Eathquake Hits India And Pakistan

REPORT CARD: HINDUSTANI PERFORMANCE IN KASHMIR IN YEAR 2000

Following is the report card representing the performance of Hindu-stani Government in Kashmir for the year 2000. I take this moment to make an appeal to all the good people with good conscience in the world to voice against this genocide of Kashmiri people. I would also request all decent Hindus to act and stop the rabid actions of their government. It is just a matter of time when all of those who committed atrocities will be dragged in front of International Court of Justice. But before that they will have to answer to the Kashmiri people. Now that when practically each and every household has suffered at the hands of rabid Hindus, it is time that all of those with live conscience should wake up. The time to act is now:

Report Card for year 2000:

Kashmiris who gave their lives for their motherland
3401 (ave. 283/mo)

Deaths/Shahadats in Army/Police Custody
363 (30/mo)

Wounded
3844 (320/mo)

Arrested
3058 (254/mo)

Rapes by Hindu Army and police
281 (23/ mo)

Property Damaged (number)
1604 (133/mo)

A month by month breakdown is available at following site:

http://www.jang-group.com/jang/index.html

I would request all people with live conscience who value human life, to forward this link and the figures to your human rights organization.

Thank you.

KRashid:

I was provoked by the ``expressed`` approach. I wanted to convey the message which was being looked down upon for its naïveté. Sometimes, we ignore the very simple, but poignant thoughts as they aren`t challenging to our mental faculties.

An example would be: The pure and authentic verse,
`Waris Shah, O! Sada Hee Jyoun`dae Nae Jinnaan Keetyaan Naik Kama`yaan`
[Waris Shah, they live forever who`ve done good deeds] is a very simply thought.
Probably, an idealistic one! Well, the more I think about it, the more I realize that I have the formula. I can go out and create the nuclear bomb to earn the best in this world. But, if I start rationalizing this sweet thought, I am letting it slide by. My ego, hot-headedness, pride, intellect, and rational approach, may actually, be the demons -- hampering my view than making me see the very obvious. Shouldn`t I try to detach all the above attributes from my persona? Not for all times to come, but just once in a while!

[For rejuvenation purposes]

:-)

Dear Chowkies: Today we have gone through a great tragedy with hundreds of innocent airline passengers dead and God knows how many lives lost on the ground. Here in the Washington DC area it was a beautiful sunny day. The clear sky has just a few clouds, but none of the contrails of passenger planes flying high up in the sky. A couple of Air Force planes (F-16s I think) flew by with a loud roar followed by a helicopter flying low. That was all. Let us all pray for those innocent lives that were lost. And this is a good time to contribute blood if we wish to do something to help. The donation centers have lines of people right now at least in the DC area, but you can donate blood tomorrow and still be satisfied that it will be used by someone suffering fellow human being.

re sadna,saminshah,shireen:

Thanks for your concern. I am fine. I hope the rest of Chowkies from NYC also check in. This is the saddest day of my life. I have so many friends(Pakistani,Indian, American, Russian) whose whereabouts are unknown.

Its time the US make the passage to the land of the houris and the ghulmans easier for those who want it. Presumption of innocence be damned.

later

-sac

Zahra #270

It is something you are going through or it was just a thought.

Whatever. May God help you.

Just a suggestion.

The order of helping someone is.

1- Yourself

2- Your family.

3- Your distant relatives.

4- Your friends.

5- Then the other you have mentioned.

Anyway when you help others, you are basically completing yourself.

Just a thought.

TAhmed #267

To which Animals you are talking to.

Who consider other humans as animals.

Anyway the data for rape, killing and death in custody for year 2000 is already available.

Methinks people are confusing Pankaj Mishra`s article in the New York Review of Books and Barry Bearak`s article in the New York Times (Sunday Magazine).

-Arun Gupta

zahra,

I just read your post in which you have praised my intellectual capabilities.... i am walking with a stiff neck :)

on a serious note.... i am learning.... and i know that i know very little compared to whats out there.

also, i have kept you advice in my mind.... you know the one i am talking about? well, we had a blue on that, but i realized later that you had a point...

Sameer: Post 248[I guess]

[You posted the following letter which represent the thinking of a large number of Pakistanis.]

Still waiting for the search engine that illuminates the human mind and takes a snapshot of everything inside.

[THE quake brought destruction to India and some parts of Pakistan. As a Muslim we should thank Allah for saving us. Here is a lesson to all the Muslims living in Pakistan that this powerful quake could have struck us. Allah saved us not because we are his favorites but because He wants us to be a good Muslims. AYAHS SIDDIQUI Houston, USA ]

1[It is nonsense to think natural calamities as a lesson from God for those who survive the disaster. ]2[They are bound to live their lives with a mixture of virtues and sins with a good possibility of more sinning than virtuosity.]3[This philosophy falls on its face when you consider death as as an end to further sinning.]
4[The people who survived, then, actually should be ashamed of themselves instead of thanking God, for surviving with the possibility of committing more sins.]

Nonsense?

Well, if you believe in the day of judgement, you ought to realize that your deeds[good or bad] in this world end as you die. In other words, you cannot commit further sinning and on the same hand you cannot perform any heavenly deeds any more. So, whatever has been in the books of the sweet little angels on the right and left shoulders -- that`s it!

Isn`t it?

Let`s go a step further:

Supposing, I am crook [a hard core], have been heavily involved in all the bad things, one could possibly imagine. The involvement was an intentional one. Just imagine a picture of a terrible crook[dreadful, despicable and detestable]. After hearing about this earthquake, I was shaken for a few minutes. So many people died. In what state? What will happen to their departed souls? Does anyone know? Despite my crookish side, something espoused few thoughts in my heart -- they could have done a lot more in their lives. They are gone! I am reminded of the mechanics of God. After this earthquake, my heart moved. I wanted to do something real nice for the fellow human beings -- why? Probably, the disaster shook me. The tragedy made me realize that life is too short. Anything can happen any time. I have never thought about such things before, as I was too involved in the world -- the wild... wild... world. So I think of a plan,after reviewing the current catastrophe and ask myself, what can I do? educate poor kids, help orphans; assist the craftsmen who are left with no resources to establish their businesses, give hope to the down-troddens and a lot more. My heart fills with joy to think about what I can do. The internal dialogue continues... Why didn`t it strike me earlier? Where`ve I been? Now, I have a different person within me.

But I don`t get enough time.

I die!

I believe in getting the reward for my good intentions, but I could not implement anything. [I could not perform the good deeds that I had so joyfully planned, as part of my transformation]

I am dead!
Gone!
Oh, my soul repents the time wasted!
Oh, my heart pleads to be able to go back to the real world to do what I could have done!
Time is gone! I let it pass!
I was accountable for my deeds, and I forgot that during my life.

This is what the woman`s letter said. We are accountable for our lives. It`s not to be taken for granted - we aren`t shutar bae` muhaar!

[This philosophy falls on its face when you consider death as as an end to further sinning?]

Or an end to performing further good deeds. Why do you skip that part? Or are you taking that for granted? The living ones aren`t indulging in sinful acts only, there is the other side to it as well.

- Good/Bad
- Right/Wrong
- Darkness/Light
- Crook/Saint
- Despicable/Likeable
- Black/White
- Day/Night
continues.....

[The people who survived, then, actually should be ashamed of themselves instead of thanking God, for surviving with the possibility of committing more sins.]

I am simply disgusted to read the above!

[The fact is quite contrary. ]

There ain`t any fact here! You are writing based on your own assumptions[or theories] than trying to contemplate what the other person may be saying.

[We try our best to live and continue the experience of being alive. The goal should be to live and live a better life. This lesson does not come from natural disasters but from the standards of quality of living. ]

Now, that is an approach! Yes, but the word ``better`` is a relative term. Going back to my previous example, `better` to me meant something very different. Sometimes, the lesson comes from natural disasters. Not everyone is born and bred with the concept of leading a better life with a positive and humanitarian approach. Unless you do not fall, you do not realize what it means to rise. Unless you do not die or see death, you`ll have very little comprehension of life. These are possibilities and not true for all and sundry. So, let`s not rule them out! Remember, I repented after my death - I was too busy in the world during my life.

So the lesson CAN come from natural disasters as well! You cannot formulate any hard and fast rules based on theories.

Simple!

Asif Naqshbandi various posts

Dear Asif,

I find your statements re the issue of Frontier Post as well as your general comments re the issue of blasphemy rather rash and irresponsible. I urge you not to publicise your own position on these matters as representative of all Muslims. Also, please refrain from spreading hatred, sectarianism, and disharmony amongst Muslims. Mohammad (PBUH) never resorted to violence and hate mongering when people hurled garbage (verbal or otherwise) at him (personally). He remained calm and treated his enemies with kindness. He repeatedly urged his followers to not kill anybody (even during war) who begs for mercy...please reflect a moment on Mohammad`s behaviour after the fall of Mecca.... In case of frontier post, the management and staff of the newspaper has asked for forgiveness and mercy... what gives you the right to decleare that they should be killed?

Naqshbandi, when you choose to speak for Muslims, you must show a little more responsibility, due diligence, and care while commenting of sensitive issues. Unfortunately, you are reinforcing the bad image of Muslims as propagated by western media. I am disappointed to say the least.

Latif Chappu #258 I tell it as I see it. Some people choose to benefit from criticism (no pain, no gain), and benefit from it by receiving it with an open mind and changing behavior where they believe the criticism is in fact justified. Ohers reject all criticism, and see it as something to be countered somehow or ignored. The choice is yours. As for your respect for my own person - my person is of no consequence, and if my criticism causes you to lose respect for me, then so be it. All I can say is that I wish you no ill, as I have never wished ill on any person whose posts I have criticized. (I do seem to be having to do too much of that lately...maybe it is time to take a break).

egalitarian brahman #262 I am not sure why you ask me to provide proof of the behavior of the Indian Army in Kashmir, since I never raised this subject and never made any claims that I need to backup with proof. Since you bring up the question of the behavior of the Indian Army in Kashmir, though...Let me ask: I believe that Amnesty International has repeatedly accused the Indian Army of human rights violations in Kashmir. But even better - I think you yourself are the best witness: Do you think that not a single woman was raped in Kashmir by the Indian Army, or a single non-partipant killed in cold blood? I do not wish to engage in accusations and counteraccusations - two wrongs make two wrongs, not one right. I believe my first obligation is to fight those who use the name of my religion or my country to do evil things. I believe you have the same obligation, even though your religion and country are different. So I will not go any further in this matter.

Latif Chappu re:264

{Of course all the Indian readers who wear as colored glasses as you do would have read that article and come up with the exact opposite impression!}

Well, if it was this article

http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWarchdisplay.cgi?20000921036F

then I think that would require quite a bit of mental gymnastics. I don`t think my glasses are any more coloured than yours are, maybe even less coloured (`course, others, like Sadna, have accused me of being a Lashkar supporter.. go figure). Of course, pretty much everyone here (myself included) often comes to feel that they are the only `balanced` people around, everyone else being biased.

Latif Chappu #264:

I read pure Gujarati after a very long time. You write well, whether its English or Gujarati.

Satyavadi

Re: Assad_K

You said: Was it the same NYT article that pointed put that all evidence pointed towards Indian Intelligence of carrying out the massacre of the Sikhs?

If this wasn`t sad it would be downright funny! Here I am pointing out the `parallel realities` across the border. Here I am quoting an article in the NYT that makes this point in pretty much every one of its 100 paragraphs.

The whole essence of the article was how everyone in India is convinced that the Pakis did it and how everyone in Pak is convinced that the Indians did. And here you are proving the author`s point so poignantly by claiming that the article said `all evidence pointed towards Indian Intelligence`.

Of course all the Indian readers who wear as colored glasses as you do would have read that article and come up with the exact opposite impression!

I now officially give up!

Re: egalitarian_brahmin

You said: However your reaction to Latif`s ignoble tries to hijack and embroil this catastrophe in political issues was commendable.

Maybe all this stress from the earthquake has made you loose it a little bit! I am not trying to hijack any board. The hijacking of this entire fu_kin website has been a done deal for quite a while.

It`s now so bad that anyone`s attempt to talk about the basic issues of this conflict is met by accusations of being a rightist, leftist, terrorist, propagandist etc. and of course the best of all `Hindu`!

Hoo kai hijack-bijack karvaa maaN nathi maanto baapu.... maara ane maari patni na sagaa-sabandhi aaj ni tareekh maan Amdavad maan gabhrai ne betha chhe! All you seem to assume that just because I am talking about a very important aspect (the most obviously germane to this forum) surrounding this mishap, I have suffered no losses and therefor can afford to be callous.

Maari oopar daya darshavvani koi jaroorat nathi..... pan mari oopar khota aakshepo to nahi thopo!

Hmm...there are two ways to look at this article.

It is an interesting and original attempt at relating a branch of software programming to everyday life. If the author is not a programmer, but a writer, then it is quite impressive.

The second way to look at it is as a purist software architect and/or programmer. Under this light, it actually contains some errors; many of which have been highlighted by other repliers. If the author is a programmer, then the technical details should have been more accurate.

The original motivations behind OO programming (starting from Simula67 and its discrete event simulation model) were its ability to map software programming more to real life than its predecessor, i.e. procedural programming. So in terms of programming, OO, though not ideal, is actually an attempt to mapping real-life to programming styles. Exactly the opposite of the author`s argument.

``Let’s take overloading. You have different behavior for same method depending upon who is asking.``

Once again, an original comparison; however technically incorrect (if I have not gotten too old and can remember correctly from my programming days :)). In overloading, there will be different methods, with the same name, but with different number, type and order of parameters (perhaps you are getting it partially mixed with overriding). The behavior will thus not be dependent on who is asking, but how (which signature of the method is being used) it is being asked for.