The Islamist and Hindutva Politics: Identities of Outlook and Objectives

Wednesday, January 3 7:10 PM SGT

Karachi Bourse Ranked Second Best in 14 Regional Markets: Study

KARACHI, Jan 3 Asia Pulse - After China, which recorded phenomenal 51.7 per cent growth in stock values during the year 2000, the Karachi stock market

ranked as second best among the 14 regional markets, calculations made by analysts at brokerage, Invest Capital & Securities (Pvt.) Limited, revealed.

With a year-on-year improvement of 7 per cent (99 points) in the KSE-100 index, the Karachi share market out-performed the rest of 13 stock markets in the

region, all of which lost values, ranging between least loss of 11 per cent in Hong Kong and the highest fall of 50.9 per cent in South Korea.

The Indian stock market dropped 20.7 per cent during the year; Indonesia by 38.5 per cent; Thailand by 44.2 per cent; Taiwan by 43.9 per cent; Japan by

27.2 per cent and Philippines by 30.3 per cent. In dollar terms, the Karachi stock market lost 4.3 per cent, which was the least loss among the 13 other

markets.

Only the Chinese stocks rose, posting about the same growth of nearly 52 per cent also in terms of the US currency.

Valued in dollars, South Korea recorded the sharpest fall of 55.7 per cent, followed by a 54.8 per cent fall in the Indonesian stocks.

Analysts said that the Improvement at the Karachi bourse was triggered by the year-end rally generated by retail investors. . (PPI)

The fact that you failed to read all other statements about Jinnah by Wolpert and have chosen that one statement about his descendants, who interestingly enough are not Pakistanis but lived in Bombay shows your closed mindset.

Jinnah was trying to buy some land in Simla in July 1947. He probably was going to retire in India had he lived . In Bombay Jinnah hall is still testament to his struggle on the behalf of Bombay citizens in 1915. Thankgod Jinnah died soon for had he retired in India, people like you would have used that against us too.

In any event, tell me Mr Gymnophist did you just read that one sentence in the book (which doesnot prove anything) and you forgot to read the rest of the book or what?

HV Hodson calls Jinnah ``the most honest man, a bastion of Idealism, a man who could not be bought, a man who was not accused of self seeking even by his opponents (even your Gods Gandhi and Nehru), and the most important man in India.`` I guess you just closed your eyes while reading.

I ask you who are you an insignificant little twit to decide whether he was right or wrong when your Gods could accuse him. Be a Good Hindu, and stick to your programming in the silicon valley, Politics and talk of humanity is beyond your petty intelligence. By the way what ever happened to the Indian threat to hack every Pakistani website. As far as I know, 40 different Indian sites have been hacked by Pakistanis. You people do something and you cant do it right.

Yasser Hamdani

Re: ylh and stock market of bankrupt country

A) If the base is 1, growth to 2 is 100% growth. That doesn`t make it any better than if 5 grows to 6 and the % growth is smaller. Perhaps that Ivy league school of your`s didn`t teach this little subtlety to you. No need to thank me...it`s my pleasure to share knowledge.

B) Even the Nasdaq suffered the worst year in history (or close to it). The other markets that fell with it, including the increasingly tech-heavy Bombay Sensex, are closely linked to the Nasdaq and the fortunes of the global tech industry. This corrolation is not necessarily a bad thing...if anything it is an indication that these markets are integrated into the global economy in a lucrative growth sector. If the Karachi Jehad Exchange moves in an opposite direction, I would be careful about barking it aournd.

You really are desperately looking for a shred of hope, aren`t you? Try again, fool.

A news item from Khaleej Times

Prominent Pakistani to join Bush team

From our correspondent

ISLAMABAD - A highly prominent Pakistani-American, Dr Shirin Tahirkheli, is being tipped to become the next US Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia.

If selected by President-elect George W. Bush, Dr Tahirkheli will become the first American of Pakistani origin to hold such an important position in the American administration.

A noted diplomat and academic who grew up in Pakistan, Shirin is daughter of famous scientist Dr Raziuddin Siddiqui.

Currently research professor and director of the Foreign Policy Institute at the John Hopkins University`s School of Advanced International Studies, Dr Tahirkheli served as the US ambassador to the United Nations for special political affairs during the Reagan administration. She was also director of Near East and South Asia and director of political-military affairs at the National Security Council for six years. She is a member of the State Department`s policy planning staff, a senior fellow of the Foreign Policy Research Institute and a fellow of the Centre of International Studies, Princeton University.

Comments: Intersting! If she is selected, Talibans and their backers are in even bigger trouble. She is also big supporter of easing Indo-Pak hostilities. I hope to see her playing important role in this regard. (My guess is that she personally knows Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy through her father who was a Physics Professor at Islamabad University?)

Is JI really that important? Why should several generals including Gen. Aziz meet JI chief? These generals have more meetings with Qazi Hussain Ahmad and Maulana Akram Awan and Maulana tahir Qadri than the PML, PPP, ANP or MQM leaders. Why not meet the leaders who are backed by majority population?

From Khaleej Times

JI wants agenda for meeting with Musharraf

From our correspondent

LAHORE - The Jamaat-i-Islami leadership will be willing to meet Chief Executive General Pervez Musharraf provided the agenda and participants in the meeting are announced first, JI Secretary-General Syed Munawwar Hasan says.

Talking to reporters here, he said a schedule for transfer of power, Kashmir policy, recommendations of the Council of Islamic Ideology, economy, accountability and the law and order situation could be a good agenda for talks between the two sides.

[He confirmed Press reports that JI Amir Qazi Husain Ahmad had met some generals, including the Lahore corps commander, saying there was nothing unusual about that meeting.] He regretted that the advice rendered in good faith was not reflected in the decisions of the government. He said meetings could be fruitful only if they were result-oriented.

fairdinkum #72:

``Saudi Arabia probably paid NS back for his cooperation in Kargil affair, but they didn’t worry about NS looting of poor Pakistanis did they?``

What is Saudi`s interest in Pakistan withdrawing from Kargil?

ylh #84:

``Jinnah was trying to buy some land in Simla in July 1947. He probably was going to retire in India had he lived . In Bombay Jinnah hall is still testament to his struggle on the behalf of Bombay citizens in 1915. Thankgod Jinnah died soon for had he retired in India, people like you would have used that against us too.``

Instead, I think it would have made Pakistanis more rational if Jinnah had retired in India (which I believe would have been unlikely) even after he created Pakistan.

ylh #84

Your post to gymno is

``You people do something and you cant do it right.``

My dear Yaseer, do you again need to be remined of official PIADS (what was that, Pakistan Institute of Advanced Defence Studies) site that pirated the contents from a civilian Czech site?

aashirwad ..

PS: Study hard and stop wasting time in arguments

To: Yawaah Latifay Hamdani

Following is an illustration of how skewed your sense of reality is:

YLH`s DICTIONARY:

Phrase: Pakistani

Meaning: A human being to be loved.

Phrase: Indian

Meaning: Nazi

Phrase: Aggressive Pakistani

Meaning: Patriot

Phrase: Accommodating & Sensible Pakistani

Meaning: Defeatist

Phrase: Aggressive Indian

Meaning: Nazi

Phrase: Accommodating & Sensible Indian

Meaning: Nazi

Phrase: Inconvenient truth

Meaning: Straw man Fallacy

Phrase: A person who agrees with YLH

Meaning: Objective & Unbiased

Phrase: A person who disagrees with YLH

Meaning: Unpatriotic Hindu Lover

Phrase: Rutgers

Meaning: Harvard

Phrase: Everybody who is older & smarter than YLH

Meaning: Idiot

Phrase: Everybody who is stupid enough to buy YLH`s drivel

Meaning: Objective, unbiased & Truly patriotic

Phrase: Bhutto

Meaning: Infallible immortal god

Phrase: Jinnah

Meaning: Regarded by objective & unbiased commentators & the greatest leader in human history

Phrase: Gandhi

Meaning: Half naked conniving scheming sex maniac Fakir singularly blamed for partition

Phrase: Imran Khan

Meaning: Adonis

Phrase: Imran Khan`s illegitimate child from a Nazi girlfriend

Meaning: Straw man Fallacy

Phrase: Any person hypothetically suggesting restructuring the Pakistani map

Meaning: Idiot

Phrase: Any person hypothetically suggesting restructuring the Indian map

Meaning: Objective, unbiased & insightful political commentator

Phrase: Islam

Meaning: A secular religion

Phrase: Hinduism

Meaning: Fascism

Phrase: Pakistani movement

Meaning: Glorious democratic movement to escape the tyranny of Nazis.

Phase: Any secessionist movement within Pakistan

Meaning: Misguided & RAW funded rebellion to be crushed immediately.

Phrase: PAF

Meaning: Best Air Force in Human history

Phrase: IAF

Meaning: A bunch of bullock carts.

Phrase: Indian Ideals

Meaning: Hipocracy & Bigotry

Phrase: Pakistani Ideals

Meaning: Democracy & Secularism

Phrase: Koran

Meaning: The only truth

Phrase: Rig Veda

Meaning: Nazzi

Phrase: Historical Islamic Conquests

Meaning: Just, loving halceon days where milk & honey flowed in the rivers.

Phrase: Historical Hindu Kingdoms

Meaning: Systemical oppresors of all humanity

Phrase: Scentences in Gora authors` book praising Jinnah

Meaning: I told you so!

Phrase: Scentences in Gora authors` book deriding Jinnah

Meaning: Huh...what? Which scentences?

Believe me, I could go on and on and on but its getting a little redundant now. The point is that it doesnt matter how sharp one is if one`s sense of reality is warped to the point of paranoid schizophrenia. Forget leading Pakistan, the way you`re shaping up I`d put good money on you becoming the next UNABOMBER.

Sudhar jaa saaley be`idraak be`izzat langoor khiN kay!

Latif Chappu,

I have cramps in my stomach. Thanks for providing me a good laugh. Have a nice day.

Friend,

Please its getting boring now... your Air Force sux so live with it. Love and best wishes

Yasser Hamdani

Well, let me say for the record on the question of skewness, to every man every other point of view will seem skewed untill every man learns to respect the other person`s right to exist and have opinions.

Yes you have accurately portrayed what I have said, but I also believe that History is not Good vs Evil but difference of opinion and conflict of national and group interests. I am an extreme reaction to what you people who have tried to paint an anti Pakistan picture of enormous proportions without even visiting it.

Yasser Hamdani

ylh #92

``Please its getting boring now... ``

My dear Yaseer, ever realised how boring your Jinnah monologue gets for everyone else!!

Anyway, your ``please`` kahan bahut accha laga.

Jeetey Raho

Friend,

So you just wanna bash the guy but not hear the other perspective. Isnt that indicative of your nation`s mentality.

I hope Chowk Staff take notice of your insolence because your posts are not relevant at all.

-Yasser Hamdani

To: Yawaah Latifay Hamdani

Oh that was funny to you? How clumsy of me! My intent was to ridicule you, not to entertain you. I wonder if it`s I who needs to brush up on my communication skills or whether you are one of those who take jokes as insults and vice versa? I strongly suspect the latter.

As my facetious post has seemingly whizzed past your walnut with nary a dent, I shall now try a more plebian persuasion. Here goes:

By pointing out that more Pakistanis have hacked Indian sites than vice-versa, what indeed are you suggesting? That Pakistan is better at Software technology than India? You would be laughed out of any sane discussion regarding this matter if you make such a claim!

By pointing out that the Pakistani Bourse grew at a faster rate than the Indian, what indeed are you suggesting? That Pakistan has a better economy than India? Again, you would be laughed out of any sane discussion regarding this matter for making an asinine claim like that!

Moral of the story. If you consistently make statements whose logical conclusions are laughably ridiculous, you come across as a few bricks short of a load. Are you?

Both India & Pakistan (or any country for that matter) have 10% morons, 10% geniuses & 80% average people. It`s not about who`s better but whose system can create a more conducive environment. As things stand now, the Indian system (An amazingly shitty one at that) is actually more conducive to IT boom & economic growth than Pakistan`s. So imagine how shitty the Pakistani system is!

Instead of shouting from rooftops outrageous sophomoric slogans like `Pakistani IT Kick`s Indian IT butt` or `Pakistani Economy Kicks Indian Economy butt`, and making a fool of yourself; you should work towards creating an environment in Pakistan where its talent may flourish. And the first step is for you and your kind to let go of your `I am better than you if not as good as you, failing which I`ll punish you` syndrome.

Nobody is racially, religiously, intellectually, morally superior to anybody. And to insinuate such concepts in this day and age is considered downright stupid!

Latif Chappu

P.S: Do you even listen to yourself when you say things like, `I react with extremism because Indians diss Pakistan without visiting it`? You sound like f_ckin four year old!

Latif #96

Your insightful post made me write this comment.You have excellently summarised how we are a prisoner of our own hypothetical world. Since being an Indian/Pakistani becomes a part of our own identity, we desparately try to bolster it by making ridiculous claims and justifying it by fallacious logic. Most of us, most of the times, are doing nothing but puffing our own ego/identity in the name of ``raising our country`s flag``. Good writing.

Sincerely

A gentle reminder that there are certain guidelines for InterActing on Chowk. Over the last few months we have allowed discussions to diverge and digress quite a lot. The hope was that over time we will regress to a ``steady state`` level and in the process discover and celebrate an indigenous Chowk culture/identity.

In the process we have succeeded in establishing the fact that Chowk can rise above most forms of prejudice and pettiness - but we still have a long way to go before we can proudly proclaim that Chowk has intrinsically become so strong and vibrant that troublemakers are instantly identified and made to feel unwelcome.


Gentle reader, writer, lurker, settler, squatter -please share your good self with Chowk and lets not insult each other.


sincerely
Chowk Staff