admiring ranks??

Please elaborate, this young apprentice has to decide between the dark side of the force and the good side...MAY The Force BE with you.

Brat

Harimau

Psst...if you ever *really * want people to start listening to what you say...take out the accusations...and rethink what is it that you`re really trying to say? That India is an all-inclusive secular state...as long as you claim to be related to Hinduism in some obscure manner...and as long as you don`t challenge the fact that Brahmins are this and not that? And those good-for-nothing scheduled castes are getting free seats in so many places...?? Try looking into the situation of Native Indians in US and more specifically Canada and compare the priviliges given to them here with the ``priviliges`` of Scheduled-Caste people in India. (ALSO compare the subjugation and treatment both received at the hands of stronger groups).

I will ask again, and if you get time from your busy life, please answer...I`m still waiting.

WHO ARE BRAHMINS? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A BRAHMIN IN THIS DAY AND AGE?

What does it mean to be a HINDU? (does it depend on taking revenge from the Muslims for all that they have done to us first and foremost?) CLARIFY exactly what would make a lowly (but BRAHMIN) HINDU APOLOGIST like me to rise to your nationalistically admiring ranks??

Please elaborate, this young apprentice has to decide between the dark side of the force and the good side...MAY The Force BE with you.

Brat

FINALLY, we`re coming close to the goal of everyone hating everyone who is not of the same religion, nationality, caste, sub-caste (sub-sub caste too eventually i hope), language?, accent, ancestors...I`m sure I`m missing all the important factors of distinction!!

What is it really going to take? An attack from Mars to change the focus?

And we`re all educated people here, with lots of time and hatred to burn.
Brat

FINALLY, we`re coming close to the goal of everyone hating everyone who is not of the same religion, nationality, caste, sub-caste (sub-sub caste too eventually i hope), language?, accent, ancestors...I`m sure I`m missing all the important factors of distinction!!

What is it really going to take? An attack from Mars to change the focus?

And we`re all educated people here, with lots of time and hatred to burn.
Brat

Harpreet #330

My comments are in response to Harimanu and within the context of my post #290. I stand by my claim that high-caste Hindus in North India rape low-caste Hindus as a matter of habit and routine. The point is, that Harimanu wants Hindus to take revenge for a few hundred years of alleged persecution. Just wait till the Dalits, with Pakistani help and assistance, take revenge for 5000 years of real (not imaginary) and savage persecution at the hands of high-caste Hindus.

I also stand by my remarks about high-caste Hindus collaborating with the foreign invaders.

Ref MaheshG #: 332

[Harimau, something for you to read]

Yeah, I read his crap. What is his point? If he wants, he can worship the buffalo, demand that the name Mysore be changed (Mysore, derived from Mahishasura, the demon who took the form of a buffalo and was destroyed by Durga). He can move to Buffalo, NY, for all I care. I don`t understand the inanities he has spouted and I can`t understand why you would want me to read his drivel.

Hinduism is all-encompassing and simply has accepted all inhabitants of India, unless they are explicitly Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Zorastrians or Jews, to be within its fold. There is no conversion ceremony where you lose sensitive body parts as part of the contract with the Almighty. (jeez, one would think that a notched ear might offer quicker recognition of membership in a religion, but I suppose they do things differently in Arabia: I will show you mine if you will show me yours kind of thing). He doesn`t have to call himself a Hindu; he can claim any religion for himself. He can even start his own religion, declare himself the last prophet (Khatm-e-Nabuwat I believe is the technical term for this), declare everybody else to be heretical, kill cows and eat beef, claim direct descent from the Africans since they are black-skinned, etc., etc. He can also turn in his Ph.D. and instead get a W. D. (witch doctor) degree from whatever university he wants. You are also equally welcome to disassociate yourself from Hinduism. After all, there is no death punishment for apostasy in Hinduism. But after that, I know this idiot will be showing up claiming to be disadvantaged and would want to feed at the trough where the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes are feeding today. Just like Muslims and Christians have demanded that they be treated as backward classes.

For all I care, if he loves buffaloes over cows, he can even have sex with his buffalo.

One would think that these people would use their education to do something for themselves, their communities and their country. No, the much-maligned brahmins have to be the ones who design your Bombs for you while these idiots run around claiming a conspiracy to rob them of what they didn`t have in the first place.

[Maybe you and he should get together.]

He seems more like your type; you know, the kind that doesn`t want to think for himself but look for excuses for your own inadequacies.

Ref krashid #: 328

[For that matter, I am buying a camel and selling my Totota.]

Having a Toyota Corolla is SO in character for a Pakistani.

You are buying a camel for TRANSPORTATION?

That is SO out of character.

(Yes, I do know that you guys own camels.)

Aside to tahmed321: Smile, if Chowk Editors let this through.

Harimau, something for you to read

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/17inter.htm

If tomorrow, Hinduism gets established in Europe, will anybody stop it? So

when Christianity and Islam are here, why are the Brahmins objecting?

Because they fear that the Sudras, Chandalas and Adivasis may get

empowered with the new English education that the Christians are giving to our

people. That is why they are attacking Christians these days.

Brahmins are basically Aryans who came from outside. They brought the cow

along with them. They were eating the flesh of cows. But they began

worshipping the cow as a sacred animal after Buddha took up a campaign

saying stop killing animals. Then they said the cow is a sacred animal and it is

in the Constitution.

Look at the reality. Eighty per cent of the milk in India comes from buffaloes.

Buffaloes are the native Indian animals, but they do not have any rights to be

protected in the Constitution. Because the buffalo is a Dravidian animal,

whereas the cow is an Aryan animal.

The buffalo is a black animal and we are black people. We low caste people

represent the rights of the buffaloes. Cows cannot be sacred and buffaloes

cannot be devilish and yet India can become modern. It is not just possible. All

Brahmins in India have been consumers in the history of India. They were never

the producers. So, this has to be debated.

Harimau, your clone in the lower castes. Seems like he has declared the upper castes as foreigners. He will soon declare that all upper castes should get out of India. He has already declared Hinduism as a barbaric cult. Maybe you and he should get together.

Ref JSandhu #: 323

[Mannu]

Buddhu.

Chowk editors. I noticed that in my response to JSandhu you posted, you left out the word `Buddhu`. If you are going to edit my posts for personal attacks, logic says you should edit JSandhu`s post and should have removed the word `Mannu`. But, I should know better than to argue with Islamic logic.

Dionysus#315,

``Man, this is so much fun! Hating Indians is the greatest thing about being a Pakistani...lol!``

At least you are honest.

Dont you think it is funny to see Harimau and his boyfriends from across the border like Ali1 and Dionysus swapping stories of miscegenation and rape? Man these guys love each other! Its like they get erections from degrading each other..... the frenzy in their posts, like some kind of masturbatorial fantasies they have... I mean look at their gleeful references to rape and paedophilia and stuff....

guys, wash your hands when you are finished btw....

wankers......